Coach fired after his team wins Basketball game 100-0

[Lathum]

just browsing the NJ high school girls basketball scoreboard from the last 3 days I see scores of

72-37
51-14
82-33
76-23

should all of those winning coaches be fired?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

NFL players take a knee so nothing crazy happens (Herm Edwards).

If you keep score there is the potential to run that score up. If we eliminate keeping score everyone can hug after the game and go pick flowers and eat cookies.

That's bull and you know it. Teams take knees all the time in the final minutes with huge leads. There is nothing crazy that can possibly happen to cost them that game. Teams frequently run the ball instead of throwing bombs in the 4th quarter of blowouts. They call off blitzes too.

So Jimmy Johnson is a pussy for having his QB take a knee in the Super Bowl against the Bills?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Who is this directed at? There's no one on this board arguing that the game should have ended in a tie.

my point is people are complaining about sportsmanship and such, well if you eliminated keeping score you eliminate any chance for bad sportsmanship or hurt feelings.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

That's bull and you know it. Teams take knees all the time in the final minutes with huge leads. There is nothing crazy that can possibly happen to cost them that game. Teams frequently run the ball instead of throwing bombs in the 4th quarter of blowouts. They call off blitzes too.

So Jimmy Johnson is a pussy for having his QB take a knee in the Super Bowl against the Bills?

dude, your analogy is so far off.

Taking a knee also prevents high paid players from possibly being hurt.

Have you ever seen a team take a knee for more then it was necessary to end the game?

Should a team with a 35 point lead start taking a knee with 5 minutes left, or 4 minutes?

Teams take a knee for a completely different reason then good sportsmanship.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dude, your analogy is so far off.

Taking a knee also prevents high paid players from possibly being hurt.

Have you ever seen a team take a knee for more then it was necessary to end the game?

Should a team with a 35 point lead start taking a knee with 5 minutes left, or 4 minutes?

Teams take a knee for a completely different reason then good sportsmanship.

So why did the Jimmy Johnson have his QB take a knee in the Super Bowl to end the game? It's the Super Bowl, so injuries don't really matter.

If you honestly don't think teams call off blitzes and run the ball with big leads for sportsmanship, then all I can say is that you don't watch a lot of football or just have no clue how the game is played.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This has nothing to do with the "Everyone's a winner" crap. No one is disputing the winner of the game or saying the other team shouldn't have tried to win the game. It's about basic sportsmanship, something found in every sport in every country.

Actually my comment was in response to Marcs comment, not the 100-0 game.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So why did the Jimmy Johnson have his QB take a knee in the Super Bowl to end the game? It's the Super Bowl, so injuries don't really matter.

If you honestly don't think teams call off blitzes and run the ball with big leads for sportsmanship, then all I can say is that you don't watch a lot of football or just have no clue how the game is played.

your the one who has no clue, teams call off blitzes and such to try and avoid injury. They could care less if they beat the other team by 100.

If you have a big lead in football the goal is to finish the game as fast as possible without anyone getting injured. You do that by running the ball and the in the last 2 minutes, when the other team has no timeouts left, taking a knee.

[BYU 14]

I have been on both ends of this, years back when we were at another school, we had a group of Freshmen that, while they worked hard were just not the most talented group around. We played a team that featured current Oklahoma starting FB Matt Clapp as well as 4 other players, including the TB and QB that would be 3 year varsity starters. They were loaded and beat us 61-0, my worst loss in 21 years of coaching, but they did it right. The didn't play their starters the second half, but also didn't quit playing hard, we kept our kids playing hard, but it was what is was. We were outclassed and nothing I could do as a coach would have changed that. Sometimes it just works out like that. After the game I shook the coaches hand, complimented his team and thanked him for his sportsmanship, no ill feelings at all. On top of that I was proud of our kids for not quitting and that is what we took out of it.

Another example of this was 3 years ago at Westview, we scheduled a couple of B games against new programs. Notmally this is good when you have 80 kids out, but that year we only had high 40's for some reason and by the time that game came we were down to 35 due to grades and injuries. I left 17 kids behind with 2 coaches to play the "B" game and took the other 18 with one other coach to play the "A" game, which was on the road. The B team was playing the only freshmen team the other school had, I.E their A team and we expected to lose since we were playing with 3rd and 4th string kids.

