NFL Week 9 - Page 3

kingfc22 · 11-06-2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Helluva drive.

Indeed

Crapshoot · 11-06-2011, 10:44 PM

Bloody hell. Torrey Smith may drop some balls, but that's pure speed.

jbergey22 · 11-06-2011, 10:52 PM

Where was the Steelers pass rush tonight? I kept waiting for some pressure on that last drive and it never came.

RomaGoth · 11-06-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Where was the Steelers pass rush tonight? I kept waiting for some pressure on that last drive and it never came.

Apparently it was sidelined along with Woodley.

Dr. Sak · 11-07-2011, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

How similar is it to hockey officiating where teams sort of feel out what the standard is, then play within those parameters going forward?

Yes and no. I only say no cause I understand rules in football WAY more than hockey. To this day I still have trouble picking out interference but I can pick a hold out very easy.

What I think would be great, and I do think it is somewhere on the NFL site, is for people to watch the training video the NFL sends out to the teams. Also, I think it'd be a good idea for them to show some holds or DPI to show the fans what is and what isn't each one.

The most difficult thing for me to get through to a coach/player/fan is to get them to step out of the situation and look at it as a person of no interest. Players/Fans/Coaches want their team to win so bad (or their most hated team to lose) that they see things differently.

I could go on and on about things like this...but I don't want to bore you guys.

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think they'd be better off having one official in the booth. They make the replay calls right away so we don't need a 5 minute break to look under the hood. They can also override personal foul calls.

Would that really be bad?

There are two replay officials in the booth that talk to the referee on the field as he is under the booth. They will guide the white hat and help him make the decision, but in the end it is the Referee's decision.

I highly doubt we ever get to the point with replay where we can challenge subjective calls. This is taught to us in college but the head of the CFO...they will always defend us when it comes to fouls concerning players safety. Maybe always is a harsh word, but they will give the refs the benefit of the doubt because they want the players protected. The aftermath with the fine/no fine is where replay comes into it.

Suburban Rhythm · 11-07-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Yes and no. I only say no cause I understand rules in football WAY more than hockey. To this day I still have trouble picking out interference but I can pick a hold out very easy.

What I think would be great, and I do think it is somewhere on the NFL site, is for people to watch the training video the NFL sends out to the teams. Also, I think it'd be a good idea for them to show some holds or DPI to show the fans what is and what isn't each one.

The most difficult thing for me to get through to a coach/player/fan is to get them to step out of the situation and look at it as a person of no interest. Players/Fans/Coaches want their team to win so bad (or their most hated team to lose) that they see things differently.

I could go on and on about things like this...but I don't want to bore you guys.

You and I have had this conversation outside of FOFC before, but I am just tiring of the NFL.

The fact that the team I am rooting for is in position to take advantage of the style that is now promoted - spread the field, throw into zone coverage - and I am less interested speaks volumes. The first thing I do on any pass play now is look for the flag. I honestly expect one each play.

To be honest, I think I expect MORE flags than there actually are, with how offense is promoted.

jbergey22 · 11-07-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

You and I have had this conversation outside of FOFC before, but I am just tiring of the NFL.

The fact that the team I am rooting for is in position to take advantage of the style that is now promoted - spread the field, throw into zone coverage - and I am less interested speaks volumes. The first thing I do on any pass play now is look for the flag. I honestly expect one each play.

To be honest, I think I expect MORE flags than there actually are, with how offense is promoted.

I know we hate giving the refs more decisions to make but I really wouldnt mind 2 different pass interference calls. One would be an "intentional type" where it was obvious the defender was beat and just trying to save his ass and award it like it is now. The other would be like the college rule where it would be 15 yards or spot of foul. Too many questionable PI calls are awarded big yardage in the NFL.

The other thing is the NFL rules committee should sit their asses down and figure out what a hold is so the refs can call it fairly. If "experts" claim there is holding on every play obviously something needs to be re-done.

Holding and PI are the two calls that just bug the hell out of me. They could call it or not call it on every play it seems. It turns into something random on what the ref feels like calling at that time.

