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Old 02-27-2010, 02:35 AM   #101
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I'd like the game to come with a second 2010 MLB setup that just has AAA, AA, and A squads for each team. All those rookie, fall league, etc. teams that make it add up to 6-7 per team are a pain imo plus they slow down the sim speed.

I always have to spend time moving the players on those minor league teams with promising futures to the minor league teams I'm keeping before simming the first game.

Another thing I'd love to see in the game would be a contraction draft, so the worst teams could draft first from a pool of players from teams I want to delete (I like having the same number of teams in each league so I usually get rid of two MLB teams and make it 14 in both AL and NL. It could also be fun to use in a fictional league to simulate some massive financial crash or something). It'd be a lot better than making them all free agents.

I'm looking forward to the game, it gets a lot of stick on this board but I always manage to get more than $25 worth of fun out of it, other than FM this is my favorite text sim franchise.
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:03 AM   #102
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I always appreciate that you can convert your current leagues into the next version. I started my Canadian league that I build with 5 levels of minors (I did it by population centers), and have gone from 2006-2018 playing at least 3-4 games a week for my team. At this point my connection with the players is huge, I know these players more than I know half of the real MLB players. Basically from March - December OOTP is loaded on my computer (even if just minimized).
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:55 AM   #103
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I'm with you Big Fo.. although I do like the idea of HS feeder leagues that if the player is not drafted, he goes on to college.
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:36 AM   #104
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Just a small update:

Development is going fine, I'm putting the finishing touches on the planned features. While doing this, I also revisited scouting, ran tests and found indeed a bug which resulted in the problems that Mr. Lynch stated. I just wonder how this did not surface in prior tests, the reason is probably that our tests were applied to the whole league, but the problem only applied to very young players. Anyway, this is of course fixed in OOTP 11

Regarding injuries: We really have a lot of real data for several years, and OOTP matches this data very nicely, both in terms of total injuries and injury severeness distribution. It's just one of the things that feel strange when you can see all injuries in a report, which is different to real life where often you just do not realize how much players are really hurt. Or would you know that there were a total of 1500+ injuries/illnesses in MLB in 2008 for example? I certainly would not have guessed that

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:34 AM   #105
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:30 AM   #106
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I'd like the game to come with a second 2010 MLB setup that just has AAA, AA, and A squads for each team. All those rookie, fall league, etc. teams that make it add up to 6-7 per team are a pain imo plus they slow down the sim speed.

I always have to spend time moving the players on those minor league teams with promising futures to the minor league teams I'm keeping before simming the first game. .

I would like for this to be a quick start right from the beginning. I had to do this as well and I do dislike having to devote time to this process. 3 levels of minors is plenty for me.
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:05 PM   #107
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:35 PM   #108
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:56 PM   #109
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Old 03-04-2010, 06:07 PM   #110
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I'd like the game to come with a second 2010 MLB setup that just has AAA, AA, and A squads for each team. All those rookie, fall league, etc. teams that make it add up to 6-7 per team are a pain imo plus they slow down the sim speed.

I always have to spend time moving the players on those minor league teams with promising futures to the minor league teams I'm keeping before simming the first game.
Same here. Just a simple MLB universe that doesn't require a ton of extra stuff. Getting this to work and avoiding the fringe on their boards may get me back into this series.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:26 PM   #111
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Just a small update:

Development is going fine, I'm putting the finishing touches on the planned features. While doing this, I also revisited scouting, ran tests and found indeed a bug which resulted in the problems that Mr. Lynch stated. I just wonder how this did not surface in prior tests, the reason is probably that our tests were applied to the whole league, but the problem only applied to very young players. Anyway, this is of course fixed in OOTP 11

Regarding injuries: We really have a lot of real data for several years, and OOTP matches this data very nicely, both in terms of total injuries and injury severeness distribution. It's just one of the things that feel strange when you can see all injuries in a report, which is different to real life where often you just do not realize how much players are really hurt. Or would you know that there were a total of 1500+ injuries/illnesses in MLB in 2008 for example? I certainly would not have guessed that

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Markus, thank you for an update and fixing the issue brought up by lynchjm24.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:14 PM   #112
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I've pre-ordered. I think this makes the fifth or sixth time.

I keep getting my money's worth out of this game, so I keep buying it.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:09 AM   #113
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Markus, thank you for an update and fixing the issue brought up by lynchjm24.

My only real issue here is that if they found a bug in scouting, how about a patch for OOTP X to make scouting work correctly there? My concern with the OOTP development cycle is that any bugs that are found or recognized after the "last patch" are only going to get fixed in the next version, which leaves a very tiny window for the last version to get fixes. And as we've seen in FOF, sometimes in multiplayer it takes a while for things to rear up and get noticed, especially if other bugs are blocking them. And sometimes with such a complex game it takes a while to build up sufficient evidence to prove that something is actually a bug, and by the time you do you're probably just helping to fix the version you haven't bought yet rather than the one you have.