We won our "A" game 34-12 and when we got back to school I grabbed the tape of the "B" game to watch (They got clobbered 47-6) I had no problem with that until I watched the tape. They were up 40-0 early in the 4th and put in their reserves, still cool. Then our kids scored, so the other coach pulled his reserves, put the starters in and scored, left them in on defense and then after getting the ball back left his starters in, they were driving and fumbled. Defensive starters stayed in and they got the ball back with a little less than 2 minutes left. I was still fairly cool with things at this point. I would have pulled my starters a bit earlier and made sure I cleared the bench and got everyone a few plays going into the fourth. He played less than half his 50 odd kids, which is still fine. I am not saying my way is best, it's just what I believe in. It was what happened next that really pissed me off. They tried a double reverse, threw deep twice and then tried a reverse pass. The only motive was to get another cheap TD against a group of kids who were already beaten and didn't need to have this done to them. They didn't score and as their OC was in the picture after the reverse pass I could see he was actually upset about it!!! Winning 47-6 with 30 odd seconds left. I won't ever forget that and if we were to get them against our regular squad I wouldn't go out of my way to embarrass them, beating them would be a pleasure. I know that is childish on my behalf, but I still don't appreciate what happened and would just like to see him do that against our best available squad.

Conversely we have had games the last two years where we have led by 30-40 points at halftime on 4-5 different occassions, to be honest I hate these games, but still encourage the kids to compete. The only difference being it is our backups, I go completely conservative in the play called and don;t believe I have ever thrown a pass in the 2nd half in any of those games and I make sure all the kids get in. If we had scored 100 under those circumstances I would not have liked it, but would have been OK. If I had left my starters in and thrown the ball and blitzed like crazy I wold expect someone to call me a dick and probably wouldn't deserve the honor of coaching.

Just my 2 cents.

BTW, I watch that 61-0 tape in full before every season.....It's a great dose of humility.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

your the one who has no clue, teams call off blitzes and such to try and avoid injury. They could care less if they beat the other team by 100.

If you have a big lead in football the goal is to finish the game as fast as possible without anyone getting injured. You do that by running the ball and the in the last 2 minutes, when the other team has no timeouts left, taking a knee.

So Jimmy Johnson had his retiring backup QB take a knee in the Super Bowl to avoid injury? The Super Bowl, the last game of the year, the pinnacle of their career. As he was being doused with Gatorade in the biggest moment of his career, he was concerned about injuries to some backups.

Yes, I am the one who has no clue.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Lathum

my point is people are complaining about sportsmanship and such, well if you eliminated keeping score you eliminate any chance for bad sportsmanship or hurt feelings.

But there's a lot of room between 0-0 and 100-0.

[RainMaker]

Lathum, why do teams run much more heavily when they are winning in a ridiculous blowout? Running plays account for much more injuries than passing plays. If this was simply about the injuries and not the sportsmanship, it would appear they are doing it all wrong.

[molson]

Originally Posted by rowech

Most states, all basketball teams go to the tournament no matter what.

I thought that that was ONLY in Indiana (and it has been criticized there for being a relic of the past that leads to severe mismatches).

[muns]

Originally Posted by Lathum

just browsing the NJ high school girls basketball scoreboard from the last 3 days I see scores of

72-37
51-14
82-33
76-23

should all of those winning coaches be fired?

Nope, I dont have a problem with any of those scores.

Both teams scored, and the winning teams appears to have slowed down, some more than others. The 51 point score could have been much worse I guarantee it.

None of those are 100-0, and none of those 4 scores are even in the same boat.

Coaching in the same conference as Gallaudet University (A team that has hearing impaired kids, not all deaf) and playing against them twice a year, I get to see first hand how hard they work. Some kids are fantastic ball players some are just ok. We beat them 64-41. I played my bench 18 mins of the 20 in the second half, and we could have blown them out 80-30 if we really wanted.