Also, why if the defense gets called for PI the offense gets the ball at the spot of the foul however if the offense interferes they get a 15 yard penalty. If it was being called equal shouldnt the defense be awarded an interception when the offense interferes? Apparently the way it is called they assume the PI prevented the ball from being caught so for consistency is should work both ways.

Ksyrup · 11-07-2011, 08:31 AM

I've grown disconnected from the NFL for a variety of reasons, but mainly because of the ridiculous crackdown on "football hits," the pass interference calls, and even the incongruous "what constitutes a catch" rules. This whole "have to hold the ball through the end of the play" thing is ridiculous. That ball that Hines Ward got hit on was a catch. He caught it, took 2 steps, got hit landed on his back, got concussed (it appeared), and a guy hit him while he was down,securing the ball, and it came loose and that's not a catch. Wrong answer. Not wrong by the rule, but wrong by common sense. That was a catch.

Just like incidental helmet contact on a clean hit to the upper body is not a penalty. Common sense says that the offensive player is just as much at fault for lowering his body and head aniticipating contact as the defensive player is for leading with his head and not trying, I guess, to hit lower. The offensive player always has the advantage because he knows where he's going right? Isn't that what we always hear when talking about route running on wet/icy surfaces? So why does the defensive player get penalized when the guy in control of the ball, and thus the object of the hit, decides to shrink himself bracing for a hit to the midsection that suddenly becomes a hit to the shoulders with some helmet-on-helmet contact? It is non-sensical.

And then there's the NFL rules on replay, which I hate, because the point of replay is to get calls right, not make it a game or strategy point for coaches. I'd rather they just do away with replay altogether in the NFL if they won't implement the college rule. Replay is not for challenges, it's to get the damn play called right.

Suburban Rhythm · 11-07-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I know we hate giving the refs more decisions to make but I really wouldnt mind 2 different pass interference calls. One would be an "intentional type" where it was obvious the defender was beat and just trying to save his ass and award it like it is now. The other would be like the college rule where it would be 15 yards or spot of foul. Too many questionable PI calls are awarded big yardage in the NFL.

The other thing is the NFL rules committee should sit their asses down and figure out what a hold is so the refs can call it fairly. If "experts" claim there is holding on every play obviously something needs to be re-done.

Holding and PI are the two calls that just bug the hell out of me. They could call it or not call it on every play it seems. It turns into something random on what the ref feels like calling at that time.

Also, why if the defense gets called for PI the offense gets the ball at the spot of the foul however if the offense interferes they get a 15 yard penalty. If it was being called equal shouldnt the defense be awarded an interception when the offense interferes? Apparently the way it is called they assume the PI prevented the ball from being caught so for consistency is should work both ways.

Remember the NHL coming out of the lockout where games consistently featured 20 PPs? Not that I enjoyed watching that, but eventually players adjusted (Slightly, anyway, until officiating regressed, but that's an entirely different topic). I bet if there were 20 holding calls in a game, players would stop.

Watching replays they were showing last night, each time they showed Starks on Suggs, Starks was square to Suggs, hands punching to Suggs' chest. Each time they showed a replay of McKinnie on Harrison, McKinnie had his arm hooked either around Harrison's neck or under his arm.

I'm not naive enough to believe Starks didn't do that at all, or that McKinnie didn't play with fine technique on some plays. But how those plays can both be viewed as close enough that there is no flag?

Sak mentions all the time it's 7 different officials who see things 7 different ways. But when it's the same official who can't be consistent in his own calls, that's what is confusing to me.

Or, as you suggest, tweak the rule(s).

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I've grown disconnected from the NFL for a variety of reasons, but mainly because of the ridiculous crackdown on "football hits," the pass interference calls, and even the incongruous "what constitutes a catch" rules. This whole "have to hold the ball through the end of the play" thing is ridiculous. That ball that Hines Ward got hit on was a catch. He caught it, took 2 steps, got hit landed on his back, got concussed (it appeared), and a guy hit him while he was down,securing the ball, and it came loose and that's not a catch. Wrong answer. Not wrong by the rule, but wrong by common sense. That was a catch.

