My Oakland Raiders looking great in preseason.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by TroyF

My money would be on the Broncos. This is even if they look as bad as they did yesterday.

They didn't look all that bad. He looked terrible, but as a team it was not that bad.

The Raiders, on the other hand, sucked 46 deep.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Mustang

With the amount of personal tragedies that Favre has going on at any given time, I don't think the Raiders would want that.

A guy at my fantasy draft had a great joke when somebody took Favre:

"Well, his mom is still alive, so he's guaranteed at least one more good game."

[PadresFan104]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

boy Ahnold sounded like a moron last night too.

Arnold was clueless about the game.

Did you see Jaworski's expression after Arnold said something about Art Shell and the miracle that was occuring on the field??? Priceless!!!!

[Noble_Platypus]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

I hope you guys don't make any excuses when the Raiders play well this season.

I guess there is no need to start forming excuses yet.

By the way, were you having a good day or do the Raiders getting sodomized on MNF always bring out the best in you. You have spelled your words correctly and formed nearly complete sentances throughout this entire thread.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

A guy at my fantasy draft had a great joke when somebody took Favre:

"Well, his mom is still alive, so he's guaranteed at least one more good game."

Oof!

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by PadresFan104

Arnold was clueless about the game.

Did you see Jaworski's expression after Arnold said something about Art Shell and the miracle that was occuring on the field??? Priceless!!!!

Yep, I noticed that, too.

[JAG]

Hey, the Raiders may have lost the game, but their team unity is still strong. Check out the below article.

hxxp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2584133

Porter seen pumping fist, laughing as Brooks is sacked


When Raiders wide receiver Randy Moss said of his team, "things are crazy around here," he wasn't kidding.

The San Francisco Chronicle reported on its Web site that disgruntled receiver Jerry Porter who was inactive for the 27-0 drugging the Raiders absorbed from the San Diego Chargers on Monday night, was seen laughing and pumping his fist on the sidelines when Raiders teammate Aaron Brooks was sacked for the seventh time.

Porter's role on the team has greatly diminished after he clashed with new coach Art Shell in the offseason over his offseason workout plans. Porter demanded a trade at the start of training camp, but the Raiders have declined to grant his wish.

Porter was slowed by a calf injury early in training camp but was healthy for the final three preseason games and was not listed on the team's injury report leading up to the game. He was on the sideline in street clothes for this game.

"As far as Jerry Porter is concerned, I really don't know where he stands, what the organization has in store for him," Moss told Fox Sports Radio last week. "So the only thing I can do is worry about the guys they're putting on the field."

Porter led the Raiders with 76 catches last season and had 942 yards receiving and five touchdown receptions in 2005.

He has not been listed as a starter all of training camp, even after the Raiders traded starter Doug Gabriel to New England on Sept. 2.

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Given Brooks' history in New Orleans, I'm surprised that he wasn't laughing and pumping his fist as he got sacked.

[TroyF]

Good lord. Why did they trade Gabriel again?

This sounds like a perfect Al Davis/Marcus Allen moment now. He'll keep him on the bench all year, franchise him next year and repeat the process.

Porter may never catch another pass in the NFL, but Davis will pay him like one of the top 5 WR in football just to make sure.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Good lord. Why did they trade Gabriel again?

This sounds like a perfect Al Davis/Marcus Allen moment now. He'll keep him on the bench all year, franchise him next year and repeat the process.

Porter may never catch another pass in the NFL, but Davis will pay him like one of the top 5 WR in football just to make sure.

As long as that ends up with the same way with Jerry Porter in Kansas City in two years and a future Hall of Fame quarterback joining him, I have no problem with the process.

I count two, maybe three wins for the Raiders. San Diego's defense is good, but based on how the Ravens looked Sunday I think they could hold the Raiders to 10 yards passing. I'd resign Jeff George today just so that when Aaron Brooks has his ass beaten into the ground that they don't have to risk have Walter get the ever living piss knocked out of him.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

As long as that ends up with the same way with Jerry Porter in Kansas City in two years and a future Hall of Fame quarterback joining him, I have no problem with the process.

