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Pop is still very strong in Britain, it is still acceptable to be called 'a pop band' here without loosing all credibility. New bands like Keane (very popular, but I don't really like them) and Franz Ferdinand (who are really, stonkingly, terrific) actually activley cultivate the label 'pop band'. But then Britain has always had a strong pop tradition from The Beatles to Bowie to Oasis to Coldplay. |
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Waterloo maybe? And I had been thinking Infatuation for Stewart (excellent, excellent video too ). And I'll give a thumbs up to Sister Goldenhair. Quote:
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Paperback Writer - The Beatles When I think of classic 60's pop, that is the exact sound I think of. The Beatles post-boy band stage, but pre-experimental 'serious rock band' stage. Last edited by mordhiem : 06-16-2004 at 11:54 PM. |
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OK, I'll nominate some. "Planet Love", the Dylans "Feed the Tree", Belly "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead", XTC "Dreams", The Cranberries "Here's Where the Story Ends", The Sundays "When the Stars Go Blue", The Corrs with Bono "Hell", Squirrel Nut Zippers "Zoot Suit Riot", Cherry Poppin' Daddys Not from the 90s or later, but a couple that haven't been mentioned yet: "Balloon Man", Robyn Hitchcock "September Gurls", Big Star |
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ABBA's Waterloo absolutely rocks. I'm also a big fan of Take a Chance on Me, which is more in keeping with their pop tradition.
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QS, I'm pretty much in complete agreement with you as to what would qualify as a pop song and what wouldn't. I agree that "Billie Jean" is probably too serious to be considered, and I also think that "Don't stop til you get enough" is probably MJ's best submission for this topic. But I would still consider "Beat It" to be a pretty good one as well. Were you saying it was too serious as well? I don't know that it really matters, just curious.
For Hall & Oates, I would submit "Maneater." I'm a pretty big fan of "Come on Eileen." I think that's my favorite of the ones mentioned so far. |
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I think the pure pop style of music has been pretty much moved to the smaller labels, but it's certainly still being performed by groups like the Shins and the Apples in Stereo, Mates of State, GBV, etc. etc. but it just fails to really fulfill the whole 'popular' part. On the other hand most popular music today seems to go through so much genre mashing that it's hard to classify as true pop. I am sad enough to admit to actually liking more than a handful of neuvo-soul/pop by the likes of Usher, Ginuiwine and Timberlake, but I really wouldn't classify as either 'pop' or 'great'. However, I'm COMPLETELY SURE that I would've had the same complaints you voiced above about 95% of the 80s songs we've mentioned here at the time or soon after. Some of the stuff we hate now might sound great in ten years if you let it stand on it's own. Likewise, don't give 60s pop groups too much credit...a lot of these guys are great bands and great songwriters, but were even more reliant on producers, session musicians, and someone else's words and music than the groops today. I think it was a law in the 60s that you had to record at least three Beatles songs on every record produced. |
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Joe Jackson - Steppin' Out.
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That's a GREAT one! Elvis Costello also has some songs that should be considered, I'd go with 'Radio' myself. |
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I pretty much agree with this. However, are we returning to pop with people/acts like the Spice Girls, Brittany Spears, NSync, Back Street Boyz, Christina Aguilera, and more recently Hillary Duff and Raven Simone. I guess you could consider this the "Disney movement". (Can't you tell I have pre-teen/new-teen daughters.) Wouldn't they be considered the essence of pop? I'd contend that we don't mention them because they are like poison (oooh, there's a pop hair band for you - Cherry Pie, She's Only 17) to us since a lot of us grew up with pop music of the 80's and it is therefore a trip down memory lane (an acid trip for some, I'm sure). However, I'm pretty sure Brittany Spears has a song or two that belongs in this thread, whether we like it or not.
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Warrant sang "Cherry Pie."
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Dola - Also I think the movement of the record labels to grunge in the early to mid 90's (Pearl Jam, Nirvannah, Stone Temple Pilots, etc.) and later to hip hop kinda changed the idea of what was 'popular'. To me, hip hop is the new pop.