I'm not asking for fixes to OOTP 9, but I'd sure like to see a patch available for the immediately prior version when big issues are found and fixed for the current version. In other words, continue "maintenance" on 10 while 11 is the current version, then when you ship 12 drop maintenance on 10 and shift to maintenance on 11. Yes, there's probably going to be big debate over what's meant by "big issue" (like the crowd screaming about the wrong stripes on the uniform or something equally inane), but I'm pretty sure the scouting bug qualifies as one example.

OTOH, scouting doesn't matter much for me since my main leagues are the FOOL ones where scouting and other complicating factors are turned off, plus the finances are tuned to be mostly right, so whatever
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Old 03-06-2010, 01:36 PM   #114
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My only real issue here is that if they found a bug in scouting, how about a patch for OOTP X to make scouting work correctly there? My concern with the OOTP development cycle is that any bugs that are found or recognized after the "last patch" are only going to get fixed in the next version, which leaves a very tiny window for the last version to get fixes. And as we've seen in FOF, sometimes in multiplayer it takes a while for things to rear up and get noticed, especially if other bugs are blocking them. And sometimes with such a complex game it takes a while to build up sufficient evidence to prove that something is actually a bug, and by the time you do you're probably just helping to fix the version you haven't bought yet rather than the one you have.

I'm not asking for fixes to OOTP 9, but I'd sure like to see a patch available for the immediately prior version when big issues are found and fixed for the current version. In other words, continue "maintenance" on 10 while 11 is the current version, then when you ship 12 drop maintenance on 10 and shift to maintenance on 11. Yes, there's probably going to be big debate over what's meant by "big issue" (like the crowd screaming about the wrong stripes on the uniform or something equally inane), but I'm pretty sure the scouting bug qualifies as one example.

OTOH, scouting doesn't matter much for me since my main leagues are the FOOL ones where scouting and other complicating factors are turned off, plus the finances are tuned to be mostly right, so whatever

I agree 100%. I play a lot of solo OOTP and would love to have this fixed.
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:08 AM   #115
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How in the hell can a draft happen and you select 12 catchers out of 26 selections(25 round draft, players created for 30 rounds)

Cmon. There has to be a way to prevent something this silly from happening.

I gather the scout(which is turned off) decides a catcher is the BPA that many times?

Can you at least look at this for the next game? This has happened before to me.
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:34 AM   #116
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How in the hell can a draft happen and you select 12 catchers out of 26 selections(25 round draft, players created for 30 rounds)

Cmon. There has to be a way to prevent something this silly from happening.

I gather the scout(which is turned off) decides a catcher is the BPA that many times?

Can you at least look at this for the next game? This has happened before to me.

Agree, in the RWBL i have like 6 Catchers per minors level, and all them are garbage players.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:35 PM   #117
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:23 PM   #118
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RTR #2

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Old 03-17-2010, 11:25 PM   #119
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You know what I wished worked like real baseball? The Spot Starter role. In the MLB, a spot starter is a guy who makes the 2nd start in a double header, or the start the day after a double header, or a start if all your pitchers have been beaten the last week and are exhausted, not some random replacement of the 5th starter. Also, that guy should be the 1st guy in if your starter gets tossed in the first couple of innning, or just flat needs to be replaced after giving up 9 runs in 2 innings. I hate the way its used right now.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:45 PM   #120
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How about "strict order, but skip number 4 or 5" if an off day allows"

I don't think the "occasionally start highest ready" really works.

Or only start guys on 100% rest. I want my number one to go every 5 days
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Old 03-18-2010, 08:08 AM   #121
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I love the addition of single game records.
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:12 PM   #122
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I love the addition of single game records.

It's like old school NHL on N64 all over again...
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Old 03-18-2010, 12:31 PM   #123
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The road to relase #2 is definitely getting me excited. Single game records + similarity scores are awesome additions. I'm gald I preordered when it was discounted. I was hoping the player comparison was going to use the Football Manager polar graphs though.
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Old 03-18-2010, 02:57 PM   #124
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Like every year, I'm excited again.. I just hope a nice MLB quickstart with just AAA, AA, and A are included with all the normal settings. Heck, I wouldn't even mind feeders since that is kind of a new feature or as least it has been enhanced.

I hate having to change all the damn settings.. reminds me of sliders!
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:21 AM   #125
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RTR 3: Drafting Realism Like You've Never Seen Before!

