2024 NFL Season Thread

[CrimsonFox]

That was some lovely detroit offense and defense there.

[thesloppy]

This all looks like classic Lions

[Ksyrup]

Best call of the night was Stafford taking heads, it looks like.

[thesloppy]

Montgomery went beast mode at the end there.

[CrimsonFox]

WOW Montgomery is a MONSTER! Pick him up now if he's avaialble!

[weegeebored]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Odunze is a good pick. You can't pass up that kind of value. The issue is they didn't use their massive cap space to sign competent offensive linemen. There were centers available at relatively cheap prices, but we needed to spend money on Gerald Everett for some fucking reason.

My point it that they didn't need a WR this year. Are there no good ones in next year's draft class? So for this year Oduze was a bad pick when it was clear that the lines needed help. That #9 pick was worth a lot to some teams especially with Odunze still on the board. A smart GM would have made a deal.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

This all looks like classic Lions

Is this sarcasm of some kind? Or...I'm just not sure how to read statements like this anymore

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by Jstraub

No Offense but throwing 200 passes to your kids (with nobody trying to hurt you) is not the same as having, at minimum, three large and fast men trying to hurt you while throwing.

I agree QB play looks sloppy but lets not get carried away here... The QB position is not easy to play.

I think it’s too early to make definitive judgement on anything for another week or two at least: one less preseason game, starters barely played and a Sunday gap means players are severely undercooked.

[stevew]

Seems like the Giants or panthers have a reasonable shot at not winning any games. The Raiders as well.

[CrimsonFox]

So how's that round 1 draft pick shaking out, atlanta?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

So how's that round 1 draft pick shaking out, atlanta?

If they keep losing, probably pretty good. I imagine if the playoffs seem far off they will play Penix. Hell, he may give them the best shot at winning right now if the line is really as bad as people in this thread say it is. Cousins was never mobile and is coming off an injury that will likely make him even less so.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by AlexB

I think it’s too early to make definitive judgement on anything for another week or two at least: one less preseason game, starters barely played and a Sunday gap means players are severely undercooked.

We can draw some immediate conclusions (Chiefs will be good, Panthers will suck etc) but I agree with the general point. I know the old cliche is that certain QBs can roll out of bed and put 300+ yards, but no. These guys still need to play at least a three quarters of preseason football. That is now happening during the first 2-3 weeks of the regular season instead of games two and three of the preseason.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

These guys still need to play at least a three quarters of preseason football. That is now happening during the first 2-3 weeks of the regular season instead of games two and three of the preseason.

If a coach really isn't getting his team ready for the regular season and you are taking losses for it why wouldn't an owner move on from that coach? His job during the pre-season should be getting the team ready for the regular season. If he fails that then he has failed that portion of the season.

[albionmoonlight]

Wow, not just Tyreek… Now Deshaun Watson was arrested while on his way to Cleveland Browns stadium. pic.twitter.com/6Ckwmlc0ic

— Zachary Smith (@ZacharySmithPGH) September 8, 2024

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If they keep losing, probably pretty good. I imagine if the playoffs seem far off they will play Penix. Hell, he may give them the best shot at winning right now if the line is really as bad as people in this thread say it is. Cousins was never mobile and is coming off an injury that will likely make him even less so.

The line is what they are. They are a great if not elite run blocking group. They are mediocre at best in pass blocking. The RT is just too big and slow to handle a great speed rusher like Watts, and the coach for some unexplained reason stopped using the blocking TE to help slow him down in the second half.

As for Cousins, I'm starting to feel like there is a combination of not wanting him to move much with the fact that according to Vikings fans he has always been a slow starter. He doesn't play well when uncomfortable, and that game was probably peak uncomfortable. Hopefully he settles in and they can figure out a way to get him in a better comfort zone. If not, about game 4-5 we might be seeing Penix.


edit: Just to add, if Penix does start they may need to rejigger the line as well. That would make the worst pass blocker his blindside linemen. I think they will have to replace McGary some how.

[albionmoonlight]

Brady/Brees gave us unrealistic expectations of QB longevity.

Maybe a 36 year old QB coming off an Achilles tear just isn't able to play at a high NFL level anymore. That's not a crazy outcome.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, curious to see how the 40yo coming off one does tonight.

[QuikSand]

Are we worried about Burrow and the Bengals? Or is this just their traditional slow start?

[flere-imsaho]

Depends. I saw a number of sources report that his wrist was still bothering him. If that's true, then I'd definitely be concerned. But without that I think I'd give it another week or two before panicking.

[cuervo72]

I lose a bit of confidence in a QB who bleaches his hair, or frosts his tips or whatever is going on there.