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Trivia note: This song was performed by the Archies after the Monkees declined to record it. Written, I believe, by the song writing team of Boyce and Hart (featured in a Bewitched episode) who wrote the majority of the Monkees tunes. Monkees also get a perpetual bad rap. They were what they were, a made-for-TV pop group that did play their own instruments at the end and did make some catchy and engaging pop tunes that still stand up today. |
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Probably says too much about me, but my absolute favorite of all time. Great video. |
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I dunno... isn't this always how it works when people are asked to name "great" anything? Anything that hasn't been declared old is somehow a sophomoric selection, it shows you aren't refined and don't have enough appreciation for "the old stuff." How about "Two Princes" by the Spin Doctors? I'm right on the border between liking and hating the song, but it has a lot of the elements of a good pop record. |
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Another song with a tie to Michael Jackson (and of course, the Hollies): Rockin' Robin.
(hmm, the Hollies are a pretty decent band for this; also Peggy Sue, Just One Look, and my favorite of theirs, Long Cool Woman). edit: ok, maybe not Peggy Sue. That website was wrong!! And I believed them!!!
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That song is pretty catchy, just not my style. On the first point, just to show I've got an appreciation for the old stuff...and I don't think this one's been mentioned yet, but I could be wrong...how about Pretty Woman?
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for the 90s
how about Laid? (might be too complex) I think you might have to look to bands like EMF, The Soup Dragons, Jesus Jones, etc to get what you are looking for.
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I don't think so. There are plenty of power pop-type bands writing perfect pop songs that no one hears. Again, I don't think a song needs to be popular in order to qualify as a great pop song.
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I could rattle off long list of obscure or semi obscure pop music from the 90s. I don't think that is what the thread orginaly called for.
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If they are great pop songs, how does that not fit the original definition as described by QS? I see nothing that suggests the songs have to be chart-toppers or any such criteria.
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Some more recent fare:
"Kiss Me" by Six Pence None the Richer "Breathless" by The Corrs (which is simply an awesome song IMO) That fast song by the Bare Naked Ladies, I think it's something like "Three Days"
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"Jack and Diane" by John Cougar Mellencamp?
"Glory Days" by Bruce Springsteen?
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Hasn't John Lennon's "Imagine" been voted best pop song of all time several times?
My own choice is "A Whiter Shade of Pale" by Procol Harlem.
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"Imagine" may have been voted best pop song, but I wouldn't think it would qualify by the standards that have been put up here. I like "A Whiter Shade of Pale." |
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So, do the song lyrics have to make sesnse? If so, then as pointed out already, that leaves out Duran Duran, but they have some of the catchiest hooks/beats. Reflex being a great one, Wild Boys, New Moon on Monday being a couple of others.
Their slower songs come the closest to acually have lyrics that make sense. Songs like Save A Prayer, Ordinary World and Come Undone. |
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"Dance to the Music" Sly and the Family Stone
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Yes, that is correct. Chart-topping or popularity were not among the original criteria. Go on and list as many obscure, unheard by everybody but you pop songs. There should be some great discussion about em. Err.... -zums |
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I've just discovered Franz Ferdinand and absolutley love "Take Me Out". Great guitar riff and love the tempo shift midway through the song. Good tune. Haven't had a chance to listen to much of there other stuff, but so far I like what I've heard. Sorry to threadjack. Carry on. |
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Any way you want it That’s the way you need it Any way you want it She loves to laugh She loves to sing She does everything She loves to move She loves to grove She loves the lovin’ things Ooh, all night, all night Oh, every night So hold tight, hold tight Ooh, baby, hold tight Oh, she said, Any way you want it That’s the way you need it Any way you want it She said, any way you want it That’s the way you need it Any way you want it I was alone I never knew What good love could do Ooh, then we touched Then we sang About the lovin’ things Ooh, all night, all night Oh, every night So hold tight, hold tight Ooh baby, hold tight Oh, she said, Any way you want it That’s the way you need it Any way you want it She said, any way you want it That’s the way you need it Any way you want it Okay, I admit it. I love Journey. I have nearly all their albums and have slowly replaced them with CDs. Time for me to crawl back into my hole.