There is no sense in it period and these are College kids, not high school.
We took a beating by 40-50 earlier on in the year by York College who is ranked in the top 25 in D-3 this year. I didnt have a problem with it at all. Their head coach slowed it down played the bench, and they are just that good. If they would have kept going with staters shit would have been said between the coaches..... guarantee it.

The situation we are talking about is very clear. The one team was horrible (they didnt score a single point) and the other coach was an ass and ran it up for no reason.... Im still waiting for someone to tell me what the difference is between winning 60-0 than 100-0, other than being an ass and rubbing it in.

[molson]

Originally Posted by muns

Im still waiting for someone to tell me what the difference is between winning 60-0 than 100-0, other than being an ass and rubbing it in.

I don't know anything about what happened in this game, but how about the reserves getting to play and succeed with "real" basketball (or any other sport), and not just the watered down "mercy" version? Or a team accomplishing an amazing thing that they'll remember forever? Maybe it's not THAT much more gratifying than winning by 60, but either is losing by 100 that much more devastating to other team.

I'm not saying the coach was right, I just still don't get what the big deal is. Do we know if any of the players on the other team have killed themselves? Developed drug problems? The winning team (and particularly the reserves) can have a fun, memorable moment, and the losing team can try to do better next time.

One season, the JV soccer team at my high school didn't score a single goal all year. I don't remember anyone being remotely upset about it. It was funny.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Lathum

your the one who has no clue, teams call off blitzes and such to try and avoid injury. They could care less if they beat the other team by 100.

If you have a big lead in football the goal is to finish the game as fast as possible without anyone getting injured. You do that by running the ball and the in the last 2 minutes, when the other team has no timeouts left, taking a knee.

Actually a lot of us do Lathum, the coaching fraternity is pretty tight for the most part and things go in cycles, you won't always be up and if you take care of a coach when he is down it will come back to you, just like rubbing his face in the dirt will if he gets a chance and all this does is put kids who have nothing to do with the "grudge" paying the price for it.

You take the starters out to both avoid injuries, throttle things down and to also get your backups game experience as you may need them in a clutch situation some situations. At the end of the game you when a game is well in hand you probably have backups in anyway, so you take a knee and run to keep the clock moving and win with class.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This has nothing to do with the "Everyone's a winner" crap. No one is disputing the winner of the game or saying the other team shouldn't have tried to win the game. It's about basic sportsmanship, something found in every sport in every country.

I am also sick of the "Everyone's a winner" crap, but RM is spot on here. This has nothing to do with winning and losing, but in how you win and how you lose.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I am also sick of the "Everyone's a winner" crap, but RM is spot on here. This has nothing to do with winning and losing, but in how you win and how you lose.

Exactly

[Logan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Lathum, why do teams run much more heavily when they are winning in a ridiculous blowout? Running plays account for much more injuries than passing plays. If this was simply about the injuries and not the sportsmanship, it would appear they are doing it all wrong.

Because running the ball removes the potential for the clock to be stopped on an incomplete pass, hence leaving less time for your opponent to score once they get the ball back. Is this really debatable?

And please cite the statistics that show running plays lead to more injuries than passing plays. If I'm a coach, I'd much rather a solidly-built RB be faced with running into the defense than putting my irreplacable QB in the face of a pass rush.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Logan

And please cite the statistics that show running plays lead to more injuries than passing plays. If I'm a coach, I'd much rather a solidly-built RB be faced with running into the defense than putting my irreplacable QB in the face of a pass rush.

Well, your solidly-built RB will get hit every run (well, nearly every run), while your QB will only get hit a few times. Who do you think is more likely to get hurt? Who do you think will have a shorter career?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Logan

And please cite the statistics that show running plays lead to more injuries than passing plays. If I'm a coach, I'd much rather a solidly-built RB be faced with running into the defense than putting my irreplacable QB in the face of a pass rush.

The differences are negligible. O-lineman have a slightly higher percentage of injury on running plays, for skill players Passing plays are slightly higher. Not enough either way to make a sigificant impact.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Logan

Because running the ball removes the potential for the clock to be stopped on an incomplete pass, hence leaving less time for your opponent to score once they get the ball back. Is this really debatable?