Just like incidental helmet contact on a clean hit to the upper body is not a penalty. Common sense says that the offensive player is just as much at fault for lowering his body and head aniticipating contact as the defensive player is for leading with his head and not trying, I guess, to hit lower. The offensive player always has the advantage because he knows where he's going right? Isn't that what we always hear when talking about route running on wet/icy surfaces? So why does the defensive player get penalized when the guy in control of the ball, and thus the object of the hit, decides to shrink himself bracing for a hit to the midsection that suddenly becomes a hit to the shoulders with some helmet-on-helmet contact? It is non-sensical.

And then there's the NFL rules on replay, which I hate, because the point of replay is to get calls right, not make it a game or strategy point for coaches. I'd rather they just do away with replay altogether in the NFL if they won't implement the college rule. Replay is not for challenges, it's to get the damn play called right.

Same as the call later confirmed as a catch to the Baltimore TE. The ball is rolling as he hits the ground, and later makes contact with the ground. How that's deemed control...no idea.

SunDevil · 11-07-2011, 09:01 AM

I have enjoyed College Football much more than the NFL for a number of years. Not many NFL games this year have had me rethink this.

Suburban Rhythm · 11-07-2011, 09:14 AM

PING Lathum

Eli Manning cemented his clutch reputation with Giants win over Patriots - Peter King - SI.com

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Quote of the Week I

"You can't spell 'elite' without Eli.''
-- Giants defensive lineman Justin Tuck, after the hero of the hour in Foxboro beat the Patriots with an all-timer of a winning drive.

Suburban Rhythm · 11-07-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Rams have 13 the hard way: 3 field goals, 2 safeties.

Eli Manning cemented his clutch reputation with Giants win over Patriots - Peter King - SI.com

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Son of Factoid of the Week, Straight from the Elias Sports Bureau

When the Rams scored four points in the third quarter Sunday, it was the first four-point quarter in the NFL's 92-year history.

gstelmack · 11-07-2011, 10:06 AM

One other interesting officiating trend that came up in the Pats / Giants game that is becoming a problem: the playclock not resetting on a stoppage of play (injuries, etc), leading to bad delay-of-game calls against offenses.

JediKooter · 11-07-2011, 10:16 AM

Good one Philip Rivers, way to hand the game to the Packers. Norv, you should be embarrassed and ashamed...how can you play the Chiefs like they are sort of defensive juggernaut and then they lose to the Dolphins big time??? Again, proof that Norv Turner coaches down to the level of the opponent they are playing. Maybe if you prepped your team to play every team as if they were undefeated, you will win the games you're supposed to.

Oh and Philip, it's the guys with the lightning bolts on their helmets. That's who you throw it to.

Lathum · 11-07-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

PING Lathum

Eli Manning cemented his clutch reputation with Giants win over Patriots - Peter King - SI.com

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Yeah, that was a great quote. The fact he did it without Nicks and Bradshaw, plus his starting center out makes it even bigger. He is having a really solid year, keeping the turnovers down has been a huge bonus. Second half stretch is brutal but the way they played yesterday gives me hope

Dr. Sak · 11-07-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

The other thing is the NFL rules committee should sit their asses down and figure out what a hold is so the refs can call it fairly. If "experts" claim there is holding on every play obviously something needs to be re-done.

Holding and PI are the two calls that just bug the hell out of me. They could call it or not call it on every play it seems. It turns into something random on what the ref feels like calling

I don't want to get on my soap box, but I can explain some of this. I officiated for 5 years before I knew what a hold actually was. I still struggle with it. If you are all interested I could set something up with a conference call or podcast, because I am not the most articulate when I write and this is something better served with me talking.

bhlloy · 11-07-2011, 11:36 AM

I wouldn't want to bring in another judgement call so I'd be fine with the PI call only being 15 yards like in college. If you can tackle the end on every play so he can't kill your qb and that is only 10 yards and you can wrestle a rb to the ground by the facemask who would otherwise be in the clear and that is only 15 yards, I don't see why PI is so different. Just another rule to artificially produce offense and as somebody mentioned above it doesn't go both ways.

The ref in the steelers game was incredibly lucky that was a TD otherwise we'd have had another game decided on a ticky tack PI call and all hell would be breaking loose

Coffee Warlord · 11-07-2011, 07:54 PM

Not a bad start at all for Da Bears. Until Gould just booted that out of bounds.