I count two, maybe three wins for the Raiders. San Diego's defense is good, but based on how the Ravens looked Sunday I think they could hold the Raiders to 10 yards passing. I'd resign Jeff George today just so that when Aaron Brooks has his ass beaten into the ground that they don't have to risk have Walter get the ever living piss knocked out of him.

Yep, meet your future hall of fame QB. . . Brett Favre. Enjoy.

[Noble_Platypus]

Look at the bright side Raiders fans : you held Rivers to only 8 completions! Theres that silver lining, I knew there had to be one!

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by TroyF

OK guys. 15 games left for the Raiders, you tell me where they get their ten wins:

@Baltimore
Cleveland
@San Fran
@Denver
Arizona
Pitt
@Seattle
Denver
@KC
@SD
Houston
@Cincy
St.Louis
KC
@NY Jets

Tell me jb, where do they get their wins?

This team has a legitimate shot at 0-16.

[Logan]

Remember when Robert Gallery was the "can't miss, lock him down at LT for 15 years and don't worry about the position until he hangs em up" prospect?

I bet Al Davis misses those days. Seems like he turned more into the "can't move his feet quick enough to block anybody" slug.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Logan

Remember when Robert Gallery was the "can't miss, lock him down at LT for 15 years and don't worry about the position until he hangs em up" prospect?

I bet Al Davis misses those days. Seems like he turned more into the "can't move his feet quick enough to block anybody" slug.

You know that he switch sides this season.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

You know that he switch sides this season.

Yes. He was originally an RT because he sucked out of camp as a rookie, and they figured he could handle that side better. When that didn't work, they tried him back at LT. Last night you witnessed the result of that experiment. Enjoy the rest of your glorious season.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Rizon

This team has a legitimate shot at being shut out 16 times this year.

Fixed that for you

[yabanci]

Tom Walsh's playbook, page 1 (of 2)








credit to Raider Bill

[EagleFan]

I heart this thread.....

[SunDevil]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2588993

Radiers lose Gallery with calf tear
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

Already under fire after a dismal performance in the team's opening game shutout loss, the Oakland Raiders offensive line has suffered another setback, as starting left tackle Robert Gallery has a partially torn calf muscle that likely will sideline him 2-to-3 weeks and perhaps longer.

The injury occurred during practice on Wednesday, and a Thursday MRI exam revealed the tear.

Sixth-year veteran Chad Slaughter, a journeyman who has made just 28 career appearances and whose only other start came in 2003, will move into the lineup at left tackle for the game against the Baltimore Ravens. Coach Art Shell considered moving left guard Barry Sims back to tackle, the position at which he started for the past five seasons, but he wanted to reduce the number of switches on a unit already shell-shocked by last week's results, a 27-0 home loss to the San Diego Chargers.

The Ravens shut out the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in their opener and the defense, which employed a heavy dose of blitzes and forced Chris Simms into three interceptions, played very aggressively. Baltimore figured to blitz embattled Raiders quarterback Aaron Brooks heavily even with Gallery in the lineup and may turn up the heat even more now against a line that surrendered nine sacks last week.

Robert Gallery
Gallery

Slaughter, 28, has not played extensively in any season of his career. He replaced an injured Gallery in the 2005 season finale and played surprisingly well against New York Giants star Michael Strahan. Said Shell: "Chad is a battler."

The calf injury represents the latest setback for Gallery, who has not yet lived up to his reputation as the second player chosen overall in the 2004 draft. The former University of Iowa star was lauded as on of the top left tackle prospects of the past decade when he entered the league. But he played primarily at right tackle, and some at guard, in his first two seasons and struggled noticeably at times.

This spring, in revamping the entire offensive line, Shell decided to move Gallery to the left side and to bump Sims, the long-time starter there, to guard. Gallery has started in 32 of his 33 career appearances and, even though the tear to his calf is not total, such injuries are dicey and often require more recovery time than initially suggested.

By inserting Slaughter into the lineup, the Oakland unit will remain intact at its other four spots, with Sims at left guard, Jake Grove at center, rookie third-round choice Paul McQuistan at right guard and Langston Walker at right tackle. That relative stability may not help, however, unless the Raiders' line raises the level of its play.