And please cite the statistics that show running plays lead to more injuries than passing plays. If I'm a coach, I'd much rather a solidly-built RB be faced with running into the defense than putting my irreplacable QB in the face of a pass rush.

I'm talking major blowouts here. When you're up by 40 to an inferior team in the 4th quarter, you aren't concerned about them catching up. The clock should be of no importance unless it's a sportsmanship thing.

The statistics came out a couple years ago. I can't find it, but I want to say Football Prospectus did it. They discussed it on ESPN for a couple days. I'm sure someone more savvy than me with searching online can pull it up.

About 40% of all pass plays end up as incompletions and no contact on the ball carrier. Quarterbacks are only hit a few times a game. I would much prefer to pass as opposed to run if I was looking to prevent an injury.

But I think the point was that it shows a complete lack of sports knowledge to believe that no coach runs out the clock or takes knees from a sportsmanship perspective. Especially considering most blowouts involve your backups that you could careless about.

[Fidatelo]

I think the losing coach should be fired because he clearly didn't instill any passion in his players. If I'm playing a sport like basketball and I feel the other team is running up the score and trying to beat me 100-0, you better believe I'm either scoring a basket, blocking a shot, or getting ejected in my attempt to do one of those two things. I haven't heard of any fights or scuffles, so I have to assume his players just bent over and let the other team have their way.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by molson

I thought that that was ONLY in Indiana (and it has been criticized there for being a relic of the past that leads to severe mismatches).

I think you're thinking of the divisions. That's different than postseason eligibility. For instance, in Illinois, the there are many divisions of basketball for postseason play. Every team technically makes the playoffs within their own division.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So why did the Jimmy Johnson have his QB take a knee in the Super Bowl to end the game? It's the Super Bowl, so injuries don't really matter.

If you honestly don't think teams call off blitzes and run the ball with big leads for sportsmanship, then all I can say is that you don't watch a lot of football or just have no clue how the game is played.

the fact that you keep referencing this one play which was the last play of the season is commical. It shows you really have no point.

When an NFL coach has his players take a knee I can pretty much guarentee he isn't sayin "I'll do the sporting thing" he is saying " lets get out of here with no one injured."

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Actually a lot of us do Lathum, the coaching fraternity is pretty tight for the most part and things go in cycles, you won't always be up and if you take care of a coach when he is down it will come back to you, just like rubbing his face in the dirt will if he gets a chance and all this does is put kids who have nothing to do with the "grudge" paying the price for it.

You take the starters out to both avoid injuries, throttle things down and to also get your backups game experience as you may need them in a clutch situation some situations. At the end of the game you when a game is well in hand you probably have backups in anyway, so you take a knee and run to keep the clock moving and win with class.

I was refering to the NFL, not high school or college.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I'm talking major blowouts here. When you're up by 40 to an inferior team in the 4th quarter, you aren't concerned about them catching up. The clock should be of no importance unless it's a sportsmanship thing.

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so what should they do? Take a knee every play of the 4th quarter?

No, you run the ball with your fullback or a backup RB, stay in bounds, get some first downs and keep the clock moving.

If a player breaks open a 70 yard run and his team is up by 40 should he just lay down on the 10 yard line?

Your arguments make no sense to me.

I'm at the point where I'll just say we agree to disagree.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so what should they do? Take a knee every play of the 4th quarter?

No, you run the ball with your fullback or a backup RB, stay in bounds, get some first downs and keep the clock moving.

If a player breaks open a 70 yard run and his team is up by 40 should he just lay down on the 10 yard line?

Your arguments make no sense to me.

I'm at the point where I'll just say we agree to disagree.

Actually, I think you're the one with the poor analogy.No one would have a problem No one would complain if the coach genuinely tried ot slow it down. That doesn't seem like the case, since he WAS able to slow it down once they got to 100.

If the Fullback breaks off a long run, well then so be it. But if the QB is throwing long bombs, then it's a different story. The latter is what we're looking at here.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I would bet my house you can probably find scores from high school sports almost everyday where there are 60-80 point blow outs.

