WW CV: Transformers (D5, day ends Friday 9 PM EST)

[Lathum]

PB

It looks like the game started in post 87. Do all the votes prior to that count or do I need to revote?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

PB, are you willing to share a high-level overview on the order of actions? There seem like a few different abilities that could collide and it would be helpful to know order-of-actions in order to interpret results correctly.

I can definitely share it. Any actions that specifically butt up against one another will be determined by order the action was received. For instance, if player A were to pass player B a piece of the All-Spark and a player C was scanning and trying to steal the All-Spark from player A, then I process them in time order. So if player C's order came first, he'll steal the All-Spark before A could give it to B.

Otherwise, there are certain preferences given to the basic roles: Bodyguard block will always be my first processed order and wolf kill will always be my last processed action.

Hope this helps. If there is something more specific or individual, feel free to drop me a PM. If there is a general follow-up, feel free to post it here.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Lathum

PB

It looks like the game started in post 87. Do all the votes prior to that count or do I need to revote?

Everything from post 49 has counted, so you're all good. I added this mornings story part more as flavor and will likely do so each day.

[Lathum]

OK, well my vote stands for now then. I would probably switch to someone who doesn't check in or if my vote becomes meaningless.

[JAG]

Hi PB,

Can you reconcile this for me? You said last night:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

When you are disguised, you are in car mode BUT some characters might be able to find things out about you, kill you, etc. but it is less likely than if you are in your robot mode. However, if you do a night action, it puts you in disguise mode. Hope that helps!

So that seems to say 'robot' (Transformer) mode is more vulnerable than disguise mode. But the rules state:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Roles:However, for most of you to exercise your abilities, you will have to risk being in disguise mode, a weakened state in which, for instance, if you are Bumblebee, you would be a Camaro that night rather than in robot form. By being in this state, there are very large disadvantages, such as a much higher chance of being nightkilled or perhaps challenged/killed by another player. Understand however, your safety is not guaranteed in Transformer mode. In fact, most of you will be unable to do your action if you are in Transformer mode.

Transformer Abilities (taking any action, unless otherwise stated, leaves you in the vulnerable disguise mode that night)

Which leads one to believe the disguise state is the weakened state. I assume the rules are correct on this point, but I'd like to see it clarified if you could.

[PurdueBrad]

JAG, rules are right as is your understanding. Correcting that post again (I knew I had another wording issue there, gracias).

[DaddyTorgo]

alright...day 1 here we go

*eyeing the game*

[JAG]

The last game I played with Alan, he was uncanny with his intuition. However, I didn't think EF's posts were any different than they usually are so I'm going to go a different way for now.

vote lerriuqs

[PurdueBrad]

UPDATED

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Votes as of post 108:

Eaglefan (3): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96)
Schmidty (1): Eaglefan (63)
Lerriuqs (2): Danny (92), JAG (108)

[hoopsguy]

JAG, why did you opt for voting Lerriuqs in this spot?
- as opposed to bringing in a 4th candidate?
- as opposed to Schmidty, who also had one vote?

Was this a straight random vote, or was there something behind it other than "not follow Alan, not add to leading vote getter"? Because that is all I could construe from your vote post.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

JAG, why did you opt for voting Lerriuqs in this spot?
- as opposed to bringing in a 4th candidate?
- as opposed to Schmidty, who also had one vote?

Was this a straight random vote, or was there something behind it other than "not follow Alan, not add to leading vote getter"? Because that is all I could construe from your vote post.

Yeah, I didn't post the rest of my thoughts:

1. I felt like in recent games we had been going a little hog wild with number of candidates D1, so I felt like adding another vote as opposed to bringing in another player.

2. Schmidty's earlier posts made him sound villagery, so I didn't go there.

I had zero read on lerriuqs whatsoever, so he was my process of elimination vote.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I agree on point #2 (Schmidty = early villager vibe).

I'm not quite ready to go down the "consolidation" path this early, however. I'm not sure how good/bad any of the three candidates are at this point.

I'll take my own shot at a guy that I like to try and get talking in these games, TheJackal. He can be a real high volume poster at times, but other games he drifts into the background and I forget he is playing. I'll put the vote here now if for no other reason than for wanting to have the vocal Jackal playing this one.