Matthean · 11-07-2011, 08:16 PM

Curious to see who wins the game. If Philly loses, they are basically done. Two games back in terms of a wildcard and they would need to go 7-1 just to be 10-6. Considering their run defense, odds are they aren't doing that. Bears win and get the Lions at home next week so they could be in the thick of things for a wild card as well. Bears lose and they might find themselves out of it soon enough.

cuervo72 · 11-07-2011, 08:26 PM

Right after I told myself "ok, no interception." Of course.

Coffee Warlord · 11-07-2011, 08:35 PM

Seriously? 2nd and 16, 3rd and 14...you call a wildcat run (which in Bears history, no wildcat play has gone for anything, ever), and a draw? With Cutler throwing very well?

Hookay, Martz.

Coffee Warlord · 11-07-2011, 09:05 PM

...Interesting end to the half here.

bhlloy · 11-07-2011, 09:09 PM

How can you defend that call? The ref is 5 feet away looking straight at it and still misses the push. All the back judges in the world isn't going to make up for a shitty call like that

Lathum · 11-07-2011, 09:15 PM

Miracle cover on the first half over 24

EagleFan · 11-07-2011, 09:49 PM

Come on ref, that ball was out well before he was down.

EagleFan · 11-07-2011, 09:50 PM

There we go.

Crapshoot · 11-07-2011, 10:06 PM

Jay Cutler is pretty damn good. If he had an offensive line, he would be better.

Dutch · 11-07-2011, 10:08 PM

And Walter Payton's Bears scoring record falls to the kicker, Gould. That's just wrong.

cuervo72 · 11-07-2011, 10:14 PM

Midfield? Not a good way to respond to the CHI FG.

cuervo72 · 11-07-2011, 10:18 PM

This defense effing blows.

hoopsguy · 11-07-2011, 10:31 PM

Man, that was an impressive nine yard run for Forte.

EagleFan · 11-07-2011, 11:41 PM

Wanted...

One pro football team that isn't a bunch of overpaid and heartless divas.

One football coach that doesn't get out-coached every 4th quarter.

One QB that isn't the most over-rated QB in the league.

One star receiver that actually cares about the game.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-07-2011, 11:50 PM

That couldn't have worked out much better for me.
1) The Vickles lost.
2) Forte was held to 10 fantasy points (ESPN standard), giving me an unlikely win & pushing me into 1st place in my division.

JediKooter · 11-08-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Wanted...

One football coach that doesn't get out-coached every 4th quarter.

We'll trade you for our coach. He gets out coached the entire game.

jbergey22 · 11-08-2011, 11:25 AM

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Adrian Peterson

A bit off topic but something worth discussing I think.

Chris Johnson this year has really started making me wonder if running backs can really go in slumps. I always kind of assumed that if a great running back was having a bad year it was probably because the offense line sucks and the defense is stacking the run.

The thing I find intersting is AP from the above link. He is a max effort guy so dogging it isnt going to be in the equation for him. The thing I notice is that it appears he had a couple years where he struggled a bit as well(23rd DVOA).

So I wonder if a slump for a running back is misreading holes? Not having confidence in your line creating a hole?

The speed, agility, and power shouldnt really go in slumps so I find it interesting that a running back could "slump" like Johnson is this year.

RomaGoth · 11-08-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

We'll trade you for our coach. He gets out coached the entire game.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-08-2011, 01:07 PM

pats cut haynesworth. ochocinco, you're on the clock.

BishopMVP · 11-08-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Adrian Peterson

A bit off topic but something worth discussing I think.

Chris Johnson this year has really started making me wonder if running backs can really go in slumps. I always kind of assumed that if a great running back was having a bad year it was probably because the offense line sucks and the defense is stacking the run.

The thing I find intersting is AP from the above link. He is a max effort guy so dogging it isnt going to be in the equation for him. The thing I notice is that it appears he had a couple years where he struggled a bit as well(23rd DVOA).

So I wonder if a slump for a running back is misreading holes? Not having confidence in your line creating a hole?