You could probably remove the "probably" from that sentence.

And those are teams winning with far more than the 8 players that the Texas winner had to work with. I can only imagine what some of the scores here in this area (just with Wesleyan's girls & Athens Christian's boys off the top of my head) would be like if they had no choice but to leave two starters on the floor at all times. Hell, that boys team -- highly unlikable though their coach may be for other reasons -- told all five starters not to even dress for a game last week & won by something like 70 (against one of those "shouldn't be playing at this level" schools I mentioned up the thread). And that's with a running clock mercy rule in place, imagine if the timing were normal (as I believe I saw mentioned somewhere for the hundred point game in question, state rules don't allow for a running clock if what I read was correct).

This is much more common than it seems some people realize I guess.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

the fact that you keep referencing this one play which was the last play of the season is commical. It shows you really have no point.

When an NFL coach has his players take a knee I can pretty much guarentee he isn't sayin "I'll do the sporting thing" he is saying " lets get out of here with no one injured."

You are ignorant to the game of football then. If you don't think people take knees as the sporting thing to do, I don't know what to tell you.

[Noop]

None of this would have happened if the losing coach had just forfeited the game at half time. I think the winning coach is not at fault because he played by the rules and his team happened to beat down the other team. Why should anyone care if they beat them by 100 or 20?

Instead of calling the winning coach classless or a poor sportsmen why not say the same for the losing coach to allow it to happen? Or the administration that thought it was a good idea to let disabled kids play in a non disabled league? This whole thing was easily avoidable but the losing team chose not to forfeit and got their ass kicked.

I don't care if its girls or not, if you decide to play any sport you accept the possibility of getting your ass kick. You either cry about it or try not to let it happen ever again. I remember in Pee Wee watching my team get throttled and our entire team cried.

My father told me I had to choices if I was going to always cry when I lose keeping crying and eventually quit or be a leader to my team and practice harder. Which one do you think would benefit people more? Crying about it and having people encouraging that behavior or rising above it?

[JonInMiddleGA]

You know what I haven't seen mentioned anywhere? Whether the winning team was a run & gun shoot the three's sort of team or if the alleged pace was out of character for them.

I have very little problem with this as is, but would have even less issue than that if they were simply doing what they normally do.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

You are ignorant to the game of football then. If you don't think people take knees as the sporting thing to do, I don't know what to tell you.

It plays a part but it is done to avoid serious injuries or crazy stuff happening. If you throw long passes you run the risk of your QB being hit and getting hurt ruining your season. If it happens during the last game then it interferes with your preparation for next season because that player may not be available for training camp.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Lathum

the fact that you keep referencing this one play which was the last play of the season is commical. It shows you really have no point.

When an NFL coach has his players take a knee I can pretty much guarentee he isn't sayin "I'll do the sporting thing" he is saying " lets get out of here with no one injured."

I can't believe how far this has devolved. We are now making the comparison of the NFL with high school. Total apples and oranges.

If anything, the high school coach would take the knee to do the sporting thing. The high school kids have a lot more to gain by running up the score for college scouts.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so what should they do? Take a knee every play of the 4th quarter?

No, you run the ball with your fullback or a backup RB, stay in bounds, get some first downs and keep the clock moving.

If a player breaks open a 70 yard run and his team is up by 40 should he just lay down on the 10 yard line?

Your arguments make no sense to me.

I'm at the point where I'll just say we agree to disagree.

I'm talking about games that are well out of hand in the 4th. Tune in the first couple weeks of college football. There is 0% chance the team down by 50 to a top school is going to come back in the 4th quarter.

You say teams only run to run out clock. So I'm asking you why a team who has no chance of losing would not throw an equal amount. Since the game is out of reach, according to your line of thinking, there is no reason not to throw.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I can't believe how far this has devolved. We are now making the comparison of the NFL with high school. Total apples and oranges.

If anything, the high school coach would take the knee to do the sporting thing. The high school kids have a lot more to gain by running up the score for college scouts.

