Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER) - Page 3

Neon_Chaos · 10-22-2007, 10:22 PM

Dola, I mean BK, not Alan.

Alan T · 10-22-2007, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Olympians have to kill all of the Titans? ithought it was just those Loyal to Croeses. So we kill even the ones that have loyalty to the Olympians?

No, you are right, only the titans loyal to Cronus must die for the Olympians to win.

ntndeacon · 10-22-2007, 10:26 PM

Thank you for the clarification, Alan. I was getting cornfused.

Raiders Army · 10-22-2007, 11:14 PM

Checkin in. The way things have been going lately, I won't have an internet connection in the morning (because it's cold out) and I can't access at work. That means at best I'll be able to check in during my lunch tomorrow and at worst I'll be able to check in when I get home tomorrow night.

RendeR · 10-22-2007, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

i have no hair.

We have wigs.....

Racer · 10-23-2007, 12:20 AM

Olympian checking in.

Abe Sargent · 10-23-2007, 12:39 AM

There was a recent game with a mass reveal issue? What game?

Neon_Chaos · 10-23-2007, 12:40 AM

The Clue game would be most recent one.

path12 · 10-23-2007, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm also concerned about people being able to manipulate the votes behind the scenes as I've already commented on. I'm not sure the best way to combat that.

Catching up. I don't know how we can if it's essentially secret voting.

By the way, checking in too, I guess.

path12 · 10-23-2007, 01:10 AM

OK, so we can't reveal, and we can't really get full info from voting records because of the point totals. Seems well balanced so far.

Abe Sargent · 10-23-2007, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

The Clue game would be most recent one.

Just went and read it. Crazy.

Chief Rum · 10-23-2007, 03:31 AM

All right, I am here now. I will be away at work tomorrow day (as usual), but I got a "gift" from my second job and they actually scheduled me off Tuesday night. So I should be around to put in a vote and an action.

But, no, not planning to do any of that now. I think a mass reveal is a mistake, but I think you guys have already come to the same conclusion.

ArlingtonColt · 10-23-2007, 07:39 AM

Checking in... Mass reveal would be awful and we really shouldn't consider it at this point. Maybe when key roles need to be revealed later in order to save yourself (standard). And I'm an olympian.

DaddyTorgo · 10-23-2007, 09:33 AM

anything going on since last night?

DaddyTorgo · 10-23-2007, 09:35 AM

apparently not. and i'm the only one here right now. i'll be around most the day i would assume, although I of course have work to do.

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

anything going on since last night?

We're still trying to figure out if Saldana looks better as a redhead, brunette or blonde. With Wigs...

Oh and Olympian here, not sure I said that previously.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2007, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

We're still trying to figure out if Saldana looks better as a redhead, brunette or blonde. With Wigs...

Am I missing the inside joke here with trying to turn Saldana into a woman?

Gonna propose RendeR?

Alan T · 10-23-2007, 10:09 AM

With under 12 hours remaining, the current votes are:

Hoopsguy - Barkeep (60)

Reminder everyone must vote or you will be punished for non-voting. All actions and AP usage needs to be received before the deadline as well.

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Am I missing the inside joke here with trying to turn Saldana into a woman?

Gonna propose RendeR?

Guess you missed the memo...

Saldana's a chick.

DaddyTorgo · 10-23-2007, 11:31 AM

it's day 1, so i'm going to announce that i have no intention of "powering up" my vote

Telle · 10-23-2007, 11:34 AM

Checking in.

So not much going on yet. Looks like the consensus is that a mass reveal is not a good idea.

Are we interested in revealing how much we add to our votes? Or is there too much room for lying involved in that since there's no real way to check it?

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 11:42 AM

There is really no way to verify it. Alan has mentioned that the amount of action points is pretty much a GM-player only conversation, so even if we anounced it, there is no waqy to verify. Lots of room for "Titanic" lies there.

Poli · 10-23-2007, 11:46 AM

I'm still confused as to what's going on. These victory conditions are hurting my head. Maybe I've been gone from the game for too long. Maybe I've got too much Pardus and HS football on my brain.

Just a FYI: You're likely not to see me at all on Friday. I'm working at a hospital in Belleville, IL then driving down to Perryville MO for a wedding rehearsal. If things go well, from there I'll head to Fredericktown MO, where my 5-3 Potosi Trojans (I scout/consult for the team) are taking on the 8-0 Fredericktown Black Cats.

