Look, it is best to let sleeping SkyDogs lie. - Page 3

DaddyTorgo · 12-03-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm gonna say this, then shut up about the whole thing:

A) the EULA's of the games involved ALLOW the games to be sold/traded completely removed and given away to another party, as noted in quotations in other's posts.

B) There is no lack of integrity involved in this situation.

C) Screaming into the wind and threatening people that you're going to snap and go postal on anyone and everyone involved in something you disagree with if they keep arguing with you is seriously childish and utterly lacks integrity.

D) If you are indeed going to quietly ignore something, perhaps you shouldn't write up a post like the one I just quoted. Say one thing, do something else? there is a word that comes to mind...

I like you Ben, but you sure as hell can't have it both ways. Either get the facts straight and treat EVERY action equally, or stick with your own professed rule of keeping quiet and ignoring the problem. I've rather lost some respect for you over this and thats a sad thing.

My nickel.

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Anthony · 12-03-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

You're walking on thin ice here, my friend. You have no idea how many things that happen on this forum that bother me every time I see them. Like I said from the start, if I get pushed too far on this--I know myself all too well--we'll be obeying the letter of the law on that stuff, too.

that's such a hollow threat, and you know it. you increase the restrictions here and you'll have an empty message board. you'll be the sheriff of a ghost town.

you should feel free to run this place any way you want. whether or not people will put up with your bullshit is a different story.

word to mutha.

Schmidty · 12-03-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

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Have you been reading the JeeberD method?

Ben E Lou · 12-03-2005, 10:31 PM

Oh. I get it. I post the license agreement from an older game and that is bad. Someone else posts the license agreement from an older game and you read it as gospel truth for the current game. Interesting.

Anthony · 12-03-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I work for a software company and am about as "by the book" on copyright issues as any around here, but this seems like a gross over-reaction to me. Even if you want to argue that software EULAs are legally enforcable (shaky ground) or that there's some sort of bigger moral issue at play (even shakier), was it really necessary to ban the guy who posted the original thread?

Lock the thread if you want, lecture the masses if you feel the need, but to ban a guy for doing something that 99% of software users wouldn't realize was even a problem? Wouldn't a warning have been enough?

that's my big problem - SkyDog needs to list bannable offenses and sticky the fucking thing. you just can't go around banning people and not have them even know about it. give people a chance to edit/delete their own thread. just cuz he's not leet or a FOFC veteran and hasn't been around here long enough to have earned some leeway doesn't mean you behead every noob who does something a little wrong.

DaddyTorgo · 12-03-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Have you been reading the JeeberD method?

yes

MizzouRah · 12-03-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

that's my big problem - SkyDog needs to list bannable offenses and sticky the fucking thing. you just can't go around banning people and not have them even know about it. give people a chance to edit/delete their own thread. just cuz he's not leet or a FOFC veteran and hasn't been around here long enough to have earned some leeway doesn't mean you behead every noob who does something a little wrong.

He's been registered since October 2003. He doesn't post much, but he's been around long enough to know a post like that would get locked by Skydog. The banning may have been a little strong, but I immediately knew what was going to happen when I read the thread title, minus the ban.

I wonder what would have happened if that same post was posting in the pc/game trading thread?

I've tried to sell a few of my licensed games in the past though and never thought twice about it, so I would have given a warning vs a ban. Just my opinion though, I'm not the moderator nor would I want to be.

Anthony · 12-03-2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

He's been registered since October 2003. He doesn't post much, but he's been around long enough to know a post like that would get locked by Skydog. The banning may have been a little strong, but I immediately knew what was going to happen when I read the thread title, minus the ban.

I wonder what would have happened if that same post was posting in the pc/game trading thread?

I've tried to sell a few of my licensed games in the past though and never thought twice about it, so I would have given a warning vs a ban. Just my opinion though, I'm not the moderator nor would I want to be.

i've been around longer than all but a few, and i didn't even know trading games on FOFC was a bannable offense.

SkyDog just likes to pick and choose what's bannable, and what isn't.

Tasan · 12-03-2005, 11:06 PM

Skydog's gonna ban everyone who posted in this thread, I swear.

Oh damn

*runs and hides*

kcchief19 · 12-03-2005, 11:38 PM

I respect the heck out of Ben, but I agree that this appears to be a random cracking of the whip. The general rule has always been that attempting to pirate a game is an instant bannable offense, but there have been plenty of past and current threads about game trading. This guy looks like he incurred the wrath because he was a "n00b." It's unfortunate that you have to have a few thousand posts to break unwritten rules on this board.

If you're going to have a rule, you have to be consistent. According to this standard, everybody who has done the same thing should be banned.

If Ben has another reason to ban this guy, fine. If his IP matches a known trouble maker and there is evidence that this is an account someone create two years ago just in case they wanted to cause trouble, so be it.