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Old 03-20-2010, 10:24 AM   #126
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Love this tidbit: Even more exciting, a brand new feature allows unsigned high school draftees to graduate to college. Teenage studs are no longer at the mercy of the team that drafts them. If you won't pony up to meet their demands, they can take their game to the college circuit for a few years in hopes of boosting their future draft stock. And while you may be disappointed to lose out on a top pick, you'll enjoy watching players experience a realistic development path before they ever turn pro!
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:33 PM   #127
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I'm pretty stoked reading through the new RtR. This is by far what I'm looking forward to the most:

Dynamically Evolving Leagues
Those who play historic OOTP leagues are used to one of the game's great features (at least in my mind) - the ability to expand and evolve your league based on the information in the historical database. Run an OOTP historic league and you'll see it expand in '61 and again in '62 and every year thereafter. For those who may have run historic leagues in the past and had to make these changes manually, it was a big leap forward. Fictional league owners, however, were forced to make changes like expansion, rosters, schedules, and rule changes manually. That is, until now!

With version 11, OOTP introduces Dynamically Evolving Leagues. When you start a league with this option selected and run your baseball world, the game will dynamically make changes to the league over the course of its history. Some of the changes you can elect for the game to implement in your game include:

* Team Expansions
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:44 PM   #128
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I don't really care about dynamically involving rule changes so much, but the expansion and relocation/nickname change thing is pretty sweet. What I hope, though, is that this is not just built in randomly - that there's a "story" to be told that results in the change being made. In other words, a team might move because of poor attendance after a number of years of terrible performance. Not just after 15 years, X team picks up and moves just because you've got that option turned on and the AI is prompted to implement it, and a team that won it all a year earlier leaves town.

Also, I would really love to see FOF's stadium referendum feature built-in here, as it would be one of the ideal triggers to a team moving.
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Old 03-29-2010, 02:15 PM   #129
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I don't really care about dynamically involving rule changes so much, but the expansion and relocation/nickname change thing is pretty sweet. What I hope, though, is that this is not just built in randomly - that there's a "story" to be told that results in the change being made. In other words, a team might move because of poor attendance after a number of years of terrible performance. Not just after 15 years, X team picks up and moves just because you've got that option turned on and the AI is prompted to implement it, and a team that won it all a year earlier leaves town.

Also, I would really love to see FOF's stadium referendum feature built-in here, as it would be one of the ideal triggers to a team moving.

Per Markus:

Only poor teams with low fan support and a small market will move. It would not make much sense to see the Yankees relocate to Portland I guess
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Old 03-29-2010, 05:19 PM   #130
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I hadn't seen some of the other Road to Release updates. The historical replay accuracy screen is a nice addition.
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Old 03-29-2010, 08:57 PM   #131
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If this is even close to how Jim implemented franchise moves with FOF, I'll be happy. Every time I get 25-30 years into a solo career, I think about moving teams around to mix it up and see if they can be more successful in a different environment...and then I never do it because it feels inauthentic to do it from a God's eye view.

I also approve of the move to increase the frequency of players moving into the coaching/scouting ranks. I usually go through and pick half of the HoFers at random and pop them into coaching, but the dev curve for coaches is so slow, they're only ready for AA jobs by the time they're 80, so it doesn't do me much good.
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Old 03-29-2010, 09:31 PM   #132
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How in the hell can a draft happen and you select 12 catchers out of 26 selections(25 round draft, players created for 30 rounds)

I gather the scout(which is turned off) decides a catcher is the BPA that many times?


If I had to guess, and this is only a guess, I would say that maybe the game gets to a point in the draft where it looks for BPA and sees a metric crapload of lousy players that all suck equally so it picks the first one from the list it generated. Assuming the list defaults to position order, this would pretty much always be a catcher.
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Old 03-30-2010, 06:12 PM   #133
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If I had to guess, and this is only a guess, I would say that maybe the game gets to a point in the draft where it looks for BPA and sees a metric crapload of lousy players that all suck equally so it picks the first one from the list it generated. Assuming the list defaults to position order, this would pretty much always be a catcher.

Whatever it is, it probably also explains why catchers are put into back-up roles on the line-up card. They're being overvalued somehow.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:52 AM   #134
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:10 PM   #135
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If I had to guess, and this is only a guess, I would say that maybe the game gets to a point in the draft where it looks for BPA and sees a metric crapload of lousy players that all suck equally so it picks the first one from the list it generated. Assuming the list defaults to position order, this would pretty much always be a catcher.

yeah, pretty much my guess too.
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Old 04-11-2010, 03:24 PM   #136
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One I would only think about buying if there was just a simple MLB league setup with just the MLB and maybe triple AAA. Players should also enter into the correct teams each season as they did in real life.
Also, I would love to see a demo.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:10 PM   #137
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There is going to be a nice all in one mod released tomorrow as well - this time with real players that have been face-gened so that they age and change uniforms if traded.
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:10 AM   #138
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Looks like OOTP 11 is out for pre-order customers. I'm d/ling it as I type...
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Old 04-12-2010, 09:31 AM   #139
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Old 04-12-2010, 09:33 AM   #140
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