.400 Software Studio's major shake up - Page 3

hoosierdude · 07-30-2003, 12:55 AM

When it does go up, there will be a lot of news. I know I can't wait. This TPF looks to be a interesting play to say the least!

Tekneek · 07-30-2003, 02:25 PM

What is taking so long? I could have had that domain name pointed at any server in the world, even a dynamic IP address, in no more than 36 - 48 hours.

mrskippy · 07-30-2003, 03:00 PM

My understanding is they're also doing a domain transfer, not just changing DNS information, which could be the reason why it's taken some extra time.

Tekneek · 07-30-2003, 03:04 PM

Seems like there's no reason you could not point the domain to the new IP before you change the ownership. I've never seen it take this long, even when going between businesses. Especially small ones that aren't full of lawyers and red tape.

mrskippy · 07-30-2003, 03:14 PM

Hehehe, I thought the same thing. But got flamed when I brought it up at the OOTP forums.

Tekneek · 07-30-2003, 03:15 PM

If they needed help with it, they could have asked.

I would've consulted free of charge, or for an OOTP5 license.

Anrhydeddu · 07-30-2003, 03:15 PM

skippy, we saw.

mrskippy · 07-30-2003, 03:17 PM

Just be patient. My prediction of Thursday or Friday still stands.

What do I get if I'm right?

Free ITP, Free ITP, Free ITP oh and Free TBCB, Free TBCB, Free TBCB.

Hehehehehhehehehehe

Skippy

ScottVib · 07-30-2003, 03:19 PM

We're still waiting on it.. unfortunately the automated process used by the old provider can take up to 5 days to transfer everything over. So we've been doing what we can to make sure everything is ready to go just as soon as everythings transferred over so that we can be up and running just as soon as possible.

Trust me there is no one chomping at the bit to get going more than Arlie, Joe, myself or the rest of the team at .400 Studios.

mrskippy · 07-30-2003, 03:23 PM

5 days, eh? Damn I'm good!!!

Hammer755 · 07-30-2003, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrskippy
Hehehe, I thought the same thing. But got flamed when I brought it up at the OOTP forums.

Yes, that's exactly how you put it.

Wait, no, this is exactly how you put it.

Quote:

Originally posted by mrskippy
****ing Markus, leaves a company because he can't hand the reigns to someone else and take a lower roll.

I mean seriously, why the **** is he CEO of this company?

If he doesn't want to be a ****ing CEO, he could have made it easier by sticking with .400.

Doesn't make any ****ing sense.

FBPro · 07-30-2003, 03:58 PM

Ouch......such a way w/ words.......

KWhit · 07-30-2003, 04:00 PM

Such a way with asterisks.

FBPro · 07-30-2003, 04:01 PM

My ***** exactly.

Tekneek · 07-30-2003, 04:07 PM

He has a point. If you don't want to be CEO, then why insist on being CEO? OOTP Developments put 400 over a barrel when the split happened, and may have done some fairly significant damage to 400 by (so far as it appears to me as an outsider) bungling the domain transfer (which did not need to be done AFTER the split) but making sure they had all their stuff ready to roll.

Maybe everything was alright, but OOTP Developments being ready to roll immediately while making the 400 guys twiddle their thumbs looks and feels like an intentional slight.

FBPro · 07-30-2003, 04:08 PM

Also, if you don't want **** then why *** ********.

mrskippy · 07-30-2003, 04:13 PM

Actually, I was just testing out the censor thing when that happened.

However isn't there some irony in the fact that Markus still holds the title of CEO at the new company?

One would assume that he still has to manage the books, make the profit share decisions, etc. That's true no matter how big or small your company is.

My only thinking was that, couldn't have Markus simply stepped down as CEO, while remaining with 400 Software Studios? That happens all the time in business. That's what Bill Gates did at Microsoft.

