Shooting at Connecticut School

[spleen1015]

20 kids. WTF?! Sad sad shit.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

This is one of the times I am glad that my wife teaches at an urban school. They have two full time police officers on the campus at all times. When we go to sporting events, they have cops in full body armor and strapped with automatic rifles.

Yeah, come to think of it, I remember having an armed escort to play East St. Louis when I was in HS. It was a little funny to most of us players as we all knew each other very well from camps and such over the summer. But, the high school at ESL was in a pretty rough area and some of the parents wanted us to be protected.

That was back in 1993, so one would think we could reach a point where some form of security was present at each school.

[stevew]

It's bad enough when a local kid just got accidentally killed by an accidentally chambered handgun. This type of shit makes me so fuckin angry and sad.

[GoldenEagle]

Official numbers are 27 dead: 20 children, 6 adults, and the shooter.

[Young Drachma]

This 'Ryan Lanza Facebook Profile Is The Connecticut Shooter' Stuff Is Fucking Up Everything

I'm FB friends with the profile being sent around. This is a real screen grab. twitter.com/MattBors/statu…

— Matt Bors (@MattBors) December 14, 2012

Matt Bors is a Pulitzer Prize finalist for editorial cartooning and apparently was friends on FB with this Ryan Lanza character, but not RL friends with him, since the FB profile was just for his comics. So the screen grab isn't shopped.

But apparently the profile has been deleted or deactivated.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Arles

That was back in 1993, so one would think we could reach a point where some form of security was present at each school.

1993 was the peak of violent crime in the U.S., both violent crime generally and murder rates were just about double what they were per capita in 2011 - I can't imagine what it was in East St. Louis then. Just saying I can see parents on high alert. School/mass shootings themselves may be a different/distinct issue. Hopefully this doesn't count as "getting into it".

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Haven't seen it mentioned, but there was a school attack in China today too. No guns allowed over there, so the attacks are often knives or axes. They actually have to register if they own a knife over there, much like we do with guns.

Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children - CNN.com

[Easy Mac]

Now reports are saying the guys brother was the shooter.

This is just shoddy reporting by the news agencies.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Haven't seen it mentioned, but there was a school attack in China today too. No guns allowed over there, so the attacks are often knives or axes.

Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children - CNN.com

how many died?

[mckerney]

MASSACRE: Up to 27 people, including 20 children, shot dead at elementary school in Connecticut - NYPOST.com

Adam Lanza, 20, shot his mother dead and targeted her kindergarten class at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., sources sais. Sources also told The Post that Lanza's mother was a teacher at the school and he "had a dispute with her."

Lanza is dead inside the school.

Lanza used two handguns and a .223-caliber assault rifle, an official said. The official also said that New Jersey state police are searching a location in connection with the shootings.


Police in Hoboken, NJ are questioning Lanza's older brother Ryan, 24, but he is not a suspect.

Looks like the facebook profile going around might have been the right person in a way, but it may be his younger brother Adam that is the shooter.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I love how your attempt to start a thread to discuss the issue (complete with warning in title it might get heated) was closed within like 5 posts.

Originally Posted by Noop

Careful with all this talk about guns because Skydog will ban you.

Honestly guys, I can't think of a worse time to start bitching about modding. Consider this a warning.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

how many died?

Still several in critical condition. Just terribly sad to see two similar crimes on the same day.

[Young Drachma]

Most outlets confirming that Adam Lanza, 20, is the shooter and that Ryan is not a suspect.

[mckerney]

newtown.patch.com/articles/reports-of-shooting-at-sandy-hook-elementary-school

Patch exclusive: The man identified in media reports Friday as the shooter has told friends that he thinks his developmentally disabled brother may have committed the crime, Patch has learned.

