Werewolf XLVII City of Wonder (Game Over!)

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My guess path is he was talking about a tie. Given that DT has claimed to hold a tiebreaker, a tie might not be a bad thing.

That is correct. I was speculating whether or not we would want a tie.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I can't really see any benefit in lying about having this. Regardless if he is wolf or villager, I would have to assume if he said he has it, then he has it. It would just be foolish to lie about something so easily tested to be caught in regardless of which side he is on.

I guess the next question though is ..

If he is a wolf, I assume he wouldn't want a tie set up with another wolf friend, thus most likely Render would be good if he is bad.

If he is a villager, he has no idea if Render is good or bad, thus using it is purely self preservation.

So is it benefitial for us to try to force him into using it if he was a wolf or not? I guess I go back to the thought that I just hate ties as it leaves too much unknown. As far as I can tell, the only benefit from leaving it tied is to test to see if he is lying about having an item that he would be foolish to have said he had in the first place if he didn't. Regardless if he uses it or not, he would lose it after today according to the rules. I just guess I see this as if he's bad we don't want it a tie. If he is good, we don't want it as a tie.

I sympathize with your thinking, but its day 1. We don't often get an opportunity on day 1 to have a meaningful vote.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My guess path is he was talking about a tie. Given that DT has claimed to hold a tiebreaker, a tie might not be a bad thing.

Ah, got it. I wasn't aware we had a tie.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I sympathize with your thinking, but its day 1. We don't often get an opportunity on day 1 to have a meaningful vote.

Fair enough, but I guess what I am asking is what meaning does this vote have?

If we keep it a tie, and DT has the item proven, does that give us trust of him? If he doesn't have the item then yeah I guess then we definitly have less trust of him, but then we leave the vote in the hands of who knows whom?

The main point I am making is I have yet to see in the rules where specific items = trust. Its more about how the items are used that builds trust in my mind, and using an item for self-preservation doesn't really tell me much other than he wants to stay alive.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Fair enough, but I guess what I am asking is what meaning does this vote have?

If we keep it a tie, and DT has the item proven, does that give us trust of him? If he doesn't have the item then yeah I guess then we definitly have less trust of him, but then we leave the vote in the hands of who knows whom?

The main point I am making is I have yet to see in the rules where specific items = trust. Its more about how the items are used that builds trust in my mind, and using an item for self-preservation doesn't really tell me much other than he wants to stay alive.

I assume GE's going to break the tie. My bigger concern is what I brought up earlier, which is that the player lynched, his items get distributed to players who voted for him. Since I posted that, there's been hardly any movement at all, which makes me worry that the wolves are on the two leaders. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I'm thinking of moving my vote to somebody else. Maybe Rum, who had a chance to vote earlier and didn't. Or maybe Passacaglia or ardent, who have jumped on the two leaders.

[Poli]

I can't remember the last time I "couldn't wait" to see how day 1 ended. Considering EVERYONE probably has an item, this should be mildly entertaining to say the least.

[GoldenEagle]

I don't think that DT having that item gives me anymore trust in him. It just proves that he had the item and that he is still alive. If Render does come up to be a wolf, then I still do not have complete trust in DT.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Fair enough, but I guess what I am asking is what meaning does this vote have?

If we keep it a tie, and DT has the item proven, does that give us trust of him? If he doesn't have the item then yeah I guess then we definitly have less trust of him, but then we leave the vote in the hands of who knows whom?

The main point I am making is I have yet to see in the rules where specific items = trust. Its more about how the items are used that builds trust in my mind, and using an item for self-preservation doesn't really tell me much other than he wants to stay alive.

Hey Alan, you and I agree for once!

I don't see how having the Charm of Persuasion equals good at all. I thought we all got an item or two.

[hoopsguy]

I could potentially see someone as a wolf suggesting that they have an item that would deter people from voting for them. I do agree that using this item certainly doesn't clear someone, but being honest about an item is probably slightly more villager than wolf behavior.

As Cronin pointed out, we at least have something to discuss here on Day 1. And that alone makes it a smidge more interesting than the norm.