I will have to log in at some point and register my vote so not to get penalized. Don't penalize me personally when you wonder where I'm at.

st.cronin · 10-23-2007, 11:49 AM

Olympian checking in.

I'll be busy most of the day until around 6pm Eastern Time or so.

st.cronin · 10-23-2007, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Just went and read it. Crazy.

No kidding.

Passacaglia · 10-23-2007, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No kidding.

yeah, yeah -- well, it was fun for a couple days, at least!

DaddyTorgo · 10-23-2007, 12:00 PM

thinking I may lay a vote on Neon Chaos today, based on his pushing for a D1 reveal. I can see a Titan sticking their neck out to try to advocate that to try to gain information, and it's as good as anything for a D1 vote right now

VOTE NEON CHAOS

*disclaimer* subject to change, although I likely will be away from the computer from 5pm-8pm or so

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

Checking in.

So not much going on yet. Looks like the consensus is that a mass reveal is not a good idea.

Are we interested in revealing how much we add to our votes? Or is there too much room for lying involved in that since there's no real way to check it?

I think to a certain extent we should make this public info. I think keeping this stuff secret leaves too much room for the bad guys to maneuver and manipulate. So, I'm not sure where my vote's going to end up today but I will be using my full 5 AP on it.

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think to a certain extent we should make this public info. I think keeping this stuff secret leaves too much room for the bad guys to maneuver and manipulate. So, I'm not sure where my vote's going to end up today but I will be using my full 5 AP on it.

Just to be clear BK, there is just as much room for manipulating the votes if we announce them. Its the lack of verification of what people added to their votes that creates the problem.

Passacaglia · 10-23-2007, 12:36 PM

I think BK is suggesting that if we announce what we do, we're at least more likely to find out who's lying.

Neon_Chaos · 10-23-2007, 12:41 PM

DT, I was contemplating it, and from what I gather, Barkeep was also thinking about it as well.

After further discussion, and clarification from AlanT, it seems that there are certain factors that would make a mass-reveal unhelpful to the village, as opposed to how succesful that strategy has been the past couple of games.

BK even suggested a humans-only reveal, to which I said would be more disasterous. That would cut the field down as to which players could be Olympians, and help the Titans.

I didn't push hard for a reveal, you're the one trying to say that. If you didn't see the advantages of a Day 1 reveal before AlanT explained all the disadvantages that he put into place, then you didn't understand what I was talking about. Or are you playing dumb?

As it is, I am only putting one point into my vote. I have a certain ability that I can use at night that would require me to use 4 points, and I intend on using that ability tonight.

For now, though, for feigning ignorance...

Vote DaddyTorgo

Abe Sargent · 10-23-2007, 12:46 PM

I have to vote, so, in order to determine who my initial vote will fall on, I rolled a d20. I'd re-roll a 20. That means there is a 1 in 19 chance that I would vote for anybody, including myself.

I rolled a 14. Who is that?

Me. I rolled my frickin' self.

Well hell

Vote Anxiety

Abe Sargent · 10-23-2007, 12:47 PM

I will follow the lead and announce that my vote with be just 1 ap. (no, really?) I have an ability that I have never seen before in WW and I want to take it out for a spin and see if I can do anything with it.

DaddyTorgo · 10-23-2007, 12:50 PM

not feigning ignorance. just seemed that you were pushing a bit hard at it. and BK hasn't escaped my eye either for his pushing.

with so many roles i don't see the advantages, so many places to hide and i trust alan to have constructed the game so it wouldn't be that easy.

interesting. so you have announced you intend to use an ability tonight...that's a good piece of information for us all to have.

like i said, my vote is subject to change. it's just D1

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2007, 01:07 PM

You know, we need a rule where a person can just jump on day #2 because day 1 is really my least favorite day. Anxiety, nice method on the vote! The reveal discussions by several bothered me but it may have just been attempts to find an easy victory. We'll see where my day one goes ultimately but I'll go

vote Neon_Chaos as a placeholder.

Passacaglia · 10-23-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I have to vote, so, in order to determine who my initial vote will fall on, I rolled a d20. I'd re-roll a 20. That means there is a 1 in 19 chance that I would vote for anybody, including myself.

