Small Game - Vanilla WW (Village Wins)

[JetsIn06]

Okay, busy busy day since I'm moving over the weekend.

Taking a few to read through.

[JetsIn06]

Vote J23

Let's see what happens.

[EagleFan]

As of post 102:

J23 3 - nfg22 (53), Danny (95), JetsIn06 (102)
KWhit 3 - claphamsa (58), PurdueBrad (63), Lathum (73)

[claphamsa]

fwiw im in and out, cleaning up the horrendous mess i made painting my bathroom, which i will need to do again tomorrow! meh!

[claphamsa]

helooooooo

[claphamsa]

well... one good thing, neither has revelation, so they both probably are villagers!

[claphamsa]

but KWIT hasnt been around.....

[claphamsa]

do we know the tie break?

[EagleFan]

tie = no lynch

[J23]

Tried to leave it late so we could see last minute changes and such, but I'm not really looking to see if I die in a tie-break, so....

Vote KWhit

[claphamsa]

I wasn gonna make a lame diseased joke.. but forgot to!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by J23

Tried to leave it late so we could see last minute changes and such, but I'm not really looking to see if I die in a tie-break, so....

Vote KWhit

no lynch,

[claphamsa]

so kwhit is the only no voter....

[J23]

So... not being experienced in these games, is no lynch a good thing at this point? I can unvote...

[EagleFan]

As of post 110:

J23 3 - nfg22 (53), Danny (95), JetsIn06 (102)
KWhit 4 - claphamsa (58), PurdueBrad (63), Lathum (73), J23 (110)

[claphamsa]

J23, there is LOTS of debate over that. in a long game it is 100% bad (despite what EF will tel you) in a short game like this..... I would say its still bad.

[claphamsa]

i do hate people not voting!

[EagleFan]

Riiiiiinnnnnnngggggggggggg!!!!

[EagleFan]

After an almost silent back and forth debate between Danny and Lathum the voe ends up coming down to J23 and KWhit. You grab KWhit and before you know it he lies motionless on the ground in front of you. Then you notice it, the fur growing out of his back and the razor sharp fangs.

KWhit was a wolf.

The nightmare continues however, your work is not complete.

[PurdueBrad]

VERY nice start guys!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Riiiiiinnnnnnngggggggggggg!!!!

poli?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

After an almost silent back and forth debate between Danny and Lathum the voe ends up coming down to J23 and KWhit. You grab KWhit and before you know it he lies motionless on the ground in front of you. Then you notice it, the fur growing out of his back and the razor sharp fangs.

KWhit was a wolf.

The nightmare continues however, your work is not complete.

woot!

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

poli?

[J23]

Well, lynching certainly worked out the first night.

[EagleFan]

For those with night actions if you specify in your PM that the decision is final I will run the night actions once all with actions have given the okay.

[J23]

Er.. day I guess. Crazy people calling it day at 9pm.

[EagleFan]

Be back in a couple. It may turn into a 10 PM deadline afterall. I am getting an evil eye from my wife at the moment.

[claphamsa]

and someone remind to buy a new trackball tomorrow....

[Lathum]

In a game this small I would be very surprised if the other wolf voted KWhit. I think nfg22 could be the last wolf hoping to get people on me and Danny in what was most likely villager vs. villager

[EagleFan]

You wake up the next morning and the 6 of you gather in the cener of the room. It's time to decide what to do next.

Wait....

6 of you?

You look around and find the remains of nfg22. He was a vanilla villager.

Day 2 deadline 9 PM EST Wednesday.

[claphamsa]

ok.... WTF?

[J23]

I'm guessing it wasn't nfg at this point.

[nfg22]

at whoever killed me. Good luck guys...

[Danny]

Great result!

[PurdueBrad]

Danny, while I think it is risky, I am the seer. I scanned Danny and he is a villager. I was debating between three people: Lathum, Danny, and Jets. I chose one of the non-Kwhit voters.

[PurdueBrad]

So here is what we have, Danny and I are villagers. That leaves 4 players, one of which is the bodyguard. IF the bodyguard reveals (not really sure about this, talking through the numbers), that leaves three players. We lynch one, I scan one, and then we win.

Problem is, wolves nightkill the BG but I am safe and scan, so the BG would really be sacrificing themselves here, which I can't really advocate.

[Danny]

And Kwhit was not the brutal, so I have to believe the wolves did not push for his lynch, in fact, I think it's possible none of the first three votes on Kwhit were wolves, especially Clap and PB. So that puts Jets and I at the top of the suspect list.

It's possible J23 is also a wolf although that would have been extremely lucky of us. If he doesn't break that tie there, it pretty much gives us both the wolves. And despite the unlikeness, my gut tells me we might have had two wolves up for a lynch today based on his reluctance to vote Kwhit until it was really necessary.