The speed, agility, and power shouldnt really go in slumps so I find it interesting that a running back could "slump" like Johnson is this year.

I don't think those numbers from Peterson show much variation at all... his success rate has been 45-46% every year, and this year's increase in VOA/DVOA seems mostly tied to his comparatively low number of fumbles.

RainMaker · 11-08-2011, 02:58 PM

Big win for the Bears. Now have the tiebreaker on Philly, Atlanta, and Tampa for a wild card. Think we have a shot to beat Detroit at home on Sunday too. The offensive line has gotten much better.

JediKooter · 11-08-2011, 03:22 PM

The case against Norv Turner:

In his entire head coaching career, he has 25 wins against an opponent that has a winning record, at the time they play each other. Out of his 72 wins as the Chargers' head coach. He's only won 12 games against teams with a winning record. That kind of stat will get you nowhere near a Super Bowl win, let alone, play in one.

EDIT: Crap. Screwed up my counting...recalculating....

I missed 4. So 16 games out of 72 have been wins against teams with a winning record, since he's been the Chargers' head coach.

11-07-2011, 08:31 AM	#108
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I've grown disconnected from the NFL for a variety of reasons, but mainly because of the ridiculous crackdown on "football hits," the pass interference calls, and even the incongruous "what constitutes a catch" rules. This whole "have to hold the ball through the end of the play" thing is ridiculous. That ball that Hines Ward got hit on was a catch. He caught it, took 2 steps, got hit landed on his back, got concussed (it appeared), and a guy hit him while he was down,securing the ball, and it came loose and that's not a catch. Wrong answer. Not wrong by the rule, but wrong by common sense. That was a catch. Just like incidental helmet contact on a clean hit to the upper body is not a penalty. Common sense says that the offensive player is just as much at fault for lowering his body and head aniticipating contact as the defensive player is for leading with his head and not trying, I guess, to hit lower. The offensive player always has the advantage because he knows where he's going right? Isn't that what we always hear when talking about route running on wet/icy surfaces? So why does the defensive player get penalized when the guy in control of the ball, and thus the object of the hit, decides to shrink himself bracing for a hit to the midsection that suddenly becomes a hit to the shoulders with some helmet-on-helmet contact? It is non-sensical. And then there's the NFL rules on replay, which I hate, because the point of replay is to get calls right, not make it a game or strategy point for coaches. I'd rather they just do away with replay altogether in the NFL if they won't implement the college rule. Replay is not for challenges, it's to get the damn play called right. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

11-07-2011, 10:06 AM	#113
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	One other interesting officiating trend that came up in the Pats / Giants game that is becoming a problem: the playclock not resetting on a stoppage of play (injuries, etc), leading to bad delay-of-game calls against offenses. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-07-2011, 10:16 AM	#114
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Good one Philip Rivers, way to hand the game to the Packers. Norv, you should be embarrassed and ashamed...how can you play the Chiefs like they are sort of defensive juggernaut and then they lose to the Dolphins big time??? Again, proof that Norv Turner coaches down to the level of the opponent they are playing. Maybe if you prepped your team to play every team as if they were undefeated, you will win the games you're supposed to. Oh and Philip, it's the guys with the lightning bolts on their helmets. That's who you throw it to. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4 Last edited by JediKooter : 11-07-2011 at 10:16 AM.

11-07-2011, 07:54 PM	#118
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Not a bad start at all for Da Bears. Until Gould just booted that out of bounds. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 11-07-2011 at 07:55 PM.

11-07-2011, 08:16 PM	#119
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Curious to see who wins the game. If Philly loses, they are basically done. Two games back in terms of a wildcard and they would need to go 7-1 just to be 10-6. Considering their run defense, odds are they aren't doing that. Bears win and get the Lions at home next week so they could be in the thick of things for a wild card as well. Bears lose and they might find themselves out of it soon enough. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

11-06-2011, 10:44 PM	#102
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Bloody hell. Torrey Smith may drop some balls, but that's pure speed.

11-06-2011, 10:52 PM	#103
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Where was the Steelers pass rush tonight? I kept waiting for some pressure on that last drive and it never came.

