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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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Oh, ok. Guess I'll do something else that day, then. |
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12-03-2006, 05:43 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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Just briefly glanced at that page, but I noticed an obvious mistake - it has Miami and Boise State switched. |
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12-03-2006, 05:44 PM
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: St. Paul, MN
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Amen. Michigan had their shot, and they failed. |
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12-03-2006, 05:44 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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No it doesnt
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12-03-2006, 05:47 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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No, it does. It says Miami is playing in the MPC Bowl, and has Boise State playing in the Fiesta Bowl. Really, how could they get wrong? |
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12-03-2006, 05:52 PM
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Solecismic Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
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Points for Michigan: All 11 of their wins were convincing (even Ball State, which they led, 31-12 before Carr put in the second string). Florida needed to block two kicks against South Carolina, five other wins by 10 or less. Their only loss was their closest game, on road to consensus #1 team. They had a slightly better average opponent and strength of schedule (13th according to Sagarin, compared to 19th for Florida). They had a much tougher out-of-conference schedule. They were ranked #2 by the same system going in, it's very rare for a team to drop at this stage without losing. They didn't have advantage of a bye week during the season. Florida was not unusually impressive against a relatively poor conference championship opponent. Points for Florida: While their overall schedule was slightly weaker (playing the #212 team in the country is a little weird), the top of their schedule was tougher, they played more bowl teams. Ohio State already beat Michigan. Michigan isn't even a conference champion. I think if you're looking for the better team, you pick the rematch on neutral turf. If you're playing politics, you give Florida its turn. Since the BCS rules only mention avoiding rematches in the minor BCS games, I'd give the vote to Michigan. |
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12-03-2006, 05:55 PM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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12-03-2006, 05:57 PM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2003
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The stated goal of the BCS is to get the best 2 teams there - if that's the case, it has to be Michigan. Selecting Florida is only based on "they had their shot" logic does not fit in with the stated goal.
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12-03-2006, 05:57 PM
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High School JV
Join Date: Sep 2006
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picking florida because michigan "already had its chance" is like choosing han solo to battle darth vader because luke "already had his chance" and got his hand cut off. just let michigan get a cybernetic hand for their defense, and run it again. no one else has a chance.
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12-03-2006, 06:08 PM
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College Starter
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Federal Way, WA
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The problem is that isn't THE stated goal, the goal shifts between that and the most deserving team(best season). The BCS would work a whole lot better if we could reach a general agreement about what it was truly working towards when records are equal, best team or best season. But alas, that debate to finally have that debate once and for all never happens. |
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12-03-2006, 06:08 PM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tulsa
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Glad to help. |
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12-03-2006, 06:12 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Minneapolis
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The goal is to match the two top rated teams in the BCS championship, not the best 2. |
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12-03-2006, 06:20 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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If this was true, we wouldn't automatically eliminate 2 and 3 loss teams from consideration. A team that had a couple of early season losses and then improved isn't necessarily "worse" than a team that didn't. |
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12-03-2006, 06:22 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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You raise what should be a salient point. It gets overlooked a lot I think, but it's a pretty doggoned important distinction.
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12-03-2006, 06:25 PM
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High School JV
Join Date: Sep 2006
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wait, now people are saying the rankings aren't supposed to reflect how good a team is? awesome. some of you must work for the BCS.
why don't we just have a lottery drawing? the power conferences could get more ping-pong balls in the hopper, and the drawing could be held on pay-per-view... |
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12-03-2006, 06:26 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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Isn't this what Auburn fans last year said of the Badgers.. they'll get throttled. I'd suggest you watch the game and find out for yourself how good either team is.
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12-03-2006, 06:30 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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I think these terms of "best team" and "best season" mean different things to different people, and thus the distinction may be meaningless. But the way I see it, "best team" (i.e. talent), can be determined before the season even starts. If a team is absolutely the most talented team in the country, but they blow 3 early games because of bad coaching or a stupid interception, we don't want them in the championship game even if they're clearly the "best team". Instead, we want the team, that, regardless of talent, had the most successful season in terms of Wins and Losses, and quality of competition - that's what the BCS measures. The BCS doesn't independently care about talent level - it's clearly not a "best team" analysis - it only cares about results. Last edited by molson : 12-03-2006 at 06:31 PM. |
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12-03-2006, 06:37 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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Don't you know, the SEC is far and away the best conference in the country. Didn't you see Georgia demolish WVU last year? Or the way Arkansas handled USC earlier this year? |
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12-03-2006, 06:49 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Wow. Florida received one 1st place vote in the Harris Poll. This thing is messed up.
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12-03-2006, 06:59 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Conyers GA
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Ouch. Somebody's stuffing the ballot box. |
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12-03-2006, 07:00 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
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The computer rankings do this. The human polls are the ones based on whichever team the media is pushing that week. Last edited by Atocep : 12-03-2006 at 07:01 PM. |
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12-03-2006, 07:00 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Minneapolis
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That's it?!?!?! Wow. |
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12-03-2006, 07:05 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I hate Fox trying to drag this thing out as long as possible.
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12-03-2006, 07:07 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle
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I agree. Years back, ABC/ESPN's show lasted about 15 minutes as they just announced them one after the other.
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12-03-2006, 07:07 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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I demand a recount. |
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12-03-2006, 07:09 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Here's your culprit. http://www.pollg.com/g/w27236/w27236...tm?who=jwalden I think he was a coach at Washington - no connection to Florida that I can see. Pretty interesting list of voters. There's a spreadsheet on that site that shows each voter's votes. Boise St's ranking varies between #2 and #15. Last edited by molson : 12-03-2006 at 07:10 PM. |
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12-03-2006, 07:10 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Apr 2005
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I never understood this argument. This doesn't mean anything to me. I want the teams that proven themselves to be the best two this year. If it was Florida against Florida State, I wouldn't care. The problem steams as to who had the second best season. |
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12-03-2006, 07:10 PM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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In this day and age, why dragging stuff out works amazes me. I can either sit there and quickly flip to ESPNews or look at my Blackberry to find out what they want me to pay their advertisers to sit through and miss the beginning of the Broncos game. Why would I do that? WHY??
