Werewolf CXII - The Red Death - GAME OVER

[hoopsguy]

Looks like I got an answer to my question in the rules:

Each night, once, you may pass an item to a person OR A ROLE of your choice, just pm me and let me know.

[Telle]

Good morning all. Just checking in. I think my item is pretty self-explanatory based on its name.

[Telle]

Yet to check in:

ntndeacon, Autumn, CrimsonFox, Lathum

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I agree somewhat with that too, but if we get our information out early enough, perhaps before some of these conversions take place, it can help in the long run when we find out someone's been converted.

Why is that? I am presuming we won't be able to tell a convert versus starting wolf. If this is the case, then we are going to be unable to tell villager info from wolf info in retrospect.

[Autumn]

Morning all. I certainly was invited to our meeting, but I'm eager to find out who was not. I agree with the sentiment that in these complex games we need to share information as much as we can. If we each try to play cowboy we'll probably end up frigging ourselves up. I am going to reread the rules and see if I can figure out what my item might do.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why is that? I am presuming we won't be able to tell a convert versus starting wolf. If this is the case, then we are going to be unable to tell villager info from wolf info in retrospect.

I wouldn't be so sure about not being able to tell in a game with rules and roles and items as wide open as this-I mean we don't even know with one possible exception-a vampire, what the evil roles are.

[The Jackal]

As per my item, I haven't the foggiest what it would do. Think it might be one of those red herrings Abe was talking about, but I'm not sure yet, maybe info will present itself.

[J23]

From a brief re-reading of the rules, I'd just like to point out you can pass your item to any person or any ROLE. It seems it would be very useful to use the role option early in the game when we have a lack of information.

[J23]

dola.

What happens if we attempt to pass our item to a role that's not in the game?

[Thomkal]

good catch there on the passing of items to a role-I certainly will be sending my item tonight now, and it might be a good idea for all my fellow non-roled lightbringers to do the same.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by J23

dola.

What happens if we attempt to pass our item to a role that's not in the game?

That same thing that would happen if you told me you wanted to pass it to Blade6119

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, that seems like an interesting way for us to figure out what roles are in/out of the game.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

That same thing that would happen if you told me you wanted to pass it to Blade6119

Would it disappear into the nether regions of your mind, or would the passer be told simply "this person does not exist in the game, so no pass has been committed"?

Also, if an item is successfully passed, does the recipient know from whom he is receiving the item?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

A couple of thoughts on my item:
1.) Abe forced me to go to the dictionary to verify that I did in fact know the meaning of the word used.
2.) Once I got that out of the way, I have good reason to believe I know what my item will do and it is useful.

As a result, I'll be looking for reasons to trust people quickly. I may have reason to pass the item at some point, so this is a priority for me.

Makes sense as you are usually an early departure from these games. However, be careful in who you pass it to as anyone that is considered trusted by you is likely to become trusted by others and a key target of the wolves (if that makes sense). Therefore, your item could end up in wolf hands.

In fact, it might make sense just to pass it to a role instead of a trusted person (but you probably knew that already).

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, that seems like an interesting way for us to figure out what roles are in/out of the game.

Yes, definitely could prove useful if we have a reveal that we question.

[KWhit]

Also, FYI, my item doesn't seem to have an obvious use in-game. It could be one of the red herrings.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Telle

Yet to check in:

ntndeacon, Autumn, CrimsonFox, Lathum

Jeez, can you give us west coasters a break

[Lathum]

Abe- do we have to use our item or is it activated automatically?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Makes sense as you are usually an early departure from these games. However, be careful in who you pass it to as anyone that is considered trusted by you is likely to become trusted by others and a key target of the wolves (if that makes sense). Therefore, your item could end up in wolf hands.

In fact, it might make sense just to pass it to a role instead of a trusted person (but you probably knew that already).

Not that it may mean anything but wow did this jump out at me as a setup for later in the week to ask the question "why has hoops not been night killed?"

[KWhit]

Huh?

It's just a fact. It happens and we comment on it almost every game.

In fact, I thought Hoops himself was semi-alluding to it when he already mentioned the fact that he may need to pass it to someone.

You're reaching, dude.

[hoopsguy]

If/when I'm alive later in the game I'll deal with the question. I didn't read anything all that deep into the comment by KWhit.

On my end, I was more alluding to "hey, I just said I've got something that might be pretty useful - I probably need to pass it sooner rather than later now that I've tipped my hand on this".

[ntndeacon]

question? will the role know who passed it? if so I would recommend caution to the recievers of such items. that could also be a ploy to garner trust from those so corrupted.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jeez, can you give us west coasters a break

Hehe. Sorry.. I just tend to post that when I see that only a few players haven't checked in yet. Generally comes right after I myself check in

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

question? will the role know who passed it? if so I would recommend caution to the recievers of such items. that could also be a ploy to garner trust from those so corrupted.

this is a good and important question, abe?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jeez, can you give us west coasters a break

The east coast bias is in full effect. You should know that Lathum.

