WW Small Game III: Players have "n" Lives: GAME OVER Villagers Win

[Fouts]

Hmm, nevermind. We are replacing our villagers with villagers (most likely). So the game won't be over by the end of day 2.

[SnDvls]

You all go to bed hoping that the lynching is the only death the town will see tonight, but an uneasy feeling in your stomachs makes you realize that it’s probably a long shot. As you wake up you and gather to take a head count your worst fears are realized one of you is missing, Tyrith. A few of you quickly head to his house, but he’s not there a quick check around town and you find his body mauled outside the town bank. It seems he was locking up after a long night and was surprised by a werewolf. The look of horror is still in his eyes as you lay him to rest.

[SnDvls]

Tyrith your new role has been PM'd
begin day 2

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I won't be back on until later this afternoon. I was hoping to see who was night killed before hitting the sack. I am fairly certain that blade and I are villagers at this point, probably barkeep, too. While, Lathum's come and eat me posts are suspicious, I think it is too obvious.

What has me confused is how the moderator will get 4 wolves run thru this game. If we started 5-2, the game could be over by the end of day 2.

We started off 14-4, its now 12-4

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

We started off 14-4, its now 12-4

Of course, if I understand the rules correctly, we might have to kill one of the 12 in order to get one of the four. Right? I mean if somebody is currently a villager, but has a secondary role as a wolf we'd have to kill them twice in order to win? Or am I missing something? It seems rather macabre to have to kill somebody we think is good in order to possibly kill them as a bad guy so I'm hoping there is a flaw in my analysis.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm looking at Jonathan today. Early on he asked alot of questions about wolves. Then he cast the second vote on barkeep which is always suspiscous to me.

We were trying to figure out how the wolves worked in this game, so I was asking questions. I was trying to help the conversation along, and there were some things brought up that I'd never experienced in a game before.

As for my vote, at the time only Barkeep and Fouts had votes. Nothing much was going on, so again, I tried to push things along by casting a vote for one of them. I didn't want to vote for Fouts because I felt bad for him dying on the first day the past couple of games. In retrospect, I wish I would have gone with Fouts over Barkeep, but I had no idea that Barkeep was the seer.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Fouts

While, Lathum's come and eat me posts are suspicious, I think it is too obvious.

I'm not so quick to dismiss it. What better way for a shrewd player to say "Come and eat me" and then say, "If I was really a wolf, would I be so obvious?" If I was evil, this is how I would play it. Do something outrageous and then claim that I would have to be stupid to do something as obvious as that.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

We were trying to figure out how the wolves worked in this game, so I was asking questions. I was trying to help the conversation along, and there were some things brought up that I'd never experienced in a game before.

As for my vote, at the time only Barkeep and Fouts had votes. Nothing much was going on, so again, I tried to push things along by casting a vote for one of them. I didn't want to vote for Fouts because I felt bad for him dying on the first day the past couple of games. In retrospect, I wish I would have gone with Fouts over Barkeep, but I had no idea that Barkeep was the seer.

I'll buy this explanation, since you're a newer player. I will just say, however, that you could have easily gone for a third option. Once you cast a second vote for me it becomes a two dog race.

[Lathum]

OK, here is how I see things.

Barkeep- seer- villegar
Tyrith- bank owner- villegar
Lathum- Villegar

with only 7 in the game that leave

Jonathan- Cast second barkeep vote
Fouts- Voted barkeep out of self preservation
Blade- Forced into casting deciding vote on barkeep
ntndeacon- casts the second vote on fouts forcing barkeep and fouts to vote for each other leaving blade in the dark.

Right now Jonathan and NTN stand out based on their voting.

I am working from home today so i'll be around to discuss.

[Tyrith]

Well, heck. I keep dying in small game. It's getting annoying. I suspect the reason why sndvls is running this game is that he got tired of being killed in small game, too.