Lathum doesn't believe teams take knees as sportsmanship. He doesn't believe teams run out the clock out of sportsmanship.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Noop

It plays a part but it is done to avoid serious injuries or crazy stuff happening. If you throw long passes you run the risk of your QB being hit and getting hurt ruining your season. If it happens during the last game then it infers with your preparation for next season because that player may not be available for training camp.

You are playing your backups anyway. And running the ball carries injury risks as well.

I just have a hard time believing the coach of a championship football team getting doused in Gatorade is getting on the mic discussing how they can avoid injuries for next year's training camp. But apparently that's how it works. Maybe if the Cardinals get up big this Sunday, Wisenhunt can put in Leinart and save Warner for next August.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

You are ignorant to the game of football then. If you don't think people take knees as the sporting thing to do, I don't know what to tell you.

I hate the word ignorant, so I will tell you this.

You are a fucking fool and an idiot.

If they take a knee because it is "sporting" why do they only do it when the other team has no time outs left and can't stop the clock?

I have never in my life seen an NFL team take a knee when there was a chance for the other team to get the ball back with more then 20 seconds left.

It is a part of the strategy of the game, why do you think it becamse FAR more prominant after the Herm Edwards fiasco?

like I said earlier, I'm done discussing it with you, I was being cordial agreeing to disagree, but I don't appreciate being called ignorant.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Noop

None of this would have happened if the losing coach had just forfeited the game at half time. I think the winning coach is not at fault because he played by the rules and his team happened to beat down the other team. Why should anyone care if they beat them by 100 or 20?

Instead of calling the winning coach classless or a poor sportsmen why not say the same for the losing coach to allow it to happen? Or the administration that thought it was a good idea to let disabled kids play in a non disabled league? This whole thing was easily avoidable but the losing team chose not to forfeit and got their ass kicked.

I don't care if its girls or not, if you decide to play any sport you accept the possibility of getting your ass kick. You either cry about it or try not to let it happen ever again. I remember in Pee Wee watching my team get throttled and our entire team cried.

My father told me I had to choices if I was going to always cry when I lose keeping crying and eventually quit or be a leader to my team and practice harder. Which one do you think would benefit people more? Crying about it and having people encouraging that behavior or rising above it?

Those are all fine points. I believe the losing school has some explaining to do as to why they subjected kids to this on a yearly basis. Why the league allowed a school of disabled kids to get embarrassed on a nightly basis. You have to wonder if there could have been other ways for the kids to enjoy high school sports against competition at their own level.

The issue is whether it's sportsmanlike to put up 100 points on a school of disabled kids just because you can. When I was in high school, we we're a fairly good team in the state. We had a few games a year that were absolute massacres in which we'd win by 40-50 points.

In each one of those games, I remember that we were instructed to hold the ball just past the midstripe and stand there for a minute or until they put pressure on us. When they did, we'd pass it around past the 3-point line for a minute or so. Most teams that were down by 40 were just conceding and didn't put much pressure. There were times when we sat and ran off the last 3-5 minutes of the game. We called off any press we were running. Now none of that was done to "avoid injuries" or "run out the clock". These were inferior teams. Teams that were superior to us would do the same thing. It was sportsmanship, nothing more.

I remember having a baseball coach who would tell everyone in the dugout to not steal or bunt for a hit when we were up big. I suspect most kids who played high school ball has heard that before too. I guess I'm just astonished that a few of you never came across these aspects of the game when growing up.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I hate the word ignorant, so I will tell you this.

You are a fucking fool and an idiot.

If they take a knee because it is "sporting" why do they only do it when the other team has no time outs left and can't stop the clock?

I have never in my life seen an NFL team take a knee when there was a chance for the other team to get the ball back with more then 20 seconds left.

It is a part of the strategy of the game, why do you think it becamse FAR more prominant after the Herm Edwards fiasco?

like I said earlier, I'm done discussing it with you, I was being cordial agreeing to disagree, but I don't appreciate being called ignorant.

Typically when there is more than 20 seconds left to give the other team you run halfback dives with your backup running backs. It is done so that you don't embarrass the other team. The backups being in the game is so that injury is of no concern.