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12-03-2006, 07:10 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Florida is in.
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12-03-2006, 07:13 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Here's the final Harris poll, with voting breakdown, if anyone is interested.
Bert Emanuel had Rice in his top 25 - isn't he an alum? http://www.harrisinteractive.com/new...Dec_3_2006.pdf |
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12-03-2006, 07:15 PM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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Who is Jim Walden?
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12-03-2006, 07:16 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Apr 2005
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So it looks like the coaches poll determined it.
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12-03-2006, 07:20 PM
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College Prospect
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Both the human polls were the difference, the computers were even.
ND - LSU is going to be ugly. |
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12-03-2006, 07:21 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Wikipedia says he coached Washington and Iowa St. Also, it has this entry, just added: "Somehow, this idiot thought it was a good idea to vote a 1 loss Florida team over an undefeated Ohio State team in an attempt to get Flordia into the national championship game. The old Southern coot got his wish, as he screwed over Michigan....Walden spent his golden years blaming the Wolverines for ruining Ryan Leaf, and was able to exact his revenge via pen, shortly before becoming a full time milkshake..." Of course, 1 vote in Harris Poll didn't make a difference, but it's pretty funny to see is Wikipedia entry vandalized so quickly. Last edited by molson : 12-03-2006 at 07:21 PM. |
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12-03-2006, 07:21 PM
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Hockey Boy
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Royal Oak, MI
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Yes. Almost as ugly as the National Championship game.
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12-03-2006, 07:22 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
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I'm actually intrigued by all these games, except possibly Wake Forest vs. Louisville. I think this is a good outcome.
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12-03-2006, 07:24 PM
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High School JV
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: GA
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also amazing how quickly it was corrected. |
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12-03-2006, 07:24 PM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Thanks! Pretty interesting. There is no way to justify that vote. I don't think you should penalize a team for not playing, frankly, but to vote a team over 2 others, one undefeated, tells me that person deserves to lose the right to vote. Assinine.
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12-03-2006, 07:25 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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So, does this put a lot pressure on Florida, if Michigan wins the Rose Bowl?
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12-03-2006, 07:29 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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No I think the pressure of winning the national championship will be enough.
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12-03-2006, 07:29 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Well, Florida will be the "BCS Champion" if they beat Ohio St, but I'm sure Michigan will get it's share of #1 votes in the AP Poll if both they and Florida win. |
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12-03-2006, 07:33 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Apr 2005
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I should of phrase my question better. Does it put pressure on the BCS mess through Florida's performance against Ohio State? |
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12-03-2006, 07:34 PM
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H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Bowie, MD
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I kind of agree with Jim hear. Honestly, I don't know which team I want to see play Ohio State but for Michigan to get jumped over by 2 teams at the end of the season without even playing seems very odd. Hell, there was no point of them even being #2. Number #4 beating #9 caused them to jump ahead of the #2 ranked team seems jacked up. I love the SEC but having the championship game seems to really help them. Based on the arguments of Florida's stenght of schedule I would have expected them to be ranked ahead of Michigan in the first place. It shouldn't taken the last game of the season for voters to NOW determine that Florida is #2 with Michigan sitting on the bench. |
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12-03-2006, 07:37 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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OSU 35 Florida 14
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12-03-2006, 07:38 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Bowie, MD
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What do people think we would be looking at if Michigan had beat Ohio State. Just curious.
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12-03-2006, 07:39 PM
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12-03-2006, 07:39 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Looking at Florida's schedule (including a 1-AA team) and play against South Carolina, Vandy, Tennessee in tha wild game, Georgia, Florida State, is it really better? 09/02 So Miss W 34-7 09/09 C Florida W 42-0 09/16 at #13 Tennessee W 21-20 09/23 Kentucky W 26-7 09/30 Alabama W 28-13 10/07 #9 LSU W 23-10 10/14 at #11 Auburn L 27-17 10/28 at Georgia W 21-14 11/04 at Vanderbilt W 25-19 11/11 S Carolina W 17-16 11/18 W Carolina W 62-0 11/25 at Florida St W 21-14 12/02 #8 Arkansas W 38-28 I just don't see the argument that Florida had a better season. Michigan's slate: 09/02 Vanderbilt W 27-7 09/09 C Michigan W 41-17 09/16 at #2 N Dame W 47-21 09/23 Wisconsin W 27-13 09/30 at Minnesota W 28-14 10/07 Mich St W 31-13 10/14 at Penn State W 17-10 10/21 Iowa W 20-6 10/28 N'western W 17-3 11/04 Ball St W 34-26 11/11 at Indiana W 34-3 11/18 at #1 Ohio St L 42-39 Last edited by Galaxy : 12-03-2006 at 07:40 PM. |
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12-03-2006, 07:40 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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In the eyes of the public, probably. In the eyes of the BCS supporters, no. It is not the first time something like this has happened. In fact, I think it is more of a norm than the exception. If the Gators win, then the BCS picked the right team to win the championship. If the Buckeyes win, then the BCS will have picked the right team to win the championship.
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12-03-2006, 07:44 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Puyallup, WA
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Florida has a small lead over Michigan in the AP. I don't see how them beating the team that beat Michigan would get voters to push Michigan ahead. |
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12-03-2006, 07:45 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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Are the individual results of each voter in the coaches poll released?
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"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946 |
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