[path12]

Does anyone know offhand how many votes DT had on him when he revealed the item?

I guess I could look it up......

[st.cronin]

unvote Alan T
Vote ardent enthusiast

[hoopsguy]

I'm also pleased to see 7 people hanging out in the thread right now.

[path12]

It was 4-3 Render when DT revealed the item. I don't know what that means if anything, but I'm not sure why you'd reveal what you have at that point.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I assume GE's going to break the tie. My bigger concern is what I brought up earlier, which is that the player lynched, his items get distributed to players who voted for him. Since I posted that, there's been hardly any movement at all, which makes me worry that the wolves are on the two leaders. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I'm thinking of moving my vote to somebody else. Maybe Rum, who had a chance to vote earlier and didn't. Or maybe Passacaglia or ardent, who have jumped on the two leaders.

I tend to usually assume a day 1 run on people more often than not ends up being a villager or two villagers, and the wolves try to stay out of it all together. Of course that wasn't true about the last game, but I would wager more often than not that is the case. Its hard for me to say without a full grasp of how items move around to know what others will try to do strategy wise in regards to them. Many of the "better" items tend to pass randomly to people that don't have any items, which would be an incentive to not have an item at all in hopes of getting one of those. The part that makes me give some agreement to what you hypothesized is that DT came out to say he had nice items which might end up being more juicy for someone wanting. I assume when it is said the items will go randomly to someone who voted for them, that its just random.org picking thus perhaps it benefits everyone villagers and wolves to do vote switches at the end in hopes of either getting an item or keeping an item from the other team.

I guess I am very curious to see who switches at the end to try to ensure someone is lynched and to get an item. This game more than others will cause me to have much more suspicion of people who create runs on folks for that reason I guess.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

unvote Alan T
Vote ardent enthusiast

Right back at you.

UNVOTE DT

VOTE CRONIN

[Poli]

Nah, screw that.

UNVOTE CRONIN

VOTE DT

[GoldenEagle]

I am voting for DaddyTorgo. Here is the reason: My assumption is that he has the tie-breaker. I do not think he is lying about that. If he is a villager, then we just lose a villager and the item goes back into play with only a slight chance that it will go to a wolf. If he is a wolf, then we eliminate the chance of him being able to use the item and gaining trust, by saying that he was telling the truth about that item and therefore, is a villager.

I hope this rambling makes sense....

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[st.cronin]

I have to say, I'm pretty suspicious of ardent right now.

[Poli]

I'm not sure what to make of cronin's infatuation with me. It's not like his girl has contacted me on myspace in the last couple of months.

[path12]

If we go with a tie strategy, we are essentially saying that we believe Render is a wolf or that DT is lying if a tiebreak goes another way. If DT is not lying about the charm then we really don't learn a damn thing with this vote. Typical day 1 I suppose.

[path12]

Dola, didn't see GE's vote. Nevermind.

[path12]

Is Chief working tonight?

[st.cronin]

Yeah, he was on before, and said he might not be back, but he didn't vote.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I have to say, I'm pretty suspicious of ardent right now.

I was thinking the same thing about you.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I was thinking the same thing about you.

Why?

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yeah, he was on before, and said he might not be back, but he didn't vote.

Hmmm.

Well, barring a last minute switch it's DT by one vote. I think I'm OK with that for a day 1.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why?

it just seemed odd to change a vote so late unless you were changing it to one of the 2 likely candidates

[st.cronin]

Odder than ardent tying it up?

[DaddyTorgo]

well i'll use my tiebreaker I guess. Dunno how that works. Going to read the rules.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well i'll use my tiebreaker I guess. Dunno how that works. Going to read the rules.

It goes to the person you voted for. So Render is lynched.

[path12]

Dola, but I think it wasn't tied. I'm so mixed up.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Odder than ardent tying it up?

IMO yes.


what was the point of your vote. I realize it's day one and random but it just seemed odd.

[Poli]

You meaning odder than me tying it up and not realizing it until later? Come on wolf, I mean, cronin.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh. I guess it just means that RendeR dies cuz I have it? I want to use it keep...however I do that.

