WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36 - Page 3

RendeR · 07-16-2007, 09:58 PM

SWAGGS! Dude, we thought...phew, good to have you back man!

Telle · 07-16-2007, 10:02 PM

Finally got my PM.. and luckily I'm human for my first game so I hopefully won't get too confused!

Telle · 07-16-2007, 10:05 PM

And where did this Swaggs person come from?!??

tanglewood · 07-16-2007, 10:15 PM

Okay all PMs are out. (Or at least should be, inform me if you haven't recieved one).

And there is a good reason for the non-role reveal in this game. Firstly, without it the game would be too far unbalanced in favour of the humans. Secondly, it's Blade Runner, the mystery and doubt is part of the theme.

DAY ONE VOTE DEADLINE - 9PM EST

st.cronin · 07-16-2007, 10:19 PM

Oh I understand its a balance issue tangle. If I were a wolf I'd be ecstatic.

Alan T · 07-16-2007, 10:21 PM

I also would like to say that Tanglewood almost described my ex-wife perfectly in my role PM.

RendeR · 07-16-2007, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I also would like to say that Tanglewood almost described my ex-wife perfectly in my role PM.

OK, I'm gonna jump right in, Alan tipped his hand here giving me to believe that his EX-wife was NOT human (as all ex-wifes are known to be inhuman lifesucking world destroyers) I will:

VOTE ALAN T

He is Obviously a Replicant.

Barkeep49 · 07-16-2007, 10:36 PM

Render's that's some grade A insight and analysis. That was what I was talking about a couple games back.

st.cronin · 07-16-2007, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Deckard is an grizzled Blade Runner who can administer Voight-Kampff tests, the only way to 100% differentiate between humans and replicants. He can also violently terminate other players.

Holden is a young, inexperienced Blade Runner. He is trained in the Voight-Kampff tests but is not as handy with a pistol as Deckard.

Gaff is a member of the police department who can watch over players and guide them away from replicant attempts on their life.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell is the head of Tyrell Corp., the massive company that manufactures replicants. Batty believes that he can help deactivate the killswitch.

J.F. Sebastian is the cheif designer at Tyrell Corp., another individual Batty believes can help the replicants in their cause.

So ...

Deckard and Holden - seer/assasin types

Gaff - bodybuard

Tyrell and Sebastian are human, right? But in game terms they appear to be useful to the replicants. I'm not sure I understand how they work in the game.

Lathum · 07-16-2007, 10:52 PM

human checking in

Alan T · 07-16-2007, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

OK, I'm gonna jump right in, Alan tipped his hand here giving me to believe that his EX-wife was NOT human (as all ex-wifes are known to be inhuman lifesucking world destroyers) I will:

VOTE ALAN T

He is Obviously a Replicant.

In fact, the girl described in my PM seemed to be very obviously not human. Sounds like a good plan. I obviously am evil. So everyone come out and vote me. Its just the strategy I would use.

twothree · 07-16-2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Okay all PMs are out. (Or at least should be, inform me if you haven't recieved one).

PM received.

Swaggs · 07-16-2007, 11:24 PM

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

bulletsponge · 07-16-2007, 11:24 PM

wolf checking in *starts licking himself*

Alan T · 07-16-2007, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

Nope, not me at all. Mine was about some hot girl that turned into a spider. I have no clue what it means.

st.cronin · 07-16-2007, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it.

Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself?

I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories.

I had nothing like that at all.

st.cronin · 07-16-2007, 11:39 PM

Vote RendeR

This is a vengeance vote, for killing me night 2 last game. I'm interested in exploring the Swaggs-ardent thing, but not with a day 1 vote, not when roles don't get revealed.

LoneStarGirl · 07-16-2007, 11:53 PM

I got my pm and mine said that I got a bike!

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Vote RendeR

This is a vengeance vote, for killing me night 2 last game. I'm interested in exploring the Swaggs-ardent thing, but not with a day 1 vote, not when roles don't get revealed.

Wait, I didn't kill you, you were strangled weren't you? That was Ardent's doing.

I am the Disemboweler.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 12:30 AM

Well, at any rate I'm avoiding ardent for today. I'd like to give the blade runners a chance to clear him and/or swaggs. But I wanted to vote for one of the wolves from the last game.