Earlier this year USC played Washington State. They led 41-0 at the half and it wasn't even close. USC threw the ball 1 time in the 2nd half (0 in the 4th quarter). Now this surely wasn't because they felt Washington State was going to mount a heroic comeback. And since they were playing 3rd and 4th string players, it certainly wasn't about injuries. So is Pete Carroll a liberal pussy or just a bad football coach?

Your whole argument has been that sportsmanship has no factor in any level of sports. That shows such a complete lack of intelligence for sports that it's hard to imagine you watch or have ever participated in athletics. I used the word ignorant because I was hoping you just didn't have a strong background in sports. I figured it was better than assuming you were a complete moron. I guess I was wrong.

[RainMaker]

And high school basketball is only 8 minute quarters. You really have to try to score 100 points in a game. Especially considering there is no shot clock in most states.

Does anyone know if Texas as a running clock rule? It essentially runs the clock during ball stoppages and fouls. Usually implemented if a team is up by a certain amount at halftime or the 3rd quarter.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

No. We aren't talking about winning and losing, we're talking about running up the score. Are NFL players and coaches pussies for taking a knee at the end of games? Are baseball players pussies for not stealing with a 10 run lead?

To constitute not running up the score with being pussies who don't want to keep score shows an ignorance to what is going on in sports.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Typically when there is more than 20 seconds left to give the other team you run halfback dives with your backup running backs. It is done so that you don't embarrass the other team. The backups being in the game is so that injury is of no concern.

Earlier this year USC played Washington State. They led 41-0 at the half and it wasn't even close. USC threw the ball 1 time in the 2nd half (0 in the 4th quarter). Now this surely wasn't because they felt Washington State was going to mount a heroic comeback. And since they were playing 3rd and 4th string players, it certainly wasn't about injuries. So is Pete Carroll a liberal pussy or just a bad football coach?

Your whole argument has been that sportsmanship has no factor in any level of sports. That shows such a complete lack of intelligence for sports that it's hard to imagine you watch or have ever participated in athletics. I used the word ignorant because I was hoping you just didn't have a strong background in sports. I figured it was better than assuming you were a complete moron. I guess I was wrong.

You were the one that bought up the NFL, not me. find one spot in this thread where I mentioned sportsmanship has no factor in any level of sports?

You can't, but your to stupid to realize I was telling you that I don't agree with your reasoning why NFL coaches take a knee at the end of a game. You are hearing what you want to hear.

As for a strong sports background I played sports my whole life, including going to England to play soccer for a junior team when I was 14 ( where we got whipped BTW, still one of the best experiences of my life) and getting accepted to college on an athletic scolarship.

Go read the thread again, maybe you will realize how thick you really are.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Lathum doesn't believe teams take knees as sportsmanship. He doesn't believe teams run out the clock out of sportsmanship.

I can't believe I'm getting into this, but coaches in the NFL take knees to run out the clock and avoid fumbles. It has nothing to do with sportsmanship, and only a small amount to do with injuries. It's about winning the game in the most assured way possible.

[Raiders Army]

All I get from this is Lathum is trying to win an argument about the NFL so he'll win the argument about girls' high school basketball.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

All I get from this is Lathum is trying to win an argument about the NFL so he'll win the argument about girls' high school basketball.

one has nothing to do with the other RA, look at the posts I bolded above, I wasn't the one who made the NFL comparason, it was rainmaker.

I was just telling him that I don't agree with his opinion that NFL teams take a knee out of sportsmanship.

My opinions about the girls basketball game are a totaly seperate issue.

In fact, I even tried to end the argument by agreeing to disagree, he was the one who kept it going by calling me ignorant.

[RendeR]

The sad thing is people outside the game (the BB game) couldn't keep their mouths shut and their personal whining to themselves.

Who cares what the score was? honestly? One team was demonstrably better than the other. The score is fucking irrelevent.

yes its humiliating to lose 100-0, you know what? tough shit. WTF has this country come to that we have to coddle and protect every fucking child from dissapointment or humiliation? Overcoming these things is what makes people stronger individuals with some internal fortitude.