I rolled a 14. Who is that?

Me. I rolled my frickin' self.

Well hell

Vote Anxiety

I'll join you.

VOTE ANXIETY

Passacaglia · 10-23-2007, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

You know, we need a rule where a person can just jump on day #2 because day 1 is really my least favorite day. Anxiety, nice method on the vote! The reveal discussions by several bothered me but it may have just been attempts to find an easy victory. We'll see where my day one goes ultimately but I'll go

vote Neon_Chaos as a placeholder.

I think that's basically what a no lynch vote is. Or, you could start with a Night 0, and let the wolves go first.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think that's basically what a no lynch vote is. Or, you could start with a Night 0, and let the wolves go first.

Thanks Pass, never realized that that was what Night 0 did but knew that I had enjoyed the difference. I guess I never really put 2 and 2 together.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think BK is suggesting that if we announce what we do, we're at least more likely to find out who's lying.

That is correct. The more information we share, the easier it is to start to figure out who might be lying or not telling the truth. I am in favor of sharing info in general and while it seems that roles is not the way to go, I think sharing how many points we're putting behind our votes is a start. I have announced what I'm doing today and followed through. In essence right now Hoops has 5 votes. How do the 2 votes for Anxiety or Neon Chaos stack up compared to that? We don't really know. This is why I want to share our voting.

Raiders Army · 10-23-2007, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I have to vote, so, in order to determine who my initial vote will fall on, I rolled a d20. I'd re-roll a 20. That means there is a 1 in 19 chance that I would vote for anybody, including myself.

I rolled a 14. Who is that?

Me. I rolled my frickin' self.

Well hell

Vote Anxiety

Quite possibly the most insane move I've ever seen. I see Pass has joined you, so I'll make it three. Let's see who you move your vote to.

VOTE ANXIETY
One AP.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 02:02 PM

I have to admit I've been tempted to join the Anxiety vote train. I despise self votes and am not such a fan of the rolling the dice for D1 either as it makes it easier for someone to deflect responsibility for the vote in the long run.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 02:05 PM

And thanks to Raiders for including his AP. I believe we're looking at the current rough vote total:

Anxiety (3) - Anxiety (1), Pass (?), Raiders (1)
Hoops (5) - Barkeep (5)
Neon (2) - Purdue (?), DaddyT (?)
DT (1) - Neon (1)

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 02:13 PM

Again, not to belabor this but how can you learn anything from that BK? So everyone announces the AP's they use, seing how there is no way to know how many AP's actually got put out there, anyone could simply lie through their teeth.

Even if Alan announces the total AP's spent, that still really gives us nothng other than the aiblity to suspet every person that voted for the guy who's numbers don't add up.

I'll join in and use 1AP to vote, dunno who I'm voting for yet.

I'll vote Telle. She's always fairly well trusted. I don't recall her being a wolf much so I'm betting she's due.

VOTE TELLE

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 02:14 PM

Vote Hoopsguy

I like to keep it close and interesting

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 02:14 PM

meant to remove the "i dunno who" line in that but forgot =)

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 02:17 PM

I'm not really sure if we can legitimaly claim how many points we are using to vote.

This may have been mentioned but since everybody has an individual action as well I think it could be easy to confuse someones use of action points as sinister when they could actualy be using them with good intentions.

Poli · 10-23-2007, 02:27 PM

Absent any other reasoning, I'm not a fan of the vote for yourself, and I've never heard of it used on Day 1.

VOTE ANXIETY
1 AP.

hoopsguy · 10-23-2007, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Vote Hoopsguy

I like to keep it close and interesting

Sure, close and interesting when BK has said he is putting five votes on me. For reasons that I still don't understand at all. Are you going to be keeping it "close and interesting" with five action points as well? Because based on what I've seen posted in the thread you just padded my lead by 1-5 points instead of keeping things close.

I am going to be reserving my votes for self-preservation at this point in the day. I had intended, as posted early, to put one vote/point out there so I would have maximum points available for night activity. I think that is what would be best for Olympus, but keeping our numbers ahead of the Titans is also pretty high on the importance scale.