[Drake]

A couple of observations from the games I was able to catch this weekend:

1. The crowd energy for the Brazil game was weird and often incongruous to the point of being distracting. Sort of like the crowd energy from Americans watching soccer...where most spectators can sort of tell when something positive has happened, but they're not 100% sure if it was impressive or not.

2. I didn't look up who the referee was from the Lions game last night, but he was cracking me up all night by somehow suggesting through world-weary tone and body language that they weren't just penalties, but some variety of moral failure on the part of the participants. I would happily watch him referee every game for the rest of the season.

Edit: Apparently the ref's name is Adrian Hill, and he's also a rocket scientist. https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/ne...-field-latest/

[cuervo72]

Oh, watching the Brazil game was really getting my wife annoyed. The sound mix was off, so much of the time it was tough to hear what the announcers were saying. Part of that was probably the crowd doing whatever they were doing, but also the PA announcer was LOUD and far too noticable.

On the crowd, I told my wife that they are used to soccer where nothing happens for 95% of the game so they kind of have to keep themselves occupied with chants and sing alongs and annoying musical instruments and the like.

(Seriously -- I do not GET the whole soccer anthem thing. Like, who the hell goes to a sporting event to sing show tunes? WTF is that about??)

[Ksyrup]

It's like watching a Japanese baseball game. Just relax, eat a hotdog, drink a beer and enjoy the game. The moments of frenzy are actually few and far between.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If a coach really isn't getting his team ready for the regular season and you are taking losses for it why wouldn't an owner move on from that coach? His job during the pre-season should be getting the team ready for the regular season. If he fails that then he has failed that portion of the season.

Depends on how much the owner believes one loss means the coach did not have the team ready for the regular season.

[Ksyrup]

In the case of the Bengals specifically, assuming a Week 2 loss to KC, the Bengals will have started 0-2 in 5 seasons and 1-1 in 1 season under Zac Taylor.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

“Let’s get rid of our good QB and trade a bunch of assets for a bad QB and give him a fully guaranteed contract.”

“Hmmm. Tempting. Do you have anything more to seal the deal?”

“He’s also a sex pest.”

“Sold!”

The Watson debacle requires some over the top, extreme accountability panel, trial or something. Everyone on the football side needs to explain why they should not be banned from making football decisions again and for the owners from owning the team. Nothing about this signing has been a positive for anyone or anything besides Watson's bank account.

[stevew]

The Steelers punter is out for the season and I have to think that’s worth at least a half loss or more.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

The Watson debacle requires some over the top, extreme accountability panel, trial or something. Everyone on the football side needs to explain why they should not be banned from making football decisions again and for the owners from owning the team. Nothing about this signing has been a positive for anyone or anything besides Watson's bank account.

I dunno, Watson at least was at one point a quality QB. Yes the sex pest stuff is distasteful, but he’s at least done it on the field. Daniel Jones never has been an above average QB.

That contract and then doubling down when in position to take the QB of the future and move on is unforgivable IMO.

[Ksyrup]

Didn't Watson miss 2 full seasons, or something close to that, when they traded for him?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Didn't Watson miss 2 full seasons, or something close to that, when they traded for him?

I don't think so.

He missed 1 full season (held out) in HOU. THEN they traded for him and then he missed 11 more games while suspended by the league.

So he missed nearly two full seasons, split between HOU & CLE i.e. before AND after the trade

[RainMaker]

Odunze getting an MRI on his knee today. Brutal news if it's serious.

[CrimsonFox]

This is pretty specific

Deshaun Watson is sued for sexual assault and battery - NBC Sports

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Didn't Watson miss 2 full seasons, or something close to that, when they traded for him?

Before yesterday, he had only played in 12 games total over the previous 3 seasons

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If they keep losing, probably pretty good. I imagine if the playoffs seem far off they will play Penix. Hell, he may give them the best shot at winning right now if the line is really as bad as people in this thread say it is. Cousins was never mobile and is coming off an injury that will likely make him even less so.

I mean the fact that they could have had an excellent player to actually HELP COusins like a lineman, WR, or back

[RainMaker]

I guess the question for the Browns is how long do you stick with Watson this year? The team around him is really good and they don't need a lot of help. Jameis makes some bad decisions, but he's also willing to throw down field which that offense desperately needs.

[GrantDawg]

"I mean the fact that they could have had an excellent player to actually HELP COusins like a lineman, WR, or back"
There was zero chance they would have used that pick in any of those. It would have been a defensive lineman. They have top ten picks at wr, rb, and te. The whole offensive line are first and second round picks. They aren't lacking talent on offense. They are lacking quarterback play. That was what Cousins was supposed to bring and what Penix brings in the future.

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[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Yeah, curious to see how the 40yo coming off one does tonight.