Yeah, I can buy the ntn and Jonathan arguments, although even the wolves don't know anything right now....so I dunno.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'll buy this explanation, since you're a newer player. I will just say, however, that you could have easily gone for a third option. Once you cast a second vote for me it becomes a two dog race.

Yeah, I didn't think about my vote turning it into a two way race. Lesson learned.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Well, heck. I keep dying in small game. It's getting annoying. I suspect the reason why sndvls is running this game is that he got tired of being killed in small game, too.

well that and I always thought it sucked to die day one and not really participate so this way everyone still gets to be around after a day

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Yeah, I didn't think about my vote turning it into a two way race. Lesson learned.

It isn't always a lesson learned unless it's reinforced by a hanging....

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Of course, if I understand the rules correctly, we might have to kill one of the 12 in order to get one of the four. Right? I mean if somebody is currently a villager, but has a secondary role as a wolf we'd have to kill them twice in order to win? Or am I missing something? It seems rather macabre to have to kill somebody we think is good in order to possibly kill them as a bad guy so I'm hoping there is a flaw in my analysis.

Here was my idea of what i expected.

We have 2 sets of roles, the one everyone started with and the one everyone gets after they die once. Correctly or not i was assuming we had 2 wolves in the first 7 roles, and 2 in the second 7. As for having to lynch a villager to get their, its possible. But, i think the wolves will help us with that at night.

[Blade6119]

VOTE NTNDEACON

I could be easily persuaded to vote lathum right now too, and ive laid out my reasons for both already

[Lathum]

well based on my analysis

vote NTNDEACON

[Tyrith]

Yeah, okay, I'll bite on NTN.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[LoneStarGirl]

Lathum, I hate to interrupt, but do you always misspell villagers on purpose? Or accident? Cuz I always read it is vinegar for some reason.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Lathum, I hate to interrupt, but do you always misspell villagers on purpose? Or accident? Cuz I always read it is vinegar for some reason.

i am a world champion misspeller.

It actually got me killed one game.

[Tyrith]

It seems that often times the worst thing a player can do in WW is make a typo. Typos will get people distrusted, slaughtered, and used as a pawn by the bad guys. We should all probably review our posts before we make them...but I won't, and what's the fun in that? :P

[Fouts]

Its either NTN or Jonathan to me.

vote NTN

[Barkeep49]

Well this was an easy day to catch up on. I'm thinking the badnwagon on NTN is interesting. With the wolves not knowing each other, it creates a different voting incentive. I will have to go back and really scrutinize NTN's posts to see if I think the 4 easy votes are justified.

[ntndeacon]

well I am going to go in the direction I alluded to when itold Blade Iwasn't plannig on voting for him today. I am and have been suspicious of Jonathan as well. So that is where I am going.
Vote Jonathan

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I was holding off on voting to see what ntn had to say, and I guess this settles it for me.

VOTE ntndeacon

[Barkeep49]

After rereading the thread I'm torn. I think that the best case can be made for NTN being a wolf. But bandwagons, even when wolves don't know each other make me uneasy. IN the end though I'm about being right, so...

Vote ntn

[Lathum]

NTN, if you have any defense now would be a good time...

[ntndeacon]

since we have already killed the seer . I can say this without it hurting us more. It might not be a bad idea to kill everyone once. get the hidden roles out there in play. and Asumming that Jonathan is correct, we kill 2 wolves in the process.

[ntndeacon]

I am only the baker. I will say that my vote did not have to condemn one or the other to the lynch yesterday. it was 2-2 for Barkeep and Fouts with 3 left to go. There was plenty of time to go after another person.
As my opinion on the wolves go, One of the things that have gotten me in trouble in the past was not coming up with things helpful to the side of good. one of the very things that is being used to damn me this time.

[Blade6119]

Claiming that job earns him a level of trust from me for the time being

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE LATHUM

If he turns up bad im really screwed tomorrow

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Claiming that job earns him a level of trust from me for the time being

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE LATHUM

If he turns up bad im really screwed tomorrow

you won't be screwed for that Blade

[Barkeep49]

Lathum? Blade could we agree on someone else?