VOTE THE JACKAL

[GoldenEagle]

I am checking in. It is going to be a busy day at work so I won't be around much.

[dubb93]

JAG

I would hate to miss out on discussing a player, JAG who has introduced the early second candidate.

I do agree with everyone else that I don't think Schmidty seems bad based on his early posts.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by dubb93

JAG

I would hate to miss out on discussing a player, JAG who has introduced the early second candidate.

I do agree with everyone else that I don't think Schmidty seems bad based on his early posts.

eh,

Vote JAG

[PurdueBrad]

Votes as of post 115:

Eaglefan (3): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96)
Schmidty (1): Eaglefan (63)
Lerriuqs (2): Danny (92), JAG (108)
The Jackal (1): Hoopsguy (112)
JAG (1): dubb93 (115)

[Autumn]

I'm of the "put a fire under the quieter player" persuasion, and especially after the last few games I've played where it seems the vocal villagers got knocked out early. I wouldn't want to add a sixth to the mix now, so I'd be mostly likely to go Lerriuqs here, but I could go Schmidty as well.

[Autumn]

With roles distributed to everyone, it's going to make lynching that much worse. I hate to knock out a useful role early. These games I always get excited about all the extra powers we get, and forget about this part of it.

[Autumn]

Actually I don't want to turn this into a two person race, and so I'm going to go Schmidty, for now. The last game I was a wolf with him he showed that it's a bad idea to let him stay under the radar, so this should at least keep him talking ;-) I'll be around to move my vote if anyone tweaks my wolfdar.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[EagleFan]

Checking back in, looks like there are more Giants fans on here than I thought...

unvote Schmidty

His play doesn't strike me as wolf-Schmidty as of yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm underwater at work - i'll make sure to at least get a vote in before i leave since i imagine i might not get home much before 9 (have to run an errand right after dinner that will take bout an hour)

[J23]

vote Lerriuqs

Simply because I'm yet to be able to get any kind of read on him.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE THE JACKAL

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Votes as of post 123:

Eaglefan (3): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96)
Lerriuqs (3): Danny (92), JAG (108), J23 (122)
The Jackal (2): Hoopsguy (112), Passacaglia (123)
JAG (1): dubb93 (115)
Schmidty (1): Autumn (119)

Updated

[DaddyTorgo]

well at least we don't have 18 candidates today...

[Darth Vilus]

alright well I have to be getting to work right now ut i'm going to

vote lerriuqs

It was either a toss up beteween him or EF so i just picked one

[Darth Vilus]

vote lerriuqs

i forgot to bold it

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

alright well I have to be getting to work right now ut i'm going to

vote lerriuqs

It was either a toss up beteween him or EF so i just picked one

Why didn't you consider Jackal

Originally Posted by J23

vote Lerriuqs

Simply because I'm yet to be able to get any kind of read on him.

And how many here do you actually have a read on at this point?

I am curious as to why I've become a prime Day 1 target. I've been doing a pretty good job at sniffing out wolves based on posting in the last couple of games so the only reason I can see for voting me this early is to get me out of the way as a perceived threat by the wolves.

My strength is my voting, which normally comes out over the course of the game. Probably not a surprise the wolves would try to can that right off the bat.

To those voting for me and those still to vote. Give me a few days to prove myself before you vote me out. I'll demonstrate that I'm an autobot.

In the meantime, for now anyways, I'm going to look at the one who cast the first vote on me.

Vote Danny

[J23]

Perhaps I should have been more clear. When I said I was yet to get a read on you, I had meant in previous games. Of those with votes on them, you're the hardest for me to get a read on.

[PurdueBrad]

This is the big gap where I am out. I will be back by 8 pm EST if you guys need anything. Don't kill each other while I'm gone...unless of course you really want to!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Why didn't you consider Jackal



And how many here do you actually have a read on at this point?

I am curious as to why I've become a prime Day 1 target. I've been doing a pretty good job at sniffing out wolves based on posting in the last couple of games so the only reason I can see for voting me this early is to get me out of the way as a perceived threat by the wolves.

My strength is my voting, which normally comes out over the course of the game. Probably not a surprise the wolves would try to can that right off the bat.

