BTW I watched Monday War

[MikeVic]

Didn't Hogan use this speech when he turned heel first?

[TLK]

Screw it folks....

Meanie and the BWO on Thursday and then the Hardy "shoot" angle tonight.... I might have to start watching again.

[SirFozzie]

WWE writing team was inspired this past week.

Hogan vs Michaels is super strong, and progressing nicely
Hardy vs Edge? NUCLEAR Strong. and could get stronger if Hardy plays his cards right in RoH.
Cena vs Jericho: Not like the first two, but strong anyway.

No HHH, No Batista.. No Problem

[Suicane75]

I liked the show this week, the Hardy thing was reminiscent of some of the best angles ever, and they did prefectly.

Micheals killing Hogan and Piper is awesome.

Benjamin is carrying Carlito threw a nice program that is building well after a sloppy start.

The Luchadors on Smackdown.

Hell, im friggin pumped for CM Punks debut.

I havn't enjoyed the product this much in a long time, and hells yeah I liked the diva search thing tonight, eye candy and top notch UIC is hard to touch.

[SirFozzie]

That's another angle that's really hot. CM Punk in RoH/

[TLK]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

That's another angle that's really hot. CM Punk in RoH/

I plan on getting that DVD, when it's available. It sounds like they really worked the crowd well. Reminiscent of when the Dudleys won the tag belts on the night of their final ECW match.... strong booking for a medium promotion.

[jander]

Great job WWE, sure one of the few times I don't watch any of Raw and this happens. There is no way the WWE didn't know about this, there is no way someone would get into a ring like that and have anytime to do anything. I have seen it before and those people are jumped before they can do anything, and the cameras would have went away. I was really looking forward to Matt in TNA (to team up with Jeff again), but guess that won't be happening now.

In a way I don't blame Matt, hey you need to make a living, and the best living in wrestling is working for WWE. But, I fear after this fued he will just be another midcarder that they will job out to new wrestlers again, where if he was in TNA he could be main event all the way.

Maybe it is just a one fued deal with Matt to start with? Maybe a non-written contract, so he could still do other promotions (I doubt it, but he could probably have gotten about anything he wanted from Vince at this point).

Still upset that I missed it.

[Suicane75]

I just recently got alot of ROH vids and Punk and Joe both impress the hell out of me. It seems kind of weird how with the Punk angle, the screaming of ROH tonight, that maybe their may be a little cross promotion going on, although I cant for the life of me figure out why.

[SirFozzie]

WWE and RoH have an agreement dating back a few months. WWE doesn't mind, it gets them a foothold in the indys (along with OVW)

I think WWE got a really good one in CM Punk, but TNA might have gotten an even better one in Samoa Joe. (who debuted for them a few weeks ago)

[Suicane75]

I love Joes ringwork, but I think Punk may is alot more marketable for the E.

[duckman]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/ne...?news_id=12081

Matt Hardy returned to WWE on RAW last night in a "shoot" style segment. WWE designed the segment to come off as a shoot but it was entirely planned. Hardy shouted at Johnny "Ace" Laurinatis and also mentioned Ring of Honor during his post-brawl shouts after being tackled by security.

According to Ring of Honor, Hardy will still work his scheduled match against Christopher Daniels at their show on Saturday in Woodbridge, Connecticut.

Credit: PWInsider.com

[jbmagic]

what is a shoot?

[Suicane75]

A shoot is an unplanned thing happening. Something not part of the script. Like if a wrestler just decided to start talking about random shit instead of sticking to the script or if someone actually decides to kick someones ass in a match.

[TLK]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

what is a shoot?

not a shoot.... brother.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

A shoot is an unplanned thing happening. Something not part of the script. Like if a wrestler just decided to start talking about random shit instead of sticking to the script or if someone actually decides to kick someones ass in a match.

thanks

so that Bret hart and HBK screwjob was a shoot.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

thanks

so that Bret hart and HBK screwjob was a shoot.

Yup.

What happened tonight was whats called a "worked shoot" It's a regular angle designed to look like a shoot.

Brian Pillman was famous for them and really got himself over at the end of his WCW run, when, he actually turned a worked shoot into an actualy shoot.

You see, Kevin Sullivan wanted to do an angle where Pillman would be fired, Pillman would then run rampant all over WCW as a loner type guy. But Pillman, being a smart guy, convinced Sullivan to actualy sign papers voiding his contract so it would seem more legit, he then immediatlely left the company.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

thanks

so that Bret hart and HBK screwjob was a shoot.