That is the ONLY reason why I was suspicious of the move at first. However, I've since decided that I don't care so long as we still get great games from both parties.

thirdandlong · 07-30-2003, 07:23 PM

Actually it is due to this shakeup that I found this forum...I recently discovered TDCB and was following the TPF development. I didn't know much about FoF, I installed the first EA release way back in the day...but encountered some technical difficulties and wrote it off. I am beginning to think that was a mistake. I downloaded the FoF demo, and will give it a shot tonight. Anyhow enough of an introduction.

My take on the .400 OOTP split as a complete outsider, is that it is not near as friendly as it is being portrayed. The fact that the OOTP site and forums were up and ready to go, while the .400 site and forums were apparently started from scratch on Friday speaks volumes more than the spin folks are posting on various sites. It looks to me like the .400 folks got ambushed with this. If they didn't want people like me to come to that conclusion, they would have kept the existing forums up for a few days before shutting them down to make a conversion.

mrskippy · 07-30-2003, 07:38 PM

Shhhhhhhh.

Eaglesfan27 · 07-30-2003, 10:22 PM

I have to agree that if the was an amicable split, the details would have been taken care of before it happened and we wouldn't see this huge delay for the new website. Actions definitely speak louder then words.

ScottVib · 07-30-2003, 11:22 PM

Guys as Arlie said the split was an amicable split... you'll notice that we link to OOTP Developments on our site as they do to us on theirs. I still talk with Markus, Steve, Andreas, et. al daily and will remain a part of the OOTP community, albeit not as an official employee any longer. Being able to help both groups and not feel like I was hurting one or the other side was so important to me that I toyed with not aligning "officially" with either company and going back to being a fan, before accepting Joe's offer to join .400 Studios.

Unfortunately the old provider has taken awhile to get things transferred over, it's frustrating to be sure, but not anything malicious done by Markus or OOTP.

As I've mentioned Arlie, Joe, myself and the rest of the gang are ready to get things running and we're looking forward to getting rolling. As soon as the board opens we'll have an announcement as well as some new updates on our products.

kcchief19 · 07-30-2003, 11:56 PM

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Andreas Raht · 08-01-2003, 01:29 AM

Hello everybody!

The whole domain issue is very annoying, but pretty simple:

1) The domain could not be moved before the new sites and boards were complete. Otherwise we would have had offline time. We could have made a copy of the site, and start to move the domain, but we could not have made a copy of the board, because the content changes any minute, so you cannot work with a copy on the new server.
We decided to first set up the new sites, then go offline for a day to set everything up, to install a forwarder for the domain and to request the move of the domain name to the new provider. This worked fine several time with other domains. It didn't work this time. ****.
I know, there would also have been options: We could have moved everything to a brand new server at an unknown provider, hoping that the >350.000 posts board will work w/o problems, and then move the domain, hoping that we don't get offline for a few days. Ahem.

2) It's easy to demonstrate that OOTP Developments is not cheating .400 with this domain name issue: if we would have wanted to do so (which would have been pretty silly IMO) why did we install the forwarder?
No, it's like Scott says above, the provider is slow and that's all about it. I'll call him again today, but he's allways telling me "this is a standard procedure, it's in the database, a 'robot' program will do it, we cannot do anything manually". Well, it's a dedicated server, but a managed one... We've tried the procedure with the totalprofootball and -basketball domains, and it worked much better...

We can only hope that the domain name will move now!

Hey, and we wish .400 all the best for their upcoming games.
And most of all: we wish all of you great games, brought to you by .400 and OOTP Developments!

Andreas Raht
OOTP Developments

Andreas Raht · 08-01-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrskippy
Just be patient. My prediction of Thursday or Friday still stands.

What do I get if I'm right?

Free ITP, Free ITP, Free ITP oh and Free TBCB, Free TBCB, Free TBCB.