To those voting for me and those still to vote. Give me a few days to prove myself before you vote me out. I'll demonstrate that I'm an autobot.

In the meantime, for now anyways, I'm going to look at the one who cast the first vote on me.

Vote Danny

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you!

Anyway, I think this is a pretty tired argument.

[JAG]

unvote lerriuqs
vote eaglefan

Not sure if anyone is avoiding him on purpose, but it seems odd he hasn't sniffed a vote for a while, so my vote is heading here.

[Passacaglia]

But I do agree with wondering why Darth Vilus dismissed The Jackal as an option.

[The Jackal]

Well, partly in self defense and partly in a decision between EF and lerriuqs posts:

VOTE EF

[PurdueBrad]

Also, I would appreciate any vote counts updates you can do.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JAG

unvote lerriuqs
vote eaglefan

Not sure if anyone is avoiding him on purpose, but it seems odd he hasn't sniffed a vote for a while, so my vote is heading here.

can you explain the logic behind this argument because it makes no sense to me.

[Lathum]

Eaglefan (5): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96) Jag (132) Jackal (134)
Lerriuqs (3): Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127)
The Jackal (2): Hoopsguy (112), Passacaglia (123)
JAG (1): dubb93 (115)
Schmidty (1): Autumn (119)
Danny (1) lerriuqs (128)

[KWhit]

Hey guys. I just got caught up and am checking in for the first time today.

Not sure where I'll go with my vote yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

I feel like the backwards-squirrel is getting somewhat of a bum-rap so I don't want to vote for him, but I'd like to tighten things up a bit, so for now (and with the understanding I may not be back by 9pm EST to change it):

VOTE JACKAL

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Lathum

can you explain the logic behind this argument because it makes no sense to me.

Honestly it's based more on feeling than iron logic. If EF is a wolf, I would expect wolves to avoid voting for him, especially if he has one of the more juicy wolf roles. Granted that assumption didn't work out too well last game, but there should be quite a few more wolves this game with all villagers having a role.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JAG

Honestly it's based more on feeling than iron logic. If EF is a wolf, I would expect wolves to avoid voting for him, especially if he has one of the more juicy wolf roles. Granted that assumption didn't work out too well last game, but there should be quite a few more wolves this game with all villagers having a role.

I was thinking the same thing, and the fact that Lathum seemed so against it worries me.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Autumn]

Obviously the Schmidty vote is wasted right now. I need to keep getting some work done, but will have a chance to get back in later. I'll think about where to go.

[lerriuqs]

Checking in before heading home. Obviously Danny won't gain any traction today so I'll be changing my vote before the deadline. Later.

[hoopsguy]

I think I'm interested in keeping Lerriuqs close in this one. FWIW, I did think he had terrific analysis down the stretch in the last game and I would like to give him some rope to play with as a result. But I'm feeling a little hinky about this latest EF surge and I think it makes sense to keep a two man race going right now. That means Lerriuqs at the moment, for better or worse.

UNVOTE JACKAL
VOTE LERRIUQS

[The Jackal]

FYI tonight is one of those nights where I'm about to leave and will be out for the night. Good luck with the lynch.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Out of curiosity, have you checked to see how well that strategy has worked out for you?

Actually in the past three games I have played all three times the person has been a wolf. So it has great success. The last game I remember is I voted for Autumn and then I got duked and stopped following the game, and GE told me later that Autumn was a wolf. So this 'silly' strategy works for me

[LoneStarGirl]

Looks like this is a three person race so

vote lerriuqs

[RendeR]

Not fond of day one votes. Never have been.

I have nothing to go on any of these folks so I'll be back before 9 to see if a vote matters at this point.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Not fond of day one votes. Never have been.

I have nothing to go on any of these folks so I'll be back before 9 to see if a vote matters at this point.

Wait. You're saying that you might not vote because you don't like day 1?

That's weird, and it messes up vote analysis later in the game. Just curious as to why you think that would be a good idea.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I was thinking the same thing, and the fact that Lathum seemed so against it worries me.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE EAGLEFAN

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me where I was against anything? I asked him to explain his logic.

I have a vote on EF for christs sake,have you even read the thread? Seems to me like you are trying to set me up for something.