Yes, Vince was afraid that Bret was going to take the title belt over to WCW. Bret had creative control for the final thirty days of his contract. He wanted to win the match and return the belt the very next night, but Vince had other ideas.

[TLK]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

so that Bret hart and HBK screwjob was a shoot.

work

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by TheLionKing

work

Dont confuse him,

[Neon_Chaos]

Matt Hardy baintains it was a shoot...

Matt Hardy posted the following message on his official message board at thematthardy.com following RAW last night.

If you guys are ready for a ride, jump the f*ck on. Well, I promised you all fireworks, so I hope I didn't disappoint. As of July 11th, 2005, my personal Independence Day, the Movement has begun-- and the Movement's purpose is two-fold. Purpose one--To never let anyone control what Matt Hardy says and does and thinks. Purpose two--To make Adam Copeland, Amy Dumas, and the WWE regret what they did to me, what they did to us. It's time for Matt Hardy to stand up for all the MFer's that have been chanting "We Want Matt", and "You Screwed Matt". Although you may not know this--you guys, the MFers, started the Movement months ago. I can now finally join the Movement because I am no longer controlled by the WWE. The McMahons, the Johnny Aces, and all of the WWE management can kiss my @$$. I did what I did tonight because for me to live with myself, Adam "Feces" Copeland must pay. I'm not going to let the WWE forget that they f*cked up when they released me instead of that scumbag home-wrecker. And Amy Dumas, you know what's it's like to have me as your closest ally--but you're gonna hate to see what it's like to have me as your worst enemy b*tch. Even though I didn't slash your tires FCF, slashed tires are going to be the least of your problems--Bank on it. A little message to the whore, the feces, and the horsesh*t "family" that is the WWE--Matt Hardy is like cancer, I don't go away and you won't find a cure. I thank EVERYONE that has supported me through thick and thin--I promise I will always be there for my MFers. I love you guys--and as I always say, without you, there is no me. I am going to turn a hugely negative situation into something that will benefit us. If you don't want to be able to predict what happens next, you're all in for a treat.

P.S. - If you're thinking about pressing charges Vince, I got a couple bucks, I'll fight it. Besides, I think I might have some pixs and video from a camera phone that shows your officers Rodney Kinging my @$$. My wrist is cut from the handcuffs, and I would suggest that there was a little unnecessary roughness involved in kicking me out of your building.

P.S.S. - And don't forget to catch Matt Hardy in action this Friday in Indiana, PA, this Saturday in Woodbridge, CT, and you never know where I'll show up on Sunday. And The Matt Hardy Show is so on...

Matt "F*cking" Hardy

From 411wrestling.com

Let's hope this doesn't backfire on all the sympathy that Hardy's been getting.

[Suicane75]

Im starting to think this has been a total work from the start.

[molson]

Another nice touch iis that WWE.COM's Raw Recap doesn't even mention the Hardy thing - basically playing it as if were an actual shoot, and not giving it any face time. It's just another example of the WWE's odd new philosophy over the last few weeks: like posting interviews with recently fired wrestlers, and reporting "exclusive" news from the Brock/Vince meetings. Clearly, the WWE is trying to develop a new kind of relationship with the Internet fans.

The Matt Hardy thing is beyond bizzare. He's been spending the last few months badmouthing Edge, Lita, and the WWE on his personal website, after being released for the company. No one has any idea when exactly this became a work: whether it was a work all along, or whether they're simply taking advantage of this new heat. It's just a very rare occurance of a "worked shoot" coming off very well.

[TLK]

oh my....

[Neon_Chaos]

I'd appreciate it if this was a work, and Hardy acknowledged that it was a work. By playing along and acting as if it were a shoot, then it's like a slap to every fan who's supported hardy from the get-go.

[jbmagic]

it was all setup by wwe.

they could of arrested Matt Hardy in the back when he attack edge.

and you notice Matt Hardy comes out once Kane leaves the arena.

[Neon_Chaos]

Anyway, I do LOVE the fact that the WWE is KAYFABE-ing the entire IWC!!! I can hardly believe it. Lol.

BRING ON THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!

Watching wrestling is going to be fun again!!! Hah!

[Neon_Chaos]

WOOOOORK!!!!

