WW XCII Athens -- Destroyed by Wolves!

[Chief Rum]

Hey Pass, could you please pass along the message to Sparta to get their ass in gear? Thanks.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

BTW, we have 40 more posts and 100 more views than the slackers from Sparta

Yeah!

[Lathum]

I sent in my vote for TheNorm

[Chief Rum]

I put in my vote for Lathum.

[EagleFan]

I put in my vote for.... someone

[EagleFan]

Looks like they finally made it to page 2...

Time for me to get some sleep. I may have a very busy day tomorrow but I hope to check in during lunch time for a bit (hopefully it won't be a working lunch and I can get a few minutes free).

[EagleFan]

just in case I get trapped.


vote Abe

Seems odd that a vet would come out and want a brand new player to be the duke in his first ever game, and announce it (his vote) in thread before the idea of the public vote came out. Maybe he and TheNorm need to be watched a little more closely.

[Chief Rum]

Little obvious, don't you think?

All that taking a chance on a Day One vote matters less in the cities, since if Abe is good, it just gives us a villager in Hades.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, what was I typing above? "All that..." should be translated to "Although..."

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

just in case I get trapped.


vote Abe

Seems odd that a vet would come out and want a brand new player to be the duke in his first ever game, and announce it (his vote) in thread before the idea of the public vote came out. Maybe he and TheNorm need to be watched a little more closely.

Give me some credit.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Cool, as long as you can get in your secret Ephor vote. You're one of the three "quiet voters" we have set out in my plan above.

Quite honestly, I don't give f*ck about your plans. I play by my own rules every game. If you wanna mess with me, step up.

[Schmidty]

Dola. It's my first day tomorrow, so wish me luck!!

[Abe Sargent]

Luck!

[Schmidty]

Sparta is looking pretty dead.

Anyway, I know I won't win Ephor, so I'll send my vote right now. Will it be Lathum, Abe, CR, or.......a newbie?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Dola. It's my first day tomorrow, so wish me luck!!

what are you gonna be doing?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm listening to Air Supply

[Abe Sargent]

This is where Lathum makes fun of my musical tastes again

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what are you gonna be doing?

I won't tell you. It's below what I should be doing.

But it's temporary.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I won't tell you. It's below what I should be doing.

But it's temporary.

there is nothing low about earning an honest living.

Good luck with whatever it is!

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Sparta is looking pretty dead.

Anyway, I know I won't win Ephor, so I'll send my vote right now. Will it be Lathum, Abe, CR, or.......a newbie?

Heh...I guess technically that's okay (it's your vote), but the idea is to vote for TheNorm or Lathum to protect us from the wolves ganging up and deciding the Ephor. The point is that we won't know which you vote for (and neither will the wolves, assuming you're not one yourself ).

But I suppose it doesn't matter so long as one of our choices for Ephor goes through, and that the wolves still won't know who it is (nor, hopefully, control whoever it is).

Good luck tomorrow with your new job!

[Chief Rum]

All right, I am going to get a lynch vote in now, in case I can't get on at work for some reason. No real good reason for this one (being Day One), except that I haven't seen him around enough yet. Plus, I already played most of the last game with him, so new guy hands off rules I don't see applying here as much.

VOTE LYNCH USFLTECMO

But of course this is subject to change, should we get a better candidate or if a tie needs to be broken or whatever. I'm not as concerned about these votes in the city here, since the loser goes to Hades, and it's the only way we know for sure (a village lynch) that that person is not a wolf.

[USFLTecmo]

Gloves are off, now, eh? I thought that was already the case when Lathum duked the newbie two games ago and totally blew any chance the wolves had.

The Canucks and sleep (since I'm going to work here in 5 minutes) had my attention last night, for the most part.

Around near the deadline, and my ephor vote is cast for Lathum, as per the plan. Off to work now, back around 9ish central.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hey Pass, could you please pass along the message to Sparta to get their ass in gear? Thanks.

Heh, they've already noticed that they've been getting knocked around by you guys, post-wise.

[Abe Sargent]

Because we're awesome!