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2007, 02:43 PM

My vote is 1 AP but like I said, it is likely to change.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Sure, close and interesting when BK has said he is putting five votes on me. For reasons that I still don't understand at all. Are you going to be keeping it "close and interesting" with five action points as well? Because based on what I've seen posted in the thread you just padded my lead by 1-5 points instead of keeping things close.

I am going to be reserving my votes for self-preservation at this point in the day. I had intended, as posted early, to put one vote/point out there so I would have maximum points available for night activity. I think that is what would be best for Olympus, but keeping our numbers ahead of the Titans is also pretty high on the importance scale.

why would I answer that question?

10-22-2007, 10:22 PM	#101
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Dola, I mean BK, not Alan. __________________ Come and see.

10-23-2007, 12:39 AM	#107
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	There was a recent game with a mass reveal issue? What game? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-23-2007, 12:40 AM	#108
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	The Clue game would be most recent one. __________________ Come and see.

10-23-2007, 01:10 AM	#110
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	OK, so we can't reveal, and we can't really get full info from voting records because of the point totals. Seems well balanced so far. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-23-2007, 11:42 AM	#122
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	There is really no way to verify it. Alan has mentioned that the amount of action points is pretty much a GM-player only conversation, so even if we anounced it, there is no waqy to verify. Lots of room for "Titanic" lies there. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-22-2007, 10:26 PM	#103
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Thank you for the clarification, Alan. I was getting cornfused.

10-22-2007, 11:14 PM	#104
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Checkin in. The way things have been going lately, I won't have an internet connection in the morning (because it's cold out) and I can't access at work. That means at best I'll be able to check in during my lunch tomorrow and at worst I'll be able to check in when I get home tomorrow night.

10-23-2007, 12:20 AM	#106
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Olympian checking in.

10-23-2007, 03:31 AM	#112
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	All right, I am here now. I will be away at work tomorrow day (as usual), but I got a "gift" from my second job and they actually scheduled me off Tuesday night. So I should be around to put in a vote and an action. But, no, not planning to do any of that now. I think a mass reveal is a mistake, but I think you guys have already come to the same conclusion.

10-23-2007, 07:39 AM	#113
ArlingtonColt H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: arlington, tx	Checking in... Mass reveal would be awful and we really shouldn't consider it at this point. Maybe when key roles need to be revealed later in order to save yourself (standard). And I'm an olympian.

10-23-2007, 09:33 AM	#114
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	anything going on since last night?

10-23-2007, 09:35 AM	#115
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	apparently not. and i'm the only one here right now. i'll be around most the day i would assume, although I of course have work to do.

10-23-2007, 10:09 AM	#118
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	With under 12 hours remaining, the current votes are: Hoopsguy - Barkeep (60) Reminder everyone must vote or you will be punished for non-voting. All actions and AP usage needs to be received before the deadline as well.

10-23-2007, 11:31 AM	#120
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	it's day 1, so i'm going to announce that i have no intention of "powering up" my vote

10-23-2007, 11:34 AM	#121
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Checking in. So not much going on yet. Looks like the consensus is that a mass reveal is not a good idea. Are we interested in revealing how much we add to our votes? Or is there too much room for lying involved in that since there's no real way to check it?

10-23-2007, 11:46 AM	#123
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'm still confused as to what's going on. These victory conditions are hurting my head. Maybe I've been gone from the game for too long. Maybe I've got too much Pardus and HS football on my brain. Just a FYI: You're likely not to see me at all on Friday. I'm working at a hospital in Belleville, IL then driving down to Perryville MO for a wedding rehearsal. If things go well, from there I'll head to Fredericktown MO, where my 5-3 Potosi Trojans (I scout/consult for the team) are taking on the 8-0 Fredericktown Black Cats. I will have to log in at some point and register my vote so not to get penalized. Don't penalize me personally when you wonder where I'm at. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

10-23-2007, 11:49 AM	#124
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Olympian checking in. I'll be busy most of the day until around 6pm Eastern Time or so. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-23-2007, 12:00 PM	#127
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	thinking I may lay a vote on Neon Chaos today, based on his pushing for a D1 reveal. I can see a Titan sticking their neck out to try to advocate that to try to gain information, and it's as good as anything for a D1 vote right now VOTE NEON CHAOS disclaimer subject to change, although I likely will be away from the computer from 5pm-8pm or so

10-23-2007, 12:36 PM	#130
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I think BK is suggesting that if we announce what we do, we're at least more likely to find out who's lying.