I had to let my twin brother, a Jets fan, know that i hoped his starting QB lasted more than 4 plays this season, being the kind thoughtful twin that i am.

[CrimsonFox]

So did anyone compile a list of how rookies and players on new teams did?

[Ksyrup]

OK, I don't need to be RFK Jr. to smell a ripe conspiracy theory. Watson's albatross contract + continuing poor play + horrible Week 1 loss + Browns kept 4 QBs out of training camp = they had this lawsuit in their back pocket just ready to give the signal to drop, right?

Do we know whether he's got a morals clause or anything related to additional lawsuits/accusations that would allow them to rescind his contract or claw back some/most of the signing bonus?

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I don't think so.

He missed 1 full season (held out) in HOU. THEN they traded for him and then he missed 11 more games while suspended by the league.

So he missed nearly two full seasons, split between HOU & CLE i.e. before AND after the trade

So yeah, he missed something close to 2 full seasons.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

So did anyone compile a list of how rookies and players on new teams did?

Marvin Harrison Jr shouldn’t get fitted for a gold jacket yet.

[Ksyrup]

Bo Nix averaged 3.3 YPA on 42 attempts, the 6th lowest YPA of a QB with 40 or more attempts since the invention of the wheel, or something like that. So there's a rookie stat for you.

[GrantDawg]

"Do we know whether he's got a morals clause or anything related to additional lawsuits/accusations that would allow them to rescind his contract or claw back some/most of the signing bonus?"

According to Mike Florio, yes.

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[Ksyrup]

Keeping 4 QBs out of camp makes this hella suspicious, IMO.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Bo Nix averaged 3.3 YPA on 42 attempts, the 6th lowest YPA of a QB with 40 or more attempts since the invention of the wheel, or something like that. So there's a rookie stat for you.

[Lathum]

I am certain I said it somewhere on this board and I know I've said it in person several times. Bo Nix literally can not throw the ball downfield. Literally every pass at Oregon was a 3 yard out and their freakish athletes did the rest.

[CrimsonFox]

wow I forgot about Rodgers. Didn't realize he was well. He's looking fantastic. Calm centered. Not panicking. Not scrambling. That was a great drive.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am certain I said it somewhere on this board and I know I've said it in person several times. Bo Nix literally can not throw the ball downfield. Literally every pass at Oregon was a 3 yard out and their freakish athletes did the rest.

Perfect fit for Payton then, because Nix looked like a much cheaper, faster version of Russell Wilson yesterday. He forgot about the freakish athlete part, but in fairness to Payton, his hands are tied with 20% of their payroll still tied up in Wilson.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I dunno, Watson at least was at one point a quality QB. Yes the sex pest stuff is distasteful, but he’s at least done it on the field. Daniel Jones never has been an above average QB.

That contract and then doubling down when in position to take the QB of the future and move on is unforgivable IMO.

After dealing with the likes of Pat Schumur, Joe Judge etc. Jones went 9-6-1 and won a playoff game under a new head coach/offensive genius of the day before the Giants signed him to his current contract. It was definitely a mistake but it is not that egregious for a team to resign their top 5 draft pick who is a QB after that sort of season. They can also get out of their mistake at the end of this season for a $22,210,000 dead cap hit as far as I could tell. It did probably cost the Giants their QB of the future but there will be another QB of the future next year or the year after that because there is always a QB of the future and that team might be bad enough to get one. Or maybe they will find a 40 year HOFer who wants to also play in that stadium. You just hope he is better than Jones. That is not ideal but I feel that is far from being unforgivable.

Watson missed an entire year before he went to Cleveland. He was someone else's pick. You could also say that giving up what they did in draft capital also cost them a chance to get their QB of the future with . The Browns can not get out of their mistake at the end of the season because they nor can any team can't survive the $172,770,000 cap hit if they let Watson go. The Chiefs can get off of Mahomes' contract with just a $77,838,045 hit. That is unforgivable.

[Solecismic]

I don't get the Daniel Jones thing at all. He does not move the chains. He has never moved the chains. If you're OK with that, Carson Wentz is a better choice.

At least Deshaun Watson showed a lot of promise before he melted down in Houston, but instead of being happy getting paid with a good second contract, he wanted out and that's not leadership.

The Texans were more than happy to get a king's ransom for him and they're set up to be good for quite a while if Stroud keeps progressing.

The Browns... who knows if yesterday was a fair test. The Cowboys can torture quarterbacks and make just about anyone look bad. But if Watson really is still that bad, or close, they cannot get out from that contract. Not now, not next year, really not at all.

Too early to worry about the newbies, but Bo Nix and Caleb Williams both really struggled to do much of anything.