If they didn't like the way the coach managed the game then the school takes it up with him afterward. They don't pander to the bitching of the other school just to "make nice" its fucking retarded.

Part of the reason they play the games is so the kids learn to overcome adversity, they weren't in the same league as the other school, so you punish the other school? No, You bust your asses and get better.


*puke*


Ok, got that out, now I don't have to sit here and shoke it all down any longer. my Manhood has been apeased.

Frankly, I think its all overblown. The kids won't give a shit about this in another 6 months, the only way it gets to be this much of a story is because of the parents and schools pandering to the squeaky wheels and the media is running with it because they have nothing better to print atm.

Seriously, wtf difference does a class nothing christian school conference basketball game matter? Why must it be made so important?

Their 15 minutes of fame is up.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

one has nothing to do with the other RA, look at the posts I bolded above, I wasn't the one who made the NFL comparason, it was rainmaker.

I was just telling him that I don't agree with his opinion that NFL teams take a knee out of sportsmanship.

My opinions about the girls basketball game are a totaly seperate issue.

In fact, I even tried to end the argument by agreeing to disagree, he was the one who kept it going by calling me ignorant.

Then a lot of people in the NFL would disagree with you. I remember the Patriots getting a ton of crap from the media and other players for "running up the score". Apparently some in the NFL and the media felt that there was some form of sportsmanship involved in the game.

Taking a knee was just one example. Yes it's done to stop something crazy from happening in a close game. But it's also done in games that aren't close, and it's something I would consider sportsmanlike to avoid running up the score. I don't believe in doing it with 5 minutes left in the game, but I do believe running the ball the rest of the game when up by 5 scores is sportsmanlike.

I have one simple question. When a team is up by 40+ points, why do they choose to run the ball the rest of the game? There is no reason to run out clock since sportsmanship is not a factor at all in your mind. Neither is losing the game which is an impossibility. There has to be some logical reason they are running the ball every down.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

There has to be some logical reason they are running the ball every down.

Originally Posted by Lathum

If you have a big lead in football the goal is to finish the game as fast as possible without anyone getting injured. You do that by running the ball and the in the last 2 minutes, when the other team has no timeouts left, taking a knee.

I already posted why

thank you for proving my point that you are only seeing what you want to see.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I have one simple question. When a team is up by 40+ points, why do they choose to run the ball the rest of the game? There is no reason to run out clock since sportsmanship is not a factor at all in your mind. Neither is losing the game which is an impossibility. There has to be some logical reason they are running the ball every down.

Because running the ball keeps the clock moving and gets them closer to the end of the game. The object in the NFL is to win. You do that in the most efficient manner possible and then you get back into the dressing room. It isn't because you'd feel bad scoring another TD; if a running back sees a hole he's going to hit at 100% and run over any safeties in his way, if he can. I don't believe most coaches give 2 seconds of thought to it. They just pound the rock and watch the clock so that they can hit the tunnel as fast as possible with another W in their pocket.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I already posted why

thank you for proving my point that you are only seeing what you want to see.

You are playing your backups, injuries are inconsequential at that point. There are also tons of examples of this happening in championship or final games of the season where injuries don't matter.

And why were so many players and members of the media getting upset about the Patriots running up the score? Were they angry that Bellichek was potentially submitting his backups to injury? For a league that sportsmanship is not in, it seems a lot were upset at the Patriots lack of last season.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

Because running the ball keeps the clock moving and gets them closer to the end of the game. The object in the NFL is to win. You do that in the most efficient manner possible and then you get back into the dressing room. It isn't because you'd feel bad scoring another TD; if a running back sees a hole he's going to hit at 100% and run over any safeties in his way, if he can. I don't believe most coaches give 2 seconds of thought to it. They just pound the rock and watch the clock so that they can hit the tunnel as fast as possible with another W in their pocket.

I don't believe coaches care much either. But when a game is completely out of hand, I believe a coach will avoid embarrassing the other team. Going into a vanilla running offense, calling off blitzes, punting when you could kick a long field goal are just some examples.