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 12:31 AM

Well thats just silly, Why rub our proverbial noses in it? YOU WON =)

Sounds like sour grapes to me, and no-one knows sour grapes better than a replicant, since they only get to live 4 yearsthey're about as soured on life as you get.

Someone vote St. Cronin, QUICK!

He's obviously a replicant.

DaddyTorgo · 07-17-2007, 12:39 AM

got my PM. need to read the rules/setup info.

DaddyTorgo · 07-17-2007, 12:45 AM

ok. i'm a human being.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ok. i'm a human being.

You needed to read the rules to figure that out?

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You needed to read the rules to figure that out?

The rules did say the one replicant wasn't all that bright, I'd say this is hard evidence that:

DADDYTORGO IS A REPLICANT!!

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 12:52 AM

So there you have it, St Cronin, DaddyTorgo and Alan T are the replicants.

Do I win?

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

So there you have it, St Cronin, DaddyTorgo and Alan T are the replicants.

Do I win?

You're no LoneStarGirl.

ntndeacon · 07-17-2007, 12:55 AM

I have recieved my pm and am human.

path12 · 07-17-2007, 12:58 AM

Human checking in. I thought we were starting tomorrow. I need to read the rules......damn Trukz.

Lathum · 07-17-2007, 12:59 AM

VOTE HOOPSGUY

as promised

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 01:14 AM

Didn't you people read ANYTHING I said??

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You're no LoneStarGirl.

Well duh, she's a hot female with red hair and apparently a non-red-neck, I'm a 30-something fat white guy....no contest, she kicks my ass =)

Chief Rum · 07-17-2007, 01:50 AM

Got my PM, and I'm a human. I'll have to review the rule set when I get the chance. I'm checking in and out for right now, though, as I have to get to bed. I work both jobs tomorrow, but my second job starts particularly late, so I will have time to check in before deadline. Good luck, everyone.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-17-2007, 06:19 AM

Human here. I'm also interested in this AE/Swaggs tennis thing, so I won't be voting for either of them (yet). And since I have to vote for someone:

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Why do you need to read the rules to see that you're a human?

[ooc]Today and tomorrow I work from 6:00 AM to 5 central and then I go to the gym, so I won't be around all day (FOFC is blocked at work). I hope to be on before the deadline, but I don't know for sure.[/ooc]

KWhit · 07-17-2007, 08:38 AM

Normal human checking in.

KWhit · 07-17-2007, 08:47 AM

So Deckard and Holden can tell who is a Replicant and who isn't. Due to the strange nature of their similar dreams, I suggest that they scan Swaggs and Ardent today (or tonight - not sure if it's a day action or night action).

And just to avoid the possibility of them both scanning the same guy, I'll through out this proposal:

Deckard scans Swaggs.
Holden scans Ardent.

I know it's early, but I wanted to through this out for discussion at least. It's something tangible to start with, which is extremely rare for day one.

I also think it speaks well of Swaggs' human-ness that he came out and mentioned the dream similarity. If he was a replicant (and knew that he was), I seriously doubt he would have brought that to our attention.

Telle · 07-17-2007, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You needed to read the rules to figure that out?

I'm going to guess that he has one of the special roles and needed to find out if he should/could reveal that.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 09:32 AM

It's interesting since there is a replicant who can scan people. To me that only increases the odds that DT is a bad guy. Last time he seemed to slip up on Day 1 we let him go. I don't want to make that mistake again.

Vote DT

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 09:33 AM

Also I am going to assume that there is a role out there who finds out if people sent to Mars are good or not. If so I would hope that role would take pains to ensure that if they are at risk of being lynched/killed that they give their info away. Frankly it seems that without that sort of info we'll be going at this game rather blindly.

Telle · 07-17-2007, 09:35 AM

I'm not understanding your logic, Barkeep. What makes you think that DT would be the replicant who can scan people?

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

So Deckard and Holden can tell who is a Replicant and who isn't. Due to the strange nature of their similar dreams, I suggest that they scan Swaggs and Ardent today (or tonight - not sure if it's a day action or night action).

And just to avoid the possibility of them both scanning the same guy, I'll through out this proposal:

Holden scans Swaggs.
Deckard scans Ardent.

I know it's early, but I wanted to through this out for discussion at least. It's something tangible to start with, which is extremely rare for day one.