Overall, this gives us some breathing room as we are now 5-1 with two roled players and hopefully one scan in.

The suspect list I would put as this

Danny
Jets
J23
Lathum
PurdueBrad
Claphamsa

Of course since I know I am not a wolf, my vote will likely be going towards J23 or Jets.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

So here is what we have, Danny and I are villagers. That leaves 4 players, one of which is the bodyguard. IF the bodyguard reveals (not really sure about this, talking through the numbers), that leaves three players. We lynch one, I scan one, and then we win.

Problem is, wolves nightkill the BG but I am safe and scan, so the BG would really be sacrificing themselves here, which I can't really advocate.

Hmmm, that is true, I would think the BG should probably reveal now, especially if it is J23 or Jets. I really don't think Clap is a wolf, so if he is the BG, I'd say he would be safe not revealing.

I think our wolf is certainly one of Jets, J23 and Lathum, probably in that order of likeliness.

[Danny]

I think that was a good play PB, I was definitely going to be a possible lynch candidate, so now we won't waste villagers voted for me.

[PurdueBrad]

Danny, I wouldn't write off Claph's vote yet, KWhit was the fourth candidate (I believe) at the time, so it's still a possible cover vote. But I do agree, right now I am (in order of suspicion): Jets, Lathum, J23, Claph

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Danny

I think that was a good play PB, I was definitely going to be a possible lynch candidate, so now we won't waste villagers voted for me.

That's why I did it, I was concerned that you and Lathum were two villagers butting heads. So we'll see.

[Danny]

Revised Player list

The suspect list I would put as this

Danny
Jets
J23
Lathum
PurdueBrad
Claphamsa


Clap is underlined because there is no way he puts that first vote on Kwhit in such a small game if he is a wolf. Lathum, it's possible he knew Kwhit was not going to be around and wanted to give him up. But I don't think he is the best vote today.

[Danny]

Jets vote doesn't look at all as he tied it 3-3 with both lynch candidates yet to vote, potentially giving us a tie. As PB was saying, if we lynch Jets, and scan J23 we then have our wolf.

[PurdueBrad]

So for the sake of numbers, let me do something.

KNOWN villagers:
Player A (seer)
Player B (scanned)

UNKNOWN players:
C
D
E
F

IF bodyguard reveals, we immediately go to:
KNOWN villagers
Player A (seer)
Player B (scanned)
Player C (bg)

UNKNOWN players:
D
E
F

So, here's what happens...Tomorrow we lynch player F, making it 3 cleared to 2 uncleared. The wolf nightkills our BG probably and I scan player E, meaning if he comes back clean, the wolf is definitely D. OR E scans as wolf and we win.

IF the BG wants to be a martyr, this will be the time. Also, from every angle I've seen, a fake reveal does not help the last wolf here because he would just get lynched if we lynched the real BG. So this seems like a solid bet.

[Lathum]

I'm the BG, there is only 1 problem.

I protected PB last night

[J23]

Originally Posted by Danny

It's possible J23 is also a wolf although that would have been extremely lucky of us. If he doesn't break that tie there, it pretty much gives us both the wolves. And despite the unlikeness, my gut tells me we might have had two wolves up for a lynch today based on his reluctance to vote Kwhit until it was really necessary.

Overall, this gives us some breathing room as we are now 5-1 with two roled players and hopefully one scan in.

The suspect list I would put as this

Danny
Jets
J23
Lathum
PurdueBrad
Claphamsa

Of course since I know I am not a wolf, my vote will likely be going towards J23 or Jets.

My reluctance for putting up my vote until the end was since I was going to be around for the vote, I could try to counter possible wolf vote swaps. I'm not sure how my actions were wolf-ish in that regard, but perhaps I'll learn more as I see more games.

My hesitation on lynching someone when the tie rule was revealed was that the odds of finding a wolf on day 1 with little to no information was 10% (unless I'm missing something). While I would think you gain more information from the votes even if you lynch a villager, I wasn't sure if this was considered the correct play with such a small group of villagers.

I'm unfortunately not the bodyguard, so I can't make the big reveal to prove myself.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm the BG, there is only 1 problem.

I protected PB last night

I knew you loved me! Oh well, I may have screwed the village by revealing but it made sense at the time. Hey, we should still be able to put this together.

Right now, with no other BG reveal, here's my move:

vote Jets

[EagleFan]

One of my favorite Family Guy clips.... Sorry, that one was on yesterday.

[Lathum]

is the cunning in play or not?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Lathum

is the cunning in play or not?

He is not, I asked EF and then noticed it was removed from the rules as well.