[Passacaglia]

Here's a vote count for you guys:

Lathum -- 0
Abe Sargent -- 1 Eagle Fan (107)
USFLTecmo -- 1 Chief Rum (121)

[Abe Sargent]

Vote EF

Totally retaliatory and not for any real reason.

[Abe Sargent]

They've had 30 posts in an hour or two. My guess - they are trying to catch up with us. But we are Athens and they are Sparta. Eventually, they'll forget how to speak and start mucking about with pointed sticks again.

[EagleFan]

Not much talk going on. I guess those of us in Athens have jobs.

To elaborate on my earlier comment. I am giving you credit Abe. Why not take a shot at what seems like a completely innocent comment? That may not mean that TheNorm even is a wolf to be honest but tells me that if you are then Lathum most likely isn't.

Who among us gets accused of being a wolf more than anyone? Lathum. Giving the duke powers to a new player who would not know that increases that chance that if he dukes anywhere it could very well be to Lathum.

So to answer your statement, yes I am giving you credit.

[EagleFan]

My applogies to Pass. I accidentally clicked the Sparta link after my last post. I had returned to the WW main forum and assumed the post I had just made was the top thread. Only saw the name of a poster and realized it was the wrong thread and backed out without reading anything.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

My applogies to Pass. I accidentally clicked the Sparta link after my last post. I had returned to the WW main forum and assumed the post I had just made was the top thread. Only saw the name of a poster and realized it was the wrong thread and backed out without reading anything.

No problem, it happens.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

My applogies to Pass. I accidentally clicked the Sparta link after my last post. I had returned to the WW main forum and assumed the post I had just made was the top thread. Only saw the name of a poster and realized it was the wrong thread and backed out without reading anything.

Burn him! Burn him!

[hoopsguy]

This morning has turned out to be a little more busy than I would expect. But it does not appear that there are all that many new posts to read. I'm expecting to throw out a vote post sometime over the next hour in order to allow potential candidates time to respond prior to the deadline.

[hoopsguy]

OK, here is early voting logic:
1.) Not going to vote for known villager (self)
2.) Not going to vote for Ephor candidate (Lathum and TheNorm)
3.) With vote 1-1-1 I'm not going to introduce a new candidate

So, EF/Abe/USFL. Well, USFL gave me some helpful driving information earlier in thread. And I haven't really had a chance to play a game with Abe in awhile (on accounting of dying D1 last game) so that leaves EagleFan.

Not exactly scientific, but that is the logic. And I fully realize that I'm casting the notorious "2nd vote on a candidate" but so be it. I've always felt that data point was overrated, anyway.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

[hoopsguy]

OK, have a client emergency which means I'm going to be on the road and have sporadic access to the thread over the next couple of hours. I'm expecting to be able to get to the thread between now and deadline, but it is not a sure thing.

[hoopsguy]

OK - looks like we are going to be a night-time posting group this game?

As it looks right now, I'll be able to continue checking in, on and off, over the next hour. All bets are off after that point.

[MartinD]

OK - have caught up with what's happened since yesterday evening, and have sent Pass my vote for Ephor.

The deadline for this game isn't too bad for me - 2pm US Central is 8pm UK time. I won't be around tomorrow or Wednesday at deadline, though - have a couple of meetings to go to. (For what it's worth, I don't have access to FOFC at work, so will be checking in before and after I go to work.)

Now, I need to take a bit of time to think about who to vote for...

[MartinD]

It's a first-day vote, so very little to work on. I don't want to add another candidate, and don't really want to put EagleFan a couple of votes out in front, so it comes down to Abe or USFL.

I don't have an opinion either way, so I flipped a coin to decide.

VOTE USFLTECMO

(This vote may change, depending on how the other votes fall...)

[USFLTecmo]

Seems this is my best self-defense move right now:

VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Lathum]

His early vote on me seemed off to me, and since I know I'm not a wolf it elevates him as one in my mind.

VOTE EF

[Lathum]

Question.

Do you guys think it would make sense to lynch tomorrow whoever didn't get voted Ephor. Would that maybe give us some clarity into the selection process?

Are the Ephor votes made public after the vote of do they always stay a secret?

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, I do not think that we learn who was voted Ephor. So unless the person who is voted Ephor wants to reveal it in the thread that does not seem like a viable strategy.