"Obviously, we're not going to win many games with the way we played [last week]," Sims acknowledged.

[Logan]

The calf injury represents the latest setback for Gallery, who has not yet lived up to his reputation as the second player chosen overall in the 2004 draft. The former University of Iowa star was lauded as on of the top left tackle prospects of the past decade when he entered the league. But he played primarily at right tackle, and some at guard, in his first two seasons and struggled noticeably at times.

Emphasized for jb.

[scooper]

Dear Robert,
Get well soon. And please work on your pass protection. PLEASE. I mean it. Please.

Yours Truly

[rkmsuf]

Would Brady Quinn consider tanking a bowl game and the combine intentionally?

[scooper]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Would Brady Quinn consider tanking a bowl game and the combine intentionally?

I'd prefer he pulled an Eli.

[scooper]

On second thought, maybe he wouldn't need to tank anything but the combine interview.

Raiders Scout: So, Brady. Tell me about your strength as a QB.

Brady Quinn: Well, they say I have a strong arm and remain calm in the pocket. But do you know who has a really good arm? Troy Smith. Boy, I’ll tell ya. What a rocket. And accurate, too.

RS: OK, uhhh thanks. Tell me a bit about yourself off the field.

BQ: Well, I’m a devout Methodist. I love my parents and, er umm. I mean I love kicking puppies and stealing walkers from little old ladies. Wait. You’re from the Raiders right?

RS: Correct.

BQ: Well then, as I said. I’m a devout Methodist and I live a pretty clean boring life.

[stevew]

Lets see, in the past 3 years the Faiders have passed on Rivers, Roethlisburger, Loseman, Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, and Matt Leinart, among others. So there is probably little chance they would want to ruin Quinn's life either.

[Pumpy Tudors]

scooper nailed it. Good job.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Good lord. Why did they trade Gabriel again?

This sounds like a perfect Al Davis/Marcus Allen moment now. He'll keep him on the bench all year, franchise him next year and repeat the process.

Porter may never catch another pass in the NFL, but Davis will pay him like one of the top 5 WR in football just to make sure.

Huge difference between Marcus Allen and Jerry Porter. Marcus was a legitimate RB who had tons of talent and produced for the Raiders. Jerry hasn't done squat, even with Moss on the other side of him. No 1,000 yard receiving season nor a 100 catch season.

Now, I'll agree that the organization seems to be in shambles and I have to believe that they aren't tanking the season purposely due to the fact that Al is trying to pull a profit and fill the stadium. This year the Raiders took over their own ticket sales so they have to be trying to win.

On the other hand, I would almost rather have them tanking the season purposely than think they're doing their best at this point.

[TroyF]

RA,

Hell, Porter is a terrific WR. He's misused in a horrific system. Last year he caught 16 more passes than Moss. The year before, his number equaled what Randy did last year as the Oakland #1 WR.

Oakland misuses pretty much every offensive weapon they have.

Now, unlike Branch, Porter is a malcontent dirtbag. He's not exactly a guy who gives a crap about anyone but himself. But he's talented and there is ZERO doubt he couldn't help the Raiders out right now, even if only a little.

They should trade his ass or play him. But instead they'll sit him as a healthy scratch and pay him his full salary. Idiots.

[Crim]

I'm a Baltimore fan, just this coming week. Yum!

[Mo.Raider]

Originally Posted by TroyF

RA,

Hell, Porter is a terrific WR. He's misused in a horrific system. Last year he caught 16 more passes than Moss. The year before, his number equaled what Randy did last year as the Oakland #1 WR.

Oakland misuses pretty much every offensive weapon they have.

Now, unlike Branch, Porter is a malcontent dirtbag. He's not exactly a guy who gives a crap about anyone but himself. But he's talented and there is ZERO doubt he couldn't help the Raiders out right now, even if only a little.

They should trade his ass or play him. But instead they'll sit him as a healthy scratch and pay him his full salary. Idiots.