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You're not alone, my friend. Quik's example of a pop "record," Don't Stop Believin', is a great example of pop music (although not a pop "song", per his definition). Since we've already diverged a bit from submitting just strictly-defined pop songs, here's another Journey submission from a somewhat ashamed fan: Journey - Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' You make me weep and wanna die Just when you said we’d try Lovin’, touchin’, squeezin’ each other When I’m alone all by myself You’re out with someone else Lovin’, touchin’, squeezin’ each other You’re tearin’ me apart Every day, every day You’re tearin’ me apart Oh what can I say? You’re tearin’ me apart It won’t be long, yes till you’re alone When your lover, oh, he hasn’t come home Cause he’s lovin’ oo, he’s touchin’, He’s squeezin’ another He’s tearin’ you apart Every day, every day He’s tearin’ you apart Oh girl what can you say? Cause he’s lovin’, touchin’ another Now it’s your turn, girl to cry Na na na na na na Na na na na na Na na na na na na Na na na na na |
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The definition of a great pop song has changed over the decades, during tin pan alley times lyrics were probably a lot more important than they were in the 1960's-1990's. During the big band era lyrics were often secondary to a hooky melody (and a driving beat didn't hurt). The music factories of the 50's, 60's and 70's seemed to be going for similar things from a great pop song in those days: big hooky choruses that repeated ad nauseum, and that mainstream (AKA pop) song writing strategy continues today. To ensure popularity among youth (wasn't that always the target of pop music? I think so) each era must include some current musical references so that the music does not sound like the youth's parents version of pop music. In the swing era the rocking beat set those pop songs apart from the previous generations, in the 1950's and early 60's the R&B music influences in pop would make the big band loving parent declare that Pat Boone pop was nothing but noise. The later 1960's pop tended to have either drug references or some trippy musical instrument or sound (eg: tremelo in crimson & clover vox). Later 1970's and early 80's pop often had new wave or heavy metal influences, and 1990's+ pop has a mix of house, rap, electronic influences to fool some kiddies (the ones that go for pop music) into thinking these songs are their music, even though the pop song structure and arrangements resemble the same pop songs from 1962.
That being said, my fave pop from various era's... 1950's: Doo Wop hits 1960's: Motown factory hits & Brill building songs 1970's: Cars & Reservoir Dogs soundtrack 1980's: Too embarrased to admit even to strangers. 1990's-now: Stopped listening to 'pure' pop music, but enjoy pop-influenced non-mainstream music. Not to be cool but because it's generally much better, IMO. |
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[quote=Buzzbee]I pretty much agree with this. However, are we returning to pop with people/acts like the Spice Girls, Brittany Spears, NSync, Back Street Boyz, Christina Aguilera, and more recently Hillary Duff and Raven Simone. I guess you could consider this the "Disney movement". (Can't you tell I have pre-teen/new-teen daughters.)
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2-Pac -- "Holler if Ya Hear Me" Marvin Gaye -- "I Heard it Through the Grapevine" The Temptations -- "Can't Get Next to You" Prince -- "Seven" (not that I have any idea what it means, but it sounds like something S. T. Coleridge might've written) |
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My very favorite and most influential genre has been the folk/pop movement coming out of the 60s and reaching its peak in the early-mid 70s. This has influenced not only those seeking alternatives to acid rock but also profoundly caused a radical shift (and schism) among Christians with the Jesus Movement (which I identify with very closely). I believe there were several ancestors to this (from pure folk, country, gospel, etc.) that gave rise to the "coffee-house" singers of the 60s which then migrated to the "back-to-nature" singers and bands of the 70s. My (and my wife's) main love of this music, as I had expressed a while back, has focused on John Denver, even back to his early days in the LA coffee-houses and the Chad Mitchell Trio. With that, I submit Rocky Mountain High as a pop classic.