Hehehehehhehehehehe

Skippy

I'll give you a free TBCB license if it works on Friday

Promised.
I guess those providers don't understand each other... And yes, it's a domain transfer. And no, we couldn't change the IP, it's a dedicated, but managed server which doesn't offer this (simple) feature.

Swaggs · 08-01-2003, 01:29 PM

What is TBCB?

I thought it was Tournament Dreams College Baseketball...

Andreas Raht · 08-01-2003, 01:30 PM

It's Title Bout Championship Boxing.
More info at www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/

07-30-2003, 12:55 AM	#101
hoosierdude High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana	When it does go up, there will be a lot of news. I know I can't wait. This TPF looks to be a interesting play to say the least! __________________ TC Dale "Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud - Sophocles"

07-30-2003, 03:58 PM	#112
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Ouch......such a way w/ words....... __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

07-30-2003, 04:01 PM	#114
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	My ***** exactly. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

07-30-2003, 04:07 PM	#115
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	He has a point. If you don't want to be CEO, then why insist on being CEO? OOTP Developments put 400 over a barrel when the split happened, and may have done some fairly significant damage to 400 by (so far as it appears to me as an outsider) bungling the domain transfer (which did not need to be done AFTER the split) but making sure they had all their stuff ready to roll. Maybe everything was alright, but OOTP Developments being ready to roll immediately while making the 400 guys twiddle their thumbs looks and feels like an intentional slight. Last edited by Tekneek : 07-30-2003 at 04:14 PM.

07-30-2003, 04:08 PM	#116
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Also, if you don't want ** then why * ********. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

07-30-2003, 02:25 PM	#102
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	What is taking so long? I could have had that domain name pointed at any server in the world, even a dynamic IP address, in no more than 36 - 48 hours.

07-30-2003, 03:00 PM	#103
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	My understanding is they're also doing a domain transfer, not just changing DNS information, which could be the reason why it's taken some extra time.

07-30-2003, 03:04 PM	#104
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	Seems like there's no reason you could not point the domain to the new IP before you change the ownership. I've never seen it take this long, even when going between businesses. Especially small ones that aren't full of lawyers and red tape.

07-30-2003, 03:14 PM	#105
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	Hehehe, I thought the same thing. But got flamed when I brought it up at the OOTP forums.

07-30-2003, 03:15 PM	#106
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	If they needed help with it, they could have asked. I would've consulted free of charge, or for an OOTP5 license.

07-30-2003, 03:15 PM	#107
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	skippy, we saw.

07-30-2003, 03:17 PM	#108
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	Just be patient. My prediction of Thursday or Friday still stands. What do I get if I'm right? Free ITP, Free ITP, Free ITP oh and Free TBCB, Free TBCB, Free TBCB. Hehehehehhehehehehe Skippy

07-30-2003, 03:19 PM	#109
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	We're still waiting on it.. unfortunately the automated process used by the old provider can take up to 5 days to transfer everything over. So we've been doing what we can to make sure everything is ready to go just as soon as everythings transferred over so that we can be up and running just as soon as possible. Trust me there is no one chomping at the bit to get going more than Arlie, Joe, myself or the rest of the team at .400 Studios.

07-30-2003, 03:23 PM	#110
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	5 days, eh? Damn I'm good!!!

07-30-2003, 04:00 PM	#113
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Such a way with asterisks.

07-30-2003, 04:13 PM	#117
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	Actually, I was just testing out the censor thing when that happened. However isn't there some irony in the fact that Markus still holds the title of CEO at the new company? One would assume that he still has to manage the books, make the profit share decisions, etc. That's true no matter how big or small your company is. My only thinking was that, couldn't have Markus simply stepped down as CEO, while remaining with 400 Software Studios? That happens all the time in business. That's what Bill Gates did at Microsoft. That is the ONLY reason why I was suspicious of the move at first. However, I've since decided that I don't care so long as we still get great games from both parties.