Jerry Porter has talent of course, and if he had the heart he could be something special. I have been left scratching my head over the Gabriel trade. It will once again give the Pats a steal and prove that their system of looking for character in players transfers into wins. Porter has been shopped, but no one wants to pony up the 4 mil signing bonus that he pocketed, especially not Jerry "lil TO" Porter. I don't think it has anything to do with Al wanting to sit Porter just to ruin his career, rather than Al backing Art. For the first time in a long time Al is actually backing his coach and I think he should (he should have backed a young shannahan before he bolted for your Donkeys). If this is the dreaded word "rebuilding" phase then I hope we cut our losses and let the malcontents get flushed. Gruden went looking for character types and it paid off. Al tends to think that as long as they play on Sunday then they can be a jerk the rest of the time for all he cares. Unfortunately in this day and age we have the most egotistical, "I got to love me some me" baby athletes to grace the NFL with their presence. And they aren't man enough to work out their problems man to man with their ..ahem.. team, they run to the media like a squawking chicken.

I still think this could be a very positive year in the long run for the team with the best record of all time (that is why there are so many envious Raider haters in this thread). The weakest link has been and I think will continue to be Tom Walsh. I really believe that Al will stick by Art and pressure him to down grade Walsh if this insane play calling continues. I love the philosophy, but you have to do a little bit of everything if you want to win games. In the end one of the games I expect to win is Denver. I know that will get you stoked TroyF.

And remember this Sunday when the Raiders play the Ravens..."on any given Sunday."

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by TroyF

RA,

Hell, Porter is a terrific WR. He's misused in a horrific system. Last year he caught 16 more passes than Moss. The year before, his number equaled what Randy did last year as the Oakland #1 WR.

Oakland misuses pretty much every offensive weapon they have.

Now, unlike Branch, Porter is a malcontent dirtbag. He's not exactly a guy who gives a crap about anyone but himself. But he's talented and there is ZERO doubt he couldn't help the Raiders out right now, even if only a little.

They should trade his ass or play him. But instead they'll sit him as a healthy scratch and pay him his full salary. Idiots.

What Mo said. The only thing I disagree with is that this may be a good year. I'm looking at this to be a year to get younger players some playing time, solidify the defense and then work on a QB of the future (whether that's Walter or drafting someone next year).

The proof was in the pudding on Monday Night. I left for Yuma, AZ early Tuesday morning so I wasn't able to comment on it, but I was like WTF. Aaron Brooks (and pretty much the whole 1st string) gets pulled with 9 minutes to go. I think they wanted Walter to get some playing time, but it seemed as if it was another exhibition game.

The other thing that disappointed me was that Walsh didn't do more 3 step drops. Obviously the WR quick pass was working and the offensive line wasn't so why not keep on it until they're able to stop it?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mo.Raider

Jerry Porter has talent of course, and if he had the heart he could be something special. I have been left scratching my head over the Gabriel trade. It will once again give the Pats a steal and prove that their system of looking for character in players transfers into wins. Porter has been shopped, but no one wants to pony up the 4 mil signing bonus that he pocketed, especially not Jerry "lil TO" Porter. I don't think it has anything to do with Al wanting to sit Porter just to ruin his career, rather than Al backing Art. For the first time in a long time Al is actually backing his coach and I think he should (he should have backed a young shannahan before he bolted for your Donkeys). If this is the dreaded word "rebuilding" phase then I hope we cut our losses and let the malcontents get flushed. Gruden went looking for character types and it paid off. Al tends to think that as long as they play on Sunday then they can be a jerk the rest of the time for all he cares. Unfortunately in this day and age we have the most egotistical, "I got to love me some me" baby athletes to grace the NFL with their presence. And they aren't man enough to work out their problems man to man with their ..ahem.. team, they run to the media like a squawking chicken.

I still think this could be a very positive year in the long run for the team with the best record of all time (that is why there are so many envious Raider haters in this thread). The weakest link has been and I think will continue to be Tom Walsh. I really believe that Al will stick by Art and pressure him to down grade Walsh if this insane play calling continues. I love the philosophy, but you have to do a little bit of everything if you want to win games. In the end one of the games I expect to win is Denver. I know that will get you stoked TroyF.