11-07-2011, 11:36 AM	#117
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I wouldn't want to bring in another judgement call so I'd be fine with the PI call only being 15 yards like in college. If you can tackle the end on every play so he can't kill your qb and that is only 10 yards and you can wrestle a rb to the ground by the facemask who would otherwise be in the clear and that is only 15 yards, I don't see why PI is so different. Just another rule to artificially produce offense and as somebody mentioned above it doesn't go both ways. The ref in the steelers game was incredibly lucky that was a TD otherwise we'd have had another game decided on a ticky tack PI call and all hell would be breaking loose

11-07-2011, 08:26 PM	#120
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Right after I told myself "ok, no interception." Of course. __________________ null

11-07-2011, 08:35 PM	#121
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Seriously? 2nd and 16, 3rd and 14...you call a wildcat run (which in Bears history, no wildcat play has gone for anything, ever), and a draw? With Cutler throwing very well? Hookay, Martz.

11-07-2011, 09:05 PM	#122
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	...Interesting end to the half here.

11-07-2011, 09:09 PM	#123
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	How can you defend that call? The ref is 5 feet away looking straight at it and still misses the push. All the back judges in the world isn't going to make up for a shitty call like that

11-07-2011, 09:15 PM	#124
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Miracle cover on the first half over 24

11-07-2011, 09:49 PM	#125
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Come on ref, that ball was out well before he was down. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

11-07-2011, 09:50 PM	#126
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	There we go. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

11-07-2011, 10:06 PM	#127
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Jay Cutler is pretty damn good. If he had an offensive line, he would be better.

11-07-2011, 10:08 PM	#128
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	And Walter Payton's Bears scoring record falls to the kicker, Gould. That's just wrong.

11-07-2011, 10:14 PM	#129
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Midfield? Not a good way to respond to the CHI FG. __________________ null

11-07-2011, 10:18 PM	#130
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	This defense effing blows. __________________ null

11-07-2011, 10:31 PM	#131
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Man, that was an impressive nine yard run for Forte.

11-07-2011, 11:41 PM	#132
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Wanted... One pro football team that isn't a bunch of overpaid and heartless divas. One football coach that doesn't get out-coached every 4th quarter. One QB that isn't the most over-rated QB in the league. One star receiver that actually cares about the game. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

11-07-2011, 11:50 PM	#133
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	That couldn't have worked out much better for me. 1) The Vickles lost. 2) Forte was held to 10 fantasy points (ESPN standard), giving me an unlikely win & pushing me into 1st place in my division. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-08-2011, 11:25 AM	#135
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis \| Adrian Peterson A bit off topic but something worth discussing I think. Chris Johnson this year has really started making me wonder if running backs can really go in slumps. I always kind of assumed that if a great running back was having a bad year it was probably because the offense line sucks and the defense is stacking the run. The thing I find intersting is AP from the above link. He is a max effort guy so dogging it isnt going to be in the equation for him. The thing I notice is that it appears he had a couple years where he struggled a bit as well(23rd DVOA). So I wonder if a slump for a running back is misreading holes? Not having confidence in your line creating a hole? The speed, agility, and power shouldnt really go in slumps so I find it interesting that a running back could "slump" like Johnson is this year. Last edited by jbergey22 : 11-08-2011 at 11:31 AM.

11-08-2011, 01:07 PM	#137
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	pats cut haynesworth. ochocinco, you're on the clock.

11-08-2011, 02:58 PM	#139
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Big win for the Bears. Now have the tiebreaker on Philly, Atlanta, and Tampa for a wild card. Think we have a shot to beat Detroit at home on Sunday too. The offensive line has gotten much better.

11-08-2011, 03:22 PM	#140
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	The case against Norv Turner: In his entire head coaching career, he has 25 wins against an opponent that has a winning record, at the time they play each other. Out of his 72 wins as the Chargers' head coach. He's only won 12 games against teams with a winning record. That kind of stat will get you nowhere near a Super Bowl win, let alone, play in one. EDIT: Crap. Screwed up my counting...recalculating.... I missed 4. So 16 games out of 72 have been wins against teams with a winning record, since he's been the Chargers' head coach. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4 Last edited by JediKooter : 11-08-2011 at 03:36 PM.

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