07-30-2003, 07:23 PM	#118
thirdandlong Mascot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fresno CA	Actually it is due to this shakeup that I found this forum...I recently discovered TDCB and was following the TPF development. I didn't know much about FoF, I installed the first EA release way back in the day...but encountered some technical difficulties and wrote it off. I am beginning to think that was a mistake. I downloaded the FoF demo, and will give it a shot tonight. Anyhow enough of an introduction. My take on the .400 OOTP split as a complete outsider, is that it is not near as friendly as it is being portrayed. The fact that the OOTP site and forums were up and ready to go, while the .400 site and forums were apparently started from scratch on Friday speaks volumes more than the spin folks are posting on various sites. It looks to me like the .400 folks got ambushed with this. If they didn't want people like me to come to that conclusion, they would have kept the existing forums up for a few days before shutting them down to make a conversion.

07-30-2003, 07:38 PM	#119
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	Shhhhhhhh.

07-30-2003, 10:22 PM	#120
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I have to agree that if the was an amicable split, the details would have been taken care of before it happened and we wouldn't see this huge delay for the new website. Actions definitely speak louder then words. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

07-30-2003, 11:22 PM	#121
ScottVib High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My Computer	Guys as Arlie said the split was an amicable split... you'll notice that we link to OOTP Developments on our site as they do to us on theirs. I still talk with Markus, Steve, Andreas, et. al daily and will remain a part of the OOTP community, albeit not as an official employee any longer. Being able to help both groups and not feel like I was hurting one or the other side was so important to me that I toyed with not aligning "officially" with either company and going back to being a fan, before accepting Joe's offer to join .400 Studios. Unfortunately the old provider has taken awhile to get things transferred over, it's frustrating to be sure, but not anything malicious done by Markus or OOTP. As I've mentioned Arlie, Joe, myself and the rest of the gang are ready to get things running and we're looking forward to getting rolling. As soon as the board opens we'll have an announcement as well as some new updates on our products.

08-01-2003, 01:29 AM	#123
Andreas Raht OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2003	Hello everybody! The whole domain issue is very annoying, but pretty simple: 1) The domain could not be moved before the new sites and boards were complete. Otherwise we would have had offline time. We could have made a copy of the site, and start to move the domain, but we could not have made a copy of the board, because the content changes any minute, so you cannot work with a copy on the new server. We decided to first set up the new sites, then go offline for a day to set everything up, to install a forwarder for the domain and to request the move of the domain name to the new provider. This worked fine several time with other domains. It didn't work this time. ***. I know, there would also have been options: We could have moved everything to a brand new server at an unknown provider, hoping that the >350.000 posts board will work w/o problems, and then move the domain, hoping that we don't get offline for a few days. Ahem. 2) It's easy to demonstrate that OOTP Developments is not cheating .400 with this domain name issue: if we would have wanted to do so (which would have been pretty silly IMO) why did we install the forwarder? No, it's like Scott says above, the provider is slow and that's all about it. I'll call him again today, but he's allways telling me "this is a standard procedure, it's in the database, a 'robot' program will do it, we cannot do anything manually". Well, it's a dedicated server, but a managed one... We've tried the procedure with the totalprofootball and -basketball domains, and it worked much better... We can only hope that the domain name will move now! Hey, and we wish .400 all the best for their upcoming games. And most of all: we wish all of you great games, brought to you by .400 and OOTP Developments! Andreas Raht OOTP Developments __________________ Andreas Raht www.ootpdevelopments.com Out of the Park Developments Last edited by Andreas Raht : 08-01-2003 at 02:02 AM.*

08-01-2003, 01:29 PM	#125
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	What is TBCB? I thought it was Tournament Dreams College Baseketball... __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2003, 01:30 PM	#126
Andreas Raht OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2003	It's Title Bout Championship Boxing. More info at www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/ __________________ Andreas Raht www.ootpdevelopments.com Out of the Park Developments Last edited by Andreas Raht : 08-01-2003 at 01:32 PM.

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