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Anyway, I do LOVE the fact that the WWE is KAYFABE-ing the entire IWC!!! I can hardly believe it. Lol.

BRING ON THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!

Watching wrestling is going to be fun again!!! Hah!

My sentiments exactly. Although I sometimes feel like the major sheet writers no whats going on but just don't report it, as for the lesser IWC contingent, they were played nicely.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I'd appreciate it if this was a work, and Hardy acknowledged that it was a work. By playing along and acting as if it were a shoot, then it's like a slap to every fan who's supported hardy from the get-go.

Ya, apparently the freaks at Matt Hardy's message boards are a little upset (I haven't looked myself - that place scares me). But, it was probably the "We Want Matt" chants that eventually turned this thing into a work - so they got what they wanted.

[Flasch186]

now, if they let this stew for a few months itll be great, if they schedule the EDge v. Matt match for the very next PPV so it can be concluded it'll be more WWE killing storylines too quick. Memo to Vince, let the fanes enjoy this for a while.

[Bearcat729]

Matt needs to lay off the cupcakes

[duckman]

For those interested in the Matt Hardy story:

hxxp://www.thematthardyshow.com

(NSFW due to language)

[TLK]

That's is great....

(from wrestlingobserver.com)

The WWE Smackdown show in Frederick, Md., began promptly at 7:30pm in the outdoor venue Harry Grove Stadium (home of the class A minor league baseball Frederick Keys).

Booker T beat Christian with the ax kick (Christian seemed to have lost some change in the ring as he bent over and scrutinized the canvas at length so Booker T could deliver the finisher). Then Sharmel encouraged Booker to do the spinarooni!

Then Teddy Long came out to review the purported card that was to include Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey MIsterio, MNM vs. H&H (Holly and Heidenreich or Horrible and Horribler - take your pick), and Batista vs. JBL.

Next match was Super Crazy and Psicosis over Nunzio and Big Vito. Vito looked like a monster with those three in the ring but his clotheslines were loving and delicate. Crazy pinned Nunzio with a Lionsault (Crazysault?).

Then in came The Boogeyman! He ranted some but at the rant's climax where he exclaimed "I am The Boogeyman!" a huge clap of thunder pealed and lightning flashed in the distance. And when he then yelled "And I am your worst nightmare!" the heavens opened up and it poured. He obliterated Doug Basham in about 15 seconds in the rain.

The real crime is that there were no TV cameras. There are probably few special effects masters who could have provided that eerie thunderstorm atmosphere and timed the thunder and lightning and rain so perfectly. The heck with the match, this guy had perhaps the greatest ring entrance ever! I don't think I'll ever be caught in a storm again without "I am The Boogeyman!" bouncing around in my head.

The hard rain created a delay, and persistent lightning forced the show to halt. It was announced that the event was "postponed". Fans were to "hold onto your ticket stubs for when we rebook a visit to Frederick, Md." (I think that's WWE for "so long suckers, but we won't tell you you only got a three-match show so we can get out of here without a fight").
Personally, for The Boogeyman's awesome entrance arrangement with Mother Nature, the abbreviated show was well worth it. The crowd of maybe 2200 may not agree.

Ross Burbage
Westminster, Md.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by TheLionKing

That's is great....

Can't wait for this guy.

[duckman]

WWE Statement Concerning Muhammad Hassan

Due to the unfortunate terrorist attacks in London on Thursday, July 7, which coincided with our pre-produced WWE SmackDown! program, UPN has asked us to be sensitive to the usage of the Arab-American character, Muhammad Hassan. We have agreed with UPN, and have not had the character on SmackDown! since that date. It is uncertain as to whether or not the WWE will continue with this character beyond this Sunday’s Pay-Per-View, The Great American Bash.

I guess they are dropping the Hassan character because all the bad press they've recieved over the past few weeks.

[MikeVic]

Not WWE related really, but TNA signed a deal with SpikeTV to air their iMPACT show on Saturday nights, starting in October.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Not WWE related really, but TNA signed a deal with SpikeTV to air their iMPACT show on Saturday nights, starting in October.

Who cares? Jeff Jarrett runs that circus of a wrestling promotion.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by duckman

Who cares? Jeff Jarrett runs that circus of a wrestling promotion.

One could always hope that Panda Energy would do the right thing and hire Cornete or Heyman to book the promotion. They have more than enough talent to compete. As the saying goes, Million dollar body, 2 cent brain.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

As the saying goes, Million dollar body, 2 cent brain.