A close friend of Ryan Lanza who would not be identified told Patch that he spoke to Lanza as Lanza made his way home from work to Hoboken. Lanza also took to his Facebook page to rail against CNN naming him as the suspect in the shooting in Newtown, Conn.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by mckerney

MASSACRE: Up to 27 people, including 20 children, shot dead at elementary school in Connecticut - NYPOST.com



Looks like the facebook profile going around might have been the right person in a way, but it may be his younger brother Adam that is the shooter.

Great now the all mighty internet mob can attack someone else from afar, until we really find out if that is the right name.

[GoldenEagle]

I think the name Ryan Lanza came straight from law enforcement.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I think the name Ryan Lanza came straight from law enforcement.

I saw it came from CNN first, I don't think police named suspect sitting the press conference. Likely CNN or some one in media heard it confirmed it was the son our the kindergarten teacher Mrs. Landa and went with it from there. Instead they named the guy whose brother ours responsible and whose whole family was apparently just killed as it looks like reports of the shooters brother being killed were changed to father.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Arles

Yeah, come to think of it, I remember having an armed escort to play East St. Louis when I was in HS. It was a little funny to most of us players as we all knew each other very well from camps and such over the summer. But, the high school at ESL was in a pretty rough area and some of the parents wanted us to be protected.

What kind of a crazy world do we live in that East St Louis is being used as a model for safety?

SI

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by mckerney

I saw it came from CNN first, I don't think police named suspect sitting the press conference. Likely CNN or some one in media heard it confirmed it was the son our the kindergarten teacher Mrs. Landa and went with it from there. Instead they named the guy whose brother ours responsible and whose whole family was apparently just killed as it looks like reports of the shooters brother being killed were changed to father.

Sounds like the guy (Adam) had his brother's (Ryan) ID. Police had that, and leaked the name to media.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

What kind of a crazy world do we live in that East St Louis is being used as a model for safety?

SI

To be fair, he did say that the visiting school was the one providing the security detail. To the East St. Louis people, it was just another day.

[BYU 14]

Just heard on another board that apparently the office doors to the school are locked duinrg school hours and the shooter was buzzed in because they knew him as the son of the teacher. Haven't been able to confirm it, but this just adds a whole new level of horror to the tragedy, as the person at the office would have no reason to be suspicious.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I was just thinking about this summer when my oldest daughter received her first teacher assignment for kindergarten. I can't even put into a frame of reference the thought that my daughter's fate could lie in something as random as which teacher was selected for her as it apparently did in this case.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Just heard on another board that apparently the office doors to the school are locked duinrg school hours and the shooter was buzzed in because they knew him as the son of the teacher. Haven't been able to confirm it, but this just adds a whole new level of horror to the tragedy, as the person at the office would have no reason to be suspicious.

That's pretty standard at most elementary schools in this area. They have cameras outside where you have to identify yourself before you can enter at my daughter's school. I'm sure it's going to be a whole lot tougher to get into her school during the day going forward.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm sure it's going to be a whole lot tougher to get into her school during the day going forward.

For a little while anyway.

(not making light, just being observational/honest)

[Autumn]

Well, and this demonstrates why it doesn't necessarily help. Would anyone have kept this guy out? Unless he was obviously packing, but the child of a teacher, or a parent, or what have you is going ot get in no matter what.

[Lathum]

words can not describe how unfathomable it is to even think of this. When my son is throwing a fit tonight because he doesn't want to put jammies on before bed I'll be thankful. My heart hurts for these parents and families involved.

[mckerney]

And now reports are no bodies found at the house. Pretty much every element of the story has been misreported at some point today.

[Kodos]

Here is an unedited post from Facebook by my brother, who lives in New Milford. I'll warn you upfront--it is heartbreaking.

A good friend of mine at work lost his only daughter in the shooting today in Newtown. As we were getting ready to leave work yesterday, he told me about how he was taking the day off (today) and that after his daughter got home from school, they were going with his wife to NYC to see the tree and ice-skating at Rockefeller Center. Please keep all of the victims and families involved in your thoughts and prayers. We as a civilized society need to put an end to this. What worse could possibly happen than having children as the innocent victims? The only good that can come from today is to have it be the inspiration to enact the gun control which has been needed for so long. Our founding fathers were thinking of foreign invaders when they wrote of "the right to bear arms". That is not how handguns and automatic weapons are being used in our society, and this must be put to an end!