My bigger worry in doing something like this is that even with our public strategy there is still potentially room for wolves to manipulate the vote. So we probably have a slightly higher chance of a wolf being Ephor than a villager. Conversely, we have a slightly higher chance of a villager being runner up than a villager.

If we have two wolves competing, your plan is excellent but doesn't exactly provide insight into the voting process.

If we have two villagers competing, your plan is bad.

If we have a wolf and a villager competing, then I have the concerns listed above.

So, overall I'm not a huge fan of this idea.

[Passacaglia]

Vote count:

Lathum -- 0
Abe Sargent -- 1 Eagle Fan (107)
USFLTecmo -- 2 Chief Rum (121) MartinD (137)
EagleFan -- 4 Abe Sargent (126) hoopsguy (133) USFLTecmo (138) Lathum (139)

[EagleFan]

Can't say that I'm surprised at the moment (I guess I shouldn't have said I may not be on enough around the deadline ). Watch your backs though. You're being played by the wolves and letting them dictate how this game plays out. Watch Abe and company.

Self defense only at this point:

unvote Abe - might as well take my vote off the wolf since I am the only one there so far

vote USFL

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Lathum, I do not think that we learn who was voted Ephor. So unless the person who is voted Ephor wants to reveal it in the thread that does not seem like a viable strategy.

My bigger worry in doing something like this is that even with our public strategy there is still potentially room for wolves to manipulate the vote. So we probably have a slightly higher chance of a wolf being Ephor than a villager. Conversely, we have a slightly higher chance of a villager being runner up than a villager.

If we have two wolves competing, your plan is excellent but doesn't exactly provide insight into the voting process.

If we have two villagers competing, your plan is bad.

If we have a wolf and a villager competing, then I have the concerns listed above.

So, overall I'm not a huge fan of this idea.

all true, just trying to get some discussion out there, catch up to their thread count.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Can't say that I'm surprised at the moment (I guess I shouldn't have said I may not be on enough around the deadline ). Watch your backs though. You're being played by the wolves and letting them dictate how this game plays out. Watch Abe and company.

Self defense only at this point:

unvote Abe - might as well take my vote off the wolf since I am the only one there so far

vote USFL

why are you so certain Abe's a wolf?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

why are you so certain Abe's a wolf?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. He is the first person to come out and mention voting for TheNorm for Ephor. Why would you want a brand new player to have that position?

1) Both Abe and TheNorm are wolves, trying to sneak the "throw a bone to the new player" ploy in as a reason. Not really a good play to come out like that.
2) Abe is a wolf and tried the same play. If he is a wolf and you are not he is trying to gain favor from a new player and hoping that you look like a wolf to the new player. It's not a stretch to think that a new player will assume that you are a wolf with your normal play style. The chances of a new player duking to a villager with an unfamiliar style are greater than the chances of a new player picking up on small signs from a veteran wolf.
3) Abe is a villager and wants to throw a bone to the new player. Not a great play based on the explanation from number 2.


I have an idea who may be Abe's partner in crime at this point but want to see how this plays out a little more before naming anyone else. Of course if it looks like I am about to be lynched prior to the deadline I will lay my entire hand on the table and you can do with it as you see fit from that point forward.


Lynching me does the following:

1) Hurts the village in Athens as it will be a day one villager lynching.
2) At least puts a villager in Hades but who know how that will play out at this time.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with hoops. I don't see a positive benefit to taking out the losing Ephor candidate, even if we choose to have that information out there (which runs contrary to the whole point of doing what we're doing right now)

EF has the early lead here, but we all know that there's really no case against EF or anyone at this point. Whoever ends up being voted out shouldn't regard it as the city taking them out, but as an opportunity to be our first ambassador to Hades, to take control there and prepare for the arrival of more of us soon.

That's assuming we haven't landed on a wolf somewhere in the voting, and I would guess we have not, based on usual Day 1 history.

[Lathum]

OK, I know this has been addressed but...

If EF is a wolf is he listed as a wolf in this thread once he is lynched?

[EagleFan]

You can hear crickets in here today after all that activity yesterday.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, I know this has been addressed but...

If EF is a wolf is he listed as a wolf in this thread once he is lynched?

Yes.