Never heard anyone describe Jarrett like that before...

[DeToxRox]

Dave Meltzer is reporting that WWE will be dropping the Hassan character, and he will not be moving back to RAW

All over UPN demanding he be dropped from SD!

Hassan was an amazing charatcer with all sorts of heat. What a blow to the SD! brand

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Dave Meltzer is reporting that WWE will be dropping the Hassan character, and he will not be moving back to RAW

All over UPN demanding he be dropped from SD!

Hassan was an amazing charatcer with all sorts of heat. What a blow to the SD! brand

It was better the 1st time when he was the Iron Shiek

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Chubby

It was better the 1st time when he was the Iron Shiek

I'd agree. But Cena was a lot better when he was Steve Austin, and it hasn't stopped people from going nuts for him.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

I'd agree. But Cena was a lot better when he was Steve Austin, and it hasn't stopped people from going nuts for him.

While similar, I don't think they are carbon copies like Hassan/Shiek. Cena really pushes his stupid hip hop crap on people all the time. You'd NEVER see Austin bowing to Hogan or anyone like Cena did in the 3 way match a couple of weeks back. You always had the feeling Austin would stunner anyone at any time, I don't have that feeling with Cena... he's too much straight face.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Chubby

While similar, I don't think they are carbon copies like Hassan/Shiek. Cena really pushes his stupid hip hop crap on people all the time. You'd NEVER see Austin bowing to Hogan or anyone like Cena did in the 3 way match a couple of weeks back. You always had the feeling Austin would stunner anyone at any time, I don't have that feeling with Cena... he's too much straight face.

True. I know what you're saying regarding Shiek/Hassan, but I think a lot of it too is the newer fans that remember seeing Shiek in the mid 90's remember him as being kind of a joke, so Hassan is probably fresh to them.

That said, Shiek was cooler.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by Chubby

While similar, I don't think they are carbon copies like Hassan/Shiek. Cena really pushes his stupid hip hop crap on people all the time. You'd NEVER see Austin bowing to Hogan or anyone like Cena did in the 3 way match a couple of weeks back. You always had the feeling Austin would stunner anyone at any time, I don't have that feeling with Cena... he's too much straight face.

If WWE has been listening to me...they will make Cena the biggest baby face they possibly can and then when he flips it'll be huge. Remember the rule here, moderate babyface/moderate heel, when flipped, only receives an equivalent response...moderate.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

True. I know what you're saying regarding Shiek/Hassan, but I think a lot of it too is the newer fans that remember seeing Shiek in the mid 90's remember him as being kind of a joke, so Hassan is probably fresh to them.

That said, Shiek was cooler.

totally agree on both counts.

flasch - of course that "should" happen with Cena. That's where he's different than Austin. Austin WAS a heel character that was simply popular.

[DeToxRox]

i think the coolest thing the WWE could do is this .. though it could never happen.

Have Shawn Michaels win the WWE Title at Royal Rumble.

Then have the actual royal rumble. During the rumble, have a voice go over the PA insisting he's coming back to take whats rightfully his. Everyone is dumbfounded.

When #30 is announced, HBK's music hits and he comes out. He gets a spot near the ring because he wants to see who it could be. Then .. Bret the Hitman Harts music hits and everyone goes nuts. HBK looks on in horror. Hart comes out to the ring, where for the sake of it being even cooler, Benoit, Christian, Edge and maybe Shelton Benjamin are left. They all gang up and take out Benjamin. Then it's down to the four Canadians. Benoit and Hart team up and get out E + C. Benoit lets Hart take him out, and HBK goes nuts.

There you have it. Witch Vince wanting to induct The Hitman into the WWE Hall of Fame at WM, he can do it, but then have the biggest WM Main Event Ever.

HBK vs Bret Hart for the WWE Title.

Who wouldn't pay to see that?

Just bored, and got to thinking .. But man it'd rule.

[MikeVic]

I think Bret is too injured to wrestle well anymore? From that Goldberg kick...

[duckman]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I think Bret is too injured to wrestle well anymore? From that Goldberg kick...

He had a stroke a couple years ago, so his wrestling days are over. I would like to see him come back for a proper farewell because he just disappear after that accidental kick from Goldberg.

[Flasch186]

...status quo stiff move from a hack named Goldberg