I also think it speaks well of Swaggs' human-ness that he came out and mentioned the dream similarity. If he was a replicant (and knew that he was), I seriously doubt he would have brought that to our attention.

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Also I am going to assume that there is a role out there who finds out if people sent to Mars are good or not. If so I would hope that role would take pains to ensure that if they are at risk of being lynched/killed that they give their info away. Frankly it seems that without that sort of info we'll be going at this game rather blindly.

If you are killed, your role is revealed, so we will be able to go through your posts and possibly figure out what you knew. So my suggestion is to reveal if you are likely to be lynched, but not if you think you are likely to be killed.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

That would be in keeping with the movie, I believe though I haven't read the book.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

I'm not understanding your logic, Barkeep. What makes you think that DT would be the replicant who can scan people?

Since his message could have referred to scanning people (a seer role) something that is good, but also killing people (something that is bad). Only when reading the roles and seeing that there was a replicant who could do both did he realize he was good. I'm leaning to this over the Decker explanation since being Decker would make it obvious that you were a good guy. I am, however, willing to entertain that explanation and move my vote.

Telle · 07-17-2007, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Since his message could have referred to scanning people (a seer role) something that is good, but also killing people (something that is bad). Only when reading the roles and seeing that there was a replicant who could do both did he realize he was good. I'm leaning to this over the Decker explanation since being Decker would make it obvious that you were a good guy. I am, however, willing to entertain that explanation and move my vote.

But what if he's Tyrell or Sebastian? He'd know that he was human but without reading the rules wouldn't know if he should mention his name. I'm thinking that it wasn't that he didn't know if he was human or a replicant, but just wasn't sure how much info to give when he said he was human until he read the rules.

Passacaglia · 07-17-2007, 10:05 AM

Human checking in. I just woke up after having some crazy dream about New York City.

KWhit · 07-17-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

I think it's possible. At this point, I'm not ruling out anything.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

But what if he's Tyrell or Sebastian? He'd know that he was human but without reading the rules wouldn't know if he should mention his name. I'm thinking that it wasn't that he didn't know if he was human or a replicant, but just wasn't sure how much info to give when he said he was human until he read the rules.

And in the Willy Wonka game he seemed to just carelessly use a pronoun. Later in the game he also posted where he all but admitted he was a wolf. I think DT slips up as a wolf and I see that post as a slip and want to take advantage of it.

Swaggs · 07-17-2007, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Do you think its possible for a replicant to not know he's a replicant?

I think it is a possibility and something to consider.

Someone who read the book or saw the movie more recently will probably remember better, but if I recall correctly, Deckard's love interest is a replicant that does not realize she is not human because she has been given someone else's memories.

There is also the insinuation that Deckard could, himself, be a replicant. But that is kind of left open to interpretation.

Telle · 07-17-2007, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

And in the Willy Wonka game he seemed to just carelessly use a pronoun. Later in the game he also posted where he all but admitted he was a wolf. I think DT slips up as a wolf and I see that post as a slip and want to take advantage of it.

Or.. you're a replicant and trying to throw us off your trail by coming out strong, and in the process get a human sent off to Mars (and a potentially valuable human at that).

07-16-2007, 09:58 PM	#101
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	SWAGGS! Dude, we thought...phew, good to have you back man! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-16-2007, 10:15 PM	#104
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Okay all PMs are out. (Or at least should be, inform me if you haven't recieved one). And there is a good reason for the non-role reveal in this game. Firstly, without it the game would be too far unbalanced in favour of the humans. Secondly, it's Blade Runner, the mystery and doubt is part of the theme. DAY ONE VOTE DEADLINE - 9PM EST Last edited by tanglewood : 07-16-2007 at 10:17 PM.

07-16-2007, 10:19 PM	#105
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Oh I understand its a balance issue tangle. If I were a wolf I'd be ecstatic. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-16-2007, 11:24 PM	#113
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I may as well bring this up now, rather than sit on it. Did anyone else get a message that included future tennis stardom, besides Ardent and myself? I was explicitly told in my PM that I am a human, so I think it is strange for another human to have the same (presumably) memories that I do. Replicants are programmed to have "memories" in the book, so I'm thinking that either Ardent is a replicant or there could be something funky with us having similar (possibly the same) childhood memories. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-16-2007, 11:39 PM	#117
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Vote RendeR This is a vengeance vote, for killing me night 2 last game. I'm interested in exploring the Swaggs-ardent thing, but not with a day 1 vote, not when roles don't get revealed. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-16-2007, 10:02 PM	#102
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Finally got my PM.. and luckily I'm human for my first game so I hopefully won't get too confused!