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Eminem's The Real Slim Shady is a very good example of the modern 'pop' song. The song has a very recognizeable beat and the chorus is very catchy. It was the song that propelled his album into the number 1 rap album of all time.
May I have your attention please? May I have your attention please? Will the real Slim Shady please stand up? I repeat, will the real Slim Shady please stand up? We're gonna have a problem here.. Y'all act like you never seen a white person before Jaws all on the floor like Pam, like Tommy just burst in the door and started whoopin her ass worse than before they first were divorce, throwin her over furniture (Ahh!) It's the return of the... "Ah, wait, no way, you're kidding, he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?" And Dr. Dre said... nothing you idiots! Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement! (Ha-ha!) Feminist women love Eminem {*vocal turntable: chigga chigga chigga*} "Slim Shady, I'm sick of him Look at him, walkin around grabbin his you-know-what Flippin the you-know-who," "Yeah, but he's so cute though!" Yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose But no worse, than what's goin on in your parents' bedrooms Sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose, but can't but it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose "My bum is on your lips, my bum is on your lips" And if I'm lucky, you might just give it a little kiss And that's the message that we deliver to little kids And expect them not to know what a woman's clitoris is Of course they gonna know what intercourse is By the time they hit fourth grade They got the Discovery Channel don't they? "We ain't nothing but mammals.." Well, some of us cannibals who cut other people open like cantaloupes {*SLURP*} But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope {*EWWW!*} But if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote Women wave your pantyhose, sing the chorus and it goes Chorus: Eminem (repeat 2X) I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady All you other Slim Shadys are just imitating So won't the real Slim Shady please stand up, please stand up, please stand up? [Eminem] Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell his records; well I do, so fuck him and fuck you too! You think I give a damn about a Grammy? Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me "But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?" Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here? So you can, sit me here next to Britney Spears? Shit, Christina Aguilera better switch me chairs so I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst and hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first You little bitch, put me on blast on MTV "Yeah, he's cute, but I think he's married to Kim, hee-hee!" I should download her audio on MP3 and show the whole world how you gave Eminem VD {*AHHH!*} I'm sick of you little girl and boy groups, all you do is annoy me so I have been sent here to destroy you {*bzzzt*} And there's a million of us just like me who cuss like me; who just don't give a fuck like me who dress like me; walk, talk and act like me and just might be the next best thing but not quite me! Chorus [Eminem] I'm like a head trip to listen to, cause I'm only givin you things you joke about with your friends inside your living room The only difference is I got the balls to say it in front of y'all and I don't gotta be false or sugarcoated at all I just get on the mic and spit it and whether you like to admit it {*ERR*} I just shit it better than ninety percent of you rappers out can Then you wonder how can kids eat up these albums like valiums It's funny; cause at the rate I'm goin when I'm thirty I'll be the only person in the nursin home flirting Pinchin nurses asses when I'm jackin off with Jergens And I'm jerkin but this whole bag of Viagra isn't working And every single person is a Slim Shady lurkin He could be workin at Burger King, spittin on your onion rings {*HACH*} Or in the parkin lot, circling Screaming "I don't give a fuck!" with his windows down and his system up So, will the real Shady please stand up? And put one of those fingers on each hand up? And be proud to be outta your mind and outta control and one more time, loud as you can, how does it go? Chorus 2X [Eminem] Ha ha Guess there's a Slim Shady in all of us Fuck it, let's all stand up
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A Smokey Robinson tune-Probably Tears of a Clown My Girl-The Temptations Paperback Writer-Beatles Two Princes-Spin Doctors And because I'm listening to it right now and think it may be the perfect pop song: No Rain-Blind Melon Cool lyrics, great music and a catchy tune. Last edited by lcjjdnh : 06-19-2004 at 02:32 PM. |
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"Kiss on My List" by Hall & Oates
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Bananarama: Venus Bangles: Walk Like An Egyptian Ace of Base: Beautiful Life Aqua: Barbie Girl Roxette: The Look
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