[Autumn]

I'll be interested in Abe's answers about passing things. I don't want to risk something getting lost, but if not passing items to our role players might be smart.

I'm going to hold on to my vote for the moment. I should be around this afternoon and evening so I'll see if something comes up.

[PurdueBrad]

Checking in quickly now, be on later.

[J23]

Vote Eaglefan

The joking reveal as cunning and anxiously jumping on Kwhit are enough to earn my day1 vote. It's by no means set in stone, but have to start somewhere.

[henry296]

I have an interesting theory about my item. I'll probably pass it tonight to test it.

[EagleFan]

vote ntndeacon

Since Poli voted for player number two I guess I will vote for player number one this time.

As for my item, looks like it should be very useful, I just have to figure out what can be done with it.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Would it disappear into the nether regions of your mind, or would the passer be told simply "this person does not exist in the game, so no pass has been committed"?

Also, if an item is successfully passed, does the recipient know from whom he is receiving the item?

1). What would happen in real life if you decided to give an object to a non-existent person?

2). No, they just find it. Not told who it. is if from. Good quesiton, shoulda put that in the rules.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Abe- do we have to use our item or is it activated automatically?

I told you EVERY piece of info that you have in the pm. If it had to be activated, then I told you that. If it was one time, I told you that. If it had a target, I told you that. Etc. I am not that bad of a GM.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

1). What would happen in real life if you decided to give an object to a non-existent person?

It would just drop and hit the ground, I would imagine. What you're not saying is whether we as the passer would be unaware of that or would we go to retrieve the item once it hits the ground. This seems nonsensicle, so I would ask you to either say "I'm not saying" or be less cryptic with your response please.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I told you EVERY piece of info that you have in the pm. If it had to be activated, then I told you that. If it was one time, I told you that. If it had a target, I told you that. Etc. I am not that bad of a GM.

well my item didn't tell me any of that so I guess it is automatically activated

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

It would just drop and hit the ground, I would imagine. What you're not saying is whether we as the passer would be unaware of that or would we go to retrieve the item once it hits the ground. This seems nonsensicle, so I would ask you to either say "I'm not saying" or be less cryptic with your response please.

Obviously you would learn that the non-existant person is non existant and the item would not disappear into limbo.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Obviously you would learn that the non-existant person is non existant and the item would not disappear into limbo.

Thank you for that clarification.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

vote ntndeacon

Since Poli voted for player number two I guess I will vote for player number one this time.

As for my item, looks like it should be very useful, I just have to figure out what can be done with it.

Vote Eaglefan

Since I wasn't the 1st person in the game Poli's record is still intact for voting for the first person in.

[Telle]

Votes as of post #138:

1 - PurdueBrad - Poli (93)
2 - EagleFan - J23 (129), ntndeacon (138)
1 - ntndeaacon - EagleFan (131)

[Autumn]

Man, doesn't this seem like the same early day one votes we get every game? Snore. I will most likely try to vote someone who doesn't seem to be in the mix every day one, as has been my recent strategy.

[Autumn]

Does anyone's role suggest that they may need certain items to perform a function, I wonder?

[Lathum]

Poli, why the change in D1 voting strategy?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Jeez, can you give us west coasters a break

no kidding I just got up. :P not that THAT means anything :P

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Poli, why the change in D1 voting strategy?

If you look in the thread, PurdueBrad was in fact the first to sign up. Not sure why ntn is listed first though.

[J23]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Does anyone's role suggest that they may need certain items to perform a function, I wonder?

I'm not sure we'd want our roled villagers to expose themselves by answering this kind of question at this point. No need to start narrowing down key targets for the wolves.

[CrimsonFox]

Who has the pepperoni pizza? I need to borrow that.

[Poli]

Lathum, ef, it's like what ntn and telle said. Pb signed up first. Not sure why Abe is trying to mess with me.

Hater. (directed at Abe)

[Poli]

One of these days I may unveil my latest day 1 strategy. It's a keeper.

[Darth Vilus]

I really don't think that anyone should give too much away about their roles, it's too risky this early.

and the item i have doesn't give me any clue what it does.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by dubb93

The east coast bias is in full effect. You should know that Lathum.

U guys can g ahead and be biased, I live in lovely sunny california
Oh, sorry lathum

[The Jackal]

Ah, the dreaded first second vote on a person. Not much else to go on for voting. Also, ntn is often a player who stays UTR and is hard to figure out late in games since he doesn't say much. And I don't mean he stays invisible, just that even when he does comment it's generally succinct and pointed and doesn't allow for heavy analysis.

Certainly open to change:

vote ntn