And remember this Sunday when the Raiders play the Ravens..."on any given Sunday."

Stoked? Why? The Raiders have beat Denver before and it'll happen again. When you cheer for a team QB's by Jake Plummer, you know that anything can happen on any given week.

That said, are the Raiders even in Denver's league right now? Hell, are they even in the NFL right now? Denver has beat the Raiders 5 of the last 6 times they've played, with the lowest margain of victory being 14 points. From the time Shanahan got here, the Broncos have beat the Raiders 17 out of 22 times.

I apologize if I don't see great cause to get "stoked" about a Raider fan predicting the Raiders will beat the Broncos. History aside, there is ZERO question who has the better football team or the better organization right now. (hint, it's not the guy in the sweatpants)

[Mo.Raider]

I apologize if I don't see great cause to get "stoked" about a Raider fan predicting the Raiders will beat the Broncos. History aside, there is ZERO question who has the better football team or the better organization right now. (hint, it's not the guy in the sweatpants)

Calm down sunshine, I was just pestering you. You are right the Broncos have had the Raiders number as of late, and football is cyclical.

[jbmagic]

The Raiders are going to be ok.

They have a bye week next week and should come back stronger.

The offense gets going we should be ok.

The defense is doing a pretty good job so far this season but they need some help from the Raiders offense to give them some rest.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

The Raiders are going to be ok.

They have a bye week next week and should come back stronger.

The offense gets going we should be ok.

The defense is doing a pretty good job so far this season but they need some help from the Raiders offense to give them some rest.

Yep, next week they might even score a touchdown.

[JeeberD]

Another good game for Thomas Howard, at least.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

The offense gets going we should be ok.

Uh... ok. Your starting QB can't even take a snap properly. The backup looked like shit. The line sucks, and the OC still thinks it's 1994.

I do admire your optimism though

[hukarez]

I must be completely out of the loop, but when did the Raiders have Bruce Campbell as their QB??

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Uh... ok. Your starting QB can't even take a snap properly. The backup looked like shit. The line sucks, and the OC still thinks it's 1994.

I do admire your optimism though

Backup QB Walters will do a lot better now he going to be the starter. With a bye week, it should him him get prepare for the next game against Cleveland.

[Oilers9911]

The way the Broncos are playing right now the Raiders MIGHT beat them. Ugh.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

The Raiders are going to be ok.

They have a bye week next week and should come back stronger.

The offense gets going we should be ok.

The defense is doing a pretty good job so far this season but they need some help from the Raiders offense to give them some rest.

You are wrong. Sorry.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Backup QB Walters will do a lot better now he going to be the starter. With a bye week, it should him him get prepare for the next game against Cleveland.

He threw three interceptions and completed 40% of his passes today. Not a good sign there. Even if he is NFL ready, he has one reciever who plays when he wants and a line that is absolutely shockingly bad. If he manages to squeeze four wins out of this team, then I'll concede that he could be a half decent QB in this league. I still don't see it though...

[Logan]

Since he doesn't have an edit button, does that mean jb can't even delete threads? Cause if he can, I'm thinking of making a dupe just so his comments will never be forgotten.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Logan

Since he doesn't have an edit button, does that mean jb can't even delete threads? Cause if he can, I'm thinking of making a dupe just so his comments will never be forgotten.

Yep, no edit or delete powers.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Logan

Since he doesn't have an edit button, does that mean jb can't even delete threads? Cause if he can, I'm thinking of making a dupe just so his comments will never be forgotten.

His frequent deleting of threads is a big part of why the edit button was taken away. No, he cannot delete threads.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Backup QB Walters will do a lot better now he going to be the starter. With a bye week, it should him him get prepare for the next game against Cleveland.

And if that doesn't work, they should then take TWO weeks off after that game.

[stevew]

Walter is so good, he picked up an extra "s" at the end of his name.

[Danny]

I'll be rooting for the Colts this season it looks like.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think jbmagic should get all his buttons back. It'd be great to see if he'd pull the same stunts again, now that he knows he's being watched.