10-23-2007, 12:41 PM	#131
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	DT, I was contemplating it, and from what I gather, Barkeep was also thinking about it as well. After further discussion, and clarification from AlanT, it seems that there are certain factors that would make a mass-reveal unhelpful to the village, as opposed to how succesful that strategy has been the past couple of games. BK even suggested a humans-only reveal, to which I said would be more disasterous. That would cut the field down as to which players could be Olympians, and help the Titans. I didn't push hard for a reveal, you're the one trying to say that. If you didn't see the advantages of a Day 1 reveal before AlanT explained all the disadvantages that he put into place, then you didn't understand what I was talking about. Or are you playing dumb? As it is, I am only putting one point into my vote. I have a certain ability that I can use at night that would require me to use 4 points, and I intend on using that ability tonight. For now, though, for feigning ignorance... Vote DaddyTorgo __________________ Come and see.

10-23-2007, 12:46 PM	#132
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I have to vote, so, in order to determine who my initial vote will fall on, I rolled a d20. I'd re-roll a 20. That means there is a 1 in 19 chance that I would vote for anybody, including myself. I rolled a 14. Who is that? Me. I rolled my frickin' self. Well hell Vote Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-23-2007, 12:47 PM	#133
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I will follow the lead and announce that my vote with be just 1 ap. (no, really?) I have an ability that I have never seen before in WW and I want to take it out for a spin and see if I can do anything with it. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-23-2007, 12:50 PM	#134
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	not feigning ignorance. just seemed that you were pushing a bit hard at it. and BK hasn't escaped my eye either for his pushing. with so many roles i don't see the advantages, so many places to hide and i trust alan to have constructed the game so it wouldn't be that easy. interesting. so you have announced you intend to use an ability tonight...that's a good piece of information for us all to have. like i said, my vote is subject to change. it's just D1

10-23-2007, 01:07 PM	#135
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	You know, we need a rule where a person can just jump on day #2 because day 1 is really my least favorite day. Anxiety, nice method on the vote! The reveal discussions by several bothered me but it may have just been attempts to find an easy victory. We'll see where my day one goes ultimately but I'll go vote Neon_Chaos as a placeholder.

10-23-2007, 02:02 PM	#141
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I have to admit I've been tempted to join the Anxiety vote train. I despise self votes and am not such a fan of the rolling the dice for D1 either as it makes it easier for someone to deflect responsibility for the vote in the long run.

10-23-2007, 02:05 PM	#142
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	And thanks to Raiders for including his AP. I believe we're looking at the current rough vote total: Anxiety (3) - Anxiety (1), Pass (?), Raiders (1) Hoops (5) - Barkeep (5) Neon (2) - Purdue (?), DaddyT (?) DT (1) - Neon (1)

10-23-2007, 02:13 PM	#143
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Again, not to belabor this but how can you learn anything from that BK? So everyone announces the AP's they use, seing how there is no way to know how many AP's actually got put out there, anyone could simply lie through their teeth. Even if Alan announces the total AP's spent, that still really gives us nothng other than the aiblity to suspet every person that voted for the guy who's numbers don't add up. I'll join in and use 1AP to vote, dunno who I'm voting for yet. I'll vote Telle. She's always fairly well trusted. I don't recall her being a wolf much so I'm betting she's due. VOTE TELLE __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-23-2007, 02:14 PM	#144
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vote Hoopsguy I like to keep it close and interesting

10-23-2007, 02:14 PM	#145
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	meant to remove the "i dunno who" line in that but forgot =) __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-23-2007, 02:17 PM	#146
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'm not really sure if we can legitimaly claim how many points we are using to vote. This may have been mentioned but since everybody has an individual action as well I think it could be easy to confuse someones use of action points as sinister when they could actualy be using them with good intentions.

10-23-2007, 02:27 PM	#147
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Absent any other reasoning, I'm not a fan of the vote for yourself, and I've never heard of it used on Day 1. VOTE ANXIETY 1 AP. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

10-23-2007, 02:43 PM	#149
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	My vote is 1 AP but like I said, it is likely to change.

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