[Lathum]

Blade, why are you so easily diverted? He could be making up any role at this point. Vote me if you like but I would rather be killed by a wolf at night.

btw, I am a retired security guard

[Barkeep49]

I'm the town drunk. So that would be 2 out of my last 3 games where I've had an alcohol related role.

[Fouts]

I'm not switching to Lathum at this point. NTN and Jonathan are my suspects. I don't like blade switching because NTN called "baker".

[SnDvls]

just under one hour to go

here's what I show right now

ntndeacon - Lathum, Tyrith, Fouts, Jonathan Ezarik, Barkeep49
Jonathan Ezarik - ntndeacon
Lathum - Blade6119

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I'm not switching to Lathum at this point. NTN and Jonathan are my suspects. I don't like blade switching because NTN called "baker".

Well seeing as how im the butcher, and im a regular villager, it rings true to me. We dont know yet, but for the time being im assuming the bad guys wouldnt have that role. And its a role reveal i believe for now with my role

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Blade, why are you so easily diverted? He could be making up any role at this point. Vote me if you like but I would rather be killed by a wolf at night.

btw, I am a retired security guard

Two things here...again with your calling to be night killed which worries me...

2nd, why reveal something like this. You arent in any danger, so strongly hinting at this role is very odd to me...

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Two things here...again with your calling to be night killed which worries me...

2nd, why reveal something like this. You arent in any danger, so strongly hinting at this role is very odd to me...

what role am I hinting at. I am not the bodyguard and I have no special powers.

And until someone comes out and says they are the candlestick maker I'm not buying you or NTN

[SnDvls]

time check

[SnDvls]

Just like on day one a mob forms. Today, however, it's a very overwhelming
majority that question ntndeacon. He pleads his case, but it seems it is just
too late. The rope is placed around his neck and he is strung up to the tree
just as he gasps his last breath he says again, "I'm the baker," pleading for
his life. His body goes limp and you begin to wonder if you made another
mistake. You search his body and discover some baking flower in the cuffs
of his pants, seems he was telling the truth he was Richard Glover the baker.

ntndeacon - Lathum, Tyrith, Fouts, Jonathan Ezarik, Barkeep49
Jonathan Ezarik - ntndeacon
Lathum - Blade6119

ntn your new role will be PM'd shortly

night actions due by 8AM

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

And until someone comes out and says they are the candlestick maker I'm not buying you or NTN

Ya, about that...turns out i was telling the truth...

[ntndeacon]

I tried to tell you.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I tried to tell you.

I believed ya, sorry for starting to voting on you in the first place

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ya, about that...turns out i was telling the truth...

telling the truth about what?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

telling the truth about what?

That it was likely he was the baker since i am the butcher...you said you wouldnt believe us until the candlemaker came out, but with his lynching and role confirmed you now look like the untrustworthy one.

You really want to stick with the story your a retired security guard but not the bodyguard?

[ntndeacon]

Blade, were we told about a body guard? I realize that doesn't necc. mean he isn't but it at least implies it.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Blade, were we told about a body guard? I realize that doesn't necc. mean he isn't but it at least implies it.

No, we werent told about one...but we had a seer, and we have 14 role...chances are we have one(maybe not in the first 7 though). Its not so much hes not claiming bodyguard as im not sure why sndvls would give a title like that unless it was for the bodyguard. Barkeep was a newspaper reporter(which has been used for seer before), and lathum says he is a retired security guard(also used before in past games for BG) but says he is not the bg

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Da Rules

It is a known roles game so all roles are shown below and revealed upon death.

If all roles are shown and bodyguard isn't listed, does that mean that there's not a bodyguard?

[Blade6119]

Thank you smartass, ill be quiet now...

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Thank you smartass, ill be quiet now...

Are you talking to me? I wasn't trying to be a smartass. It's an honest question. Can there be a bodyguard role if it's not listed? I don't have enough experience to know if this happens or not.