07-16-2007, 10:05 PM	#103
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	And where did this Swaggs person come from?!??

07-16-2007, 10:21 PM	#106
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I also would like to say that Tanglewood almost described my ex-wife perfectly in my role PM.

07-16-2007, 10:36 PM	#108
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Render's that's some grade A insight and analysis. That was what I was talking about a couple games back.

07-16-2007, 10:52 PM	#110
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	human checking in

07-16-2007, 11:24 PM	#114
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	wolf checking in starts licking himself

07-16-2007, 11:53 PM	#118
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I got my pm and mine said that I got a bike!

07-17-2007, 12:30 AM	#120
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Well, at any rate I'm avoiding ardent for today. I'd like to give the blade runners a chance to clear him and/or swaggs. But I wanted to vote for one of the wolves from the last game. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 12:31 AM	#121
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well thats just silly, Why rub our proverbial noses in it? YOU WON =) Sounds like sour grapes to me, and no-one knows sour grapes better than a replicant, since they only get to live 4 yearsthey're about as soured on life as you get. Someone vote St. Cronin, QUICK! He's obviously a replicant. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-17-2007, 12:39 AM	#122
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	got my PM. need to read the rules/setup info.

07-17-2007, 12:45 AM	#123
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ok. i'm a human being.

07-17-2007, 12:52 AM	#126
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	So there you have it, St Cronin, DaddyTorgo and Alan T are the replicants. Do I win? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-17-2007, 12:55 AM	#128
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I have recieved my pm and am human.

07-17-2007, 12:58 AM	#129
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Human checking in. I thought we were starting tomorrow. I need to read the rules......damn Trukz. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2007, 12:59 AM	#130
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	VOTE HOOPSGUY as promised

07-17-2007, 01:14 AM	#131
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Didn't you people read ANYTHING I said?? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-17-2007, 01:50 AM	#133
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Got my PM, and I'm a human. I'll have to review the rule set when I get the chance. I'm checking in and out for right now, though, as I have to get to bed. I work both jobs tomorrow, but my second job starts particularly late, so I will have time to check in before deadline. Good luck, everyone.

07-17-2007, 06:19 AM	#134
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Human here. I'm also interested in this AE/Swaggs tennis thing, so I won't be voting for either of them (yet). And since I have to vote for someone: VOTE DADDYTORGO Why do you need to read the rules to see that you're a human? [ooc]Today and tomorrow I work from 6:00 AM to 5 central and then I go to the gym, so I won't be around all day (FOFC is blocked at work). I hope to be on before the deadline, but I don't know for sure.[/ooc]

07-17-2007, 08:38 AM	#135
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Normal human checking in.

07-17-2007, 08:47 AM	#136
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	So Deckard and Holden can tell who is a Replicant and who isn't. Due to the strange nature of their similar dreams, I suggest that they scan Swaggs and Ardent today (or tonight - not sure if it's a day action or night action). And just to avoid the possibility of them both scanning the same guy, I'll through out this proposal: Deckard scans Swaggs. Holden scans Ardent. I know it's early, but I wanted to through this out for discussion at least. It's something tangible to start with, which is extremely rare for day one. I also think it speaks well of Swaggs' human-ness that he came out and mentioned the dream similarity. If he was a replicant (and knew that he was), I seriously doubt he would have brought that to our attention.

07-17-2007, 09:32 AM	#138
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	It's interesting since there is a replicant who can scan people. To me that only increases the odds that DT is a bad guy. Last time he seemed to slip up on Day 1 we let him go. I don't want to make that mistake again. Vote DT

07-17-2007, 09:33 AM	#139
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Also I am going to assume that there is a role out there who finds out if people sent to Mars are good or not. If so I would hope that role would take pains to ensure that if they are at risk of being lynched/killed that they give their info away. Frankly it seems that without that sort of info we'll be going at this game rather blindly.

07-17-2007, 09:35 AM	#140
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	I'm not understanding your logic, Barkeep. What makes you think that DT would be the replicant who can scan people?

07-17-2007, 10:05 AM	#146
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Human checking in. I just woke up after having some crazy dream about New York City.

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