[Kodos]

I don't see how a parent could ever recover from something like this.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Here is an unedited post from Facebook by my brother, who lives in New Milford. I'll warn you upfront--it is heartbreaking.

Originally Posted by Kodos

I don't see how a parent could ever recover from something like this.

Me neither.

It is a very sad and very real reminder nothing is promised to us, not even time with our children. So very sad.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I don't see how a parent could ever recover from something like this.

I don't think they are meant to. I had a friend tragically past away over 20 years ago. One of her relatives I think finally drove past the area where it happened this year. To this day I hate that week time frame of the year, and I was merely a friend.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

For a little while anyway.

(not making light, just being observational/honest)

I agree. There will be a reactionary backlash and eventually they'll find a new norm.

[RainMaker]

This is one of the most fucked up stories I've ever heard.

[MizzouRah]

Been watching this.. very very very sad. It's just hard to fathom someone is capable of doing something like this.

[molson]

I'm guessing those security precautions are mainly about keeping sexual predators out. But nothing's fool-proof.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Here is an unedited post from Facebook by my brother, who lives in New Milford. I'll warn you upfront--it is heartbreaking.

Damn Kodos, words can't even begin to describe feeling reading that gave me. There is no way at all I can fathom what those poor parents are going through.

I have been teared up all day over this.....Poor kids..

[JPhillips]

It just hits home that any time I kiss my girl goodbye it could be the last time I see her. I pray for the families and for the survivors. Those kids are going to have a very rough time.

[King of New York]

Now CNN reports that Adam Lanza killed his mother at home in CT, and then went to the school, I guess for the purpose of killing her students. Dear God.

Given how many incorrect news reports have come out today, I suppose that this one might be wrong as well, but I'd been assuming that the mother was killed at school.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by King of New York

Given how many incorrect news reports have come out today, I suppose that this one might be wrong as well, but I'd been assuming that the mother was killed at school.

In their quest to be "FIRST WITH THE NEWS!!!!111!!! WE BR0UGHT IT TO YOU FIRRRRRRSSSSTTT!!!!!", I'm very jaded now and really don't take anything as being very accurate until a day or so after the events.

[mckerney]

Brought to you first live by interviews with 6 year old eyewitnesses!

[Sun Tzu]

What Kooter said.

[mckerney]

"Now Timmy, when the man shot your teacher and classmates right in front of you, how sis that make you feel?"

[JediKooter]

Reporters should get fined or suspended for doing that. Or short of that, a five finger sandwich to the chops.

[ISiddiqui]

[Sun Tzu]

I guess it's fairly safe to say that any FOFC buzz-topics are going to result in ban-hammers coming down like never before.

[cmp]

So much misinformation reported today. Terrible job by the news organizations.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by cmp

So much misinformation reported today. Terrible job by the news organizations.

Yep. This is what happens in an age of texting and acronyms. Who cares if the information is correct or even legible as long as you (the reporter/agency) were the first to report it.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by King of New York

Now CNN reports that Adam Lanza killed his mother at home in CT, and then went to the school, I guess for the purpose of killing her students. Dear God.

Given how many incorrect news reports have come out today, I suppose that this one might be wrong as well, but I'd been assuming that the mother was killed at school.

I was happy with NPR on the way home as they seemed to not be saying things unless they are official or live reporting that they were doing on the ground. They have mentioned that there has been speculation about who it is but would not say anything more about it except that we may not have a confirmation until tomorrow.

SI

[M GO BLUE!!!]

So the guy on Facebook was the brother of the shooter and the son of the teacher? And he spends the afternoon bitching on Facebook that he's not the shooter while his mother is dead by the gun of his now dead murderer brother?

[cmp]

With the way everything is going right now who knows what he actually even knew at that point.