*shrug* I have no knowledge good or bad of what RendeR is. The vote for him was entirely self-preservation.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

oh. I guess it just means that RendeR dies cuz I have it? I want to use it keep...however I do that.

*shrug* I have no knowledge good or bad of what RendeR is. The vote for him was entirely self-preservation.

I have it 5-4 you. So there is no tiebreak. Unless I'm wrong.

[DaddyTorgo]

well that sux ballz.

Way to go guys. Now I can't use the damm crystal ball to try to find a wolf or buuild trust in another villager. So that's a day lost.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

IMO yes.


what was the point of your vote. I realize it's day one and random but it just seemed odd.

I explained it like this, several posts before I made the vote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My bigger concern is what I brought up earlier, which is that the player lynched, his items get distributed to players who voted for him. Since I posted that, there's been hardly any movement at all, which makes me worry that the wolves are on the two leaders. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I'm thinking of moving my vote to somebody else. Maybe Rum, who had a chance to vote earlier and didn't. Or maybe Passacaglia or ardent, who have jumped on the two leaders.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well that sux ballz.

Way to go guys. Now I can't use the damm crystal ball to try to find a wolf or buuild trust in another villager. So that's a day lost.

I've gone on the record saying so before, but information like that should have been presented before you were lynched. Yeah it puts a target on your back tonight, but perhaps some of us have items that could have been passed to you to try to protect you in order to get that information. I personally couldn't have moved my vote in a way to save you if I had believed you, but if your death is on the line and killing you would be harmful to the village (moreso than another villager being killed), you should share that information.

[Poli]

Am I seeing this wrong? Shouldn't the deadline have already passed?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Am I seeing this wrong? Shouldn't the deadline have already passed?

Yeah, Barkeep is probably totalling up the vote, writing the end of day result, etc.

[path12]

Well, c'mon, damnit. I picked up Titan Quest and need to plow through some more undead.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I've gone on the record saying so before, but information like that should have been presented before you were lynched. Yeah it puts a target on your back tonight, but perhaps some of us have items that could have been passed to you to try to protect you in order to get that information. I personally couldn't have moved my vote in a way to save you if I had believed you, but if your death is on the line and killing you would be harmful to the village (moreso than another villager being killed), you should share that information.

I thought I had said enough earlier to move stuff off me, hinted at some stuff that hopefully wouldn't get me lynched.

I didn't want to come right out and say anything. put a nice big target on my back.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Am I seeing this wrong? Shouldn't the deadline have already passed?

Yeah, deadline was over. I kept refreshing to see how it turned out . Forgot that I had to do the turning out part

[st.cronin]

I definitely think DT had said enough. I'm surprised GE voted the way he did, to be honest.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, c'mon, damnit. I picked up Titan Quest and need to plow through some more undead.

Originally Posted by napoleon dynamite

Lucky!

.

[LoneStarGirl]

haha good one barkeep

[Poli]

I think someone could have swayed the vote one way or another. I think I recall an item doing that. That could lead us to a different outcome. Like I said, I'm interested to see how this turns out.

[Barkeep49]

Turning against one of your own is not easy. There seems to be no real rhyme or reason as to which way you should turn. At first.

However, over the course of the day the bragging, long ago and perhaps better off forgotten, of Render and DaddyTorgo draws the ire of their fellow citizens. As the day winds to a close it is DaddyT who suffers the fate of the mob. Using their assembled might they incapacitate DT before striking him down. He falls easily, far too easy to have been possessed by a werewolf. He was but a normal citizen.

The day has ended and now the night, and the fear, is upon the city.

Final Vote Count:
(5) Daddy T – Lathum (57), Render (61), LSG (65), Ardent (116), GE (117)
(4) Render – Alan (62), Swaggs (72), DaddyTorgo (83), Passacaglia (84)
(1) Hoops – saldana (59)
(1) Path – NTN (64)
(2) Ardent – path (70), cronin (111)
(1) NTN – Hoopsguy (73)

No Vote: Rum

[LoneStarGirl]

Well that sucks for us villagers. But at least DT learned his lesson about flaunting his werewolf success

[Lathum]

Sorry DT