I think it's only fair to let people know what bannable offenses are. That said:

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The owners of Front Office Football Central reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread, or remove or limit any user's access, for any reason.

We agreed to this, so I guess we're SOL.

Joe · 12-03-2005, 11:49 PM

I seem to recall others being banned for this same thing. Am I wrong? Or maybe I'm thinking of people who just asked for it for free?

Maple Leafs · 12-03-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

that's my big problem - SkyDog needs to list bannable offenses and sticky the fucking thing. you just can't go around banning people and not have them even know about it. give people a chance to edit/delete their own thread. just cuz he's not leet or a FOFC veteran and hasn't been around here long enough to have earned some leeway doesn't mean you behead every noob who does something a little wrong.

Also, Hell Atlantic recently offered me a reach-around if I'd sell him a pirated copy of FOF. He needs to be banned. Now.

By reading the preceeding paragraph, you agree to be bound be all claims made and not dispute them and do whatever I say or else you have to stop reading RIGHT NOW and you didn't so your pwned.

Anthony · 12-04-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Also, Hell Atlantic recently offered me a reach-around if I'd sell him a pirated copy of FOF. He needs to be banned. Now.

By reading the preceeding paragraph, you agree to be bound be all claims made and not dispute them and do whatever I say or else you have to stop reading RIGHT NOW and you didn't so your pwned.

wait, who was supposed to give the reach-around to whom? i don't like getting reach-arounds, so i wanna make sure you're the reachee.

Dutch · 12-04-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Also, Hell Atlantic recently offered me a reach-around if I'd sell him a pirated copy of FOF. He needs to be banned. Now.

By reading the preceeding paragraph, you agree to be bound be all claims made and not dispute them and do whatever I say or else you have to stop reading RIGHT NOW and you didn't so your pwned.

That great stuff right there.

vex · 12-04-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i've been around longer than all but a few, and i didn't even know trading games on FOFC was a bannable offense.

Same for me.

dervack · 12-04-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Oh. I get it. I post the license agreement from an older game and that is bad. Someone else posts the license agreement from an older game and you read it as gospel truth for the current game. Interesting.

But that's not what he was trying to trade. He was trying to trade his version of TPF, which as long as he's giving both licenses, is ok.

Edit: If you want to lock a thread because you don't agree that people should do something they are entitled to, then that's your thing. But I would think most of the people here are going to disagree with you on it.

DanGarion · 12-04-2005, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

Same for me.

Me either. This is the first time I've heard it was a banable offense to trade a game.

MrBug708 · 12-04-2005, 01:31 AM

We had a whole thread on the forums that had games we could trade

vex · 12-04-2005, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

We had a whole thread on the forums that had games we could trade

Which Skydog even gave a sticky at the time:

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...9&page=1&pp=50

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Originally posted by Blackadar
Good suggestion. Can we get a sticky?

done.

Antmeister · 12-04-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

Which Skydog even gave a sticky at the time:

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...9&page=1&pp=50

What's fascinating is that people are trading a game that he is showing the EULA for at the beginning of this thread (Civilization III). At the time I guess it didn't bother him so much since it was stickied.

SackAttack · 12-04-2005, 01:39 AM

:mijb:

Schmidty · 12-04-2005, 01:41 AM

At the same time that we are quibbleing over this stuff, an asteroid just crashed into Uranus.

cthomer5000 · 12-04-2005, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

What's fascinating is that people are trading a game that he is showing the EULA for at the beginning of this thread (Civilization III). At the time I guess it didn't bother him so much since it was stickied.

All those people need to be banninated with a quickness.

DaddyTorgo · 12-04-2005, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

All those people need to be banninated with a quickness.

that or SD needs to self-banninate for stickying a thread talking about a clearly illegal action, thus encouraging it.

edit: i don't really give a shit, i just wanted to use the phrase self-banninate and suggest that the board mod ban himself, which i found funny

Antmeister · 12-04-2005, 01:43 AM

Too bad I was a random lurker at that time, there were some games I would have definitely traded for.

vex · 12-04-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

Too bad I was a random lurker at that time, there were some games I would have definitely traded for.

Too bad I just didn't pay attention. Agreed, some nice games for sure.

Antmeister · 12-04-2005, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

At the same time that we are quibbleing over this stuff, an asteroid just crashed into Uranus.

Is this supposed to be code for "There is a rock in my ass"?

Schmidty · 12-04-2005, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

Is this supposed to be code for "There is a rock in my ass"?

If your name is Howie, then yes. If not, I have no further comment.

Antmeister · 12-04-2005, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

If your name is Howie, then yes. If not, I have no further comment.

LOL
Abbreviations - Something I learned from JeeberD!

Chubby · 12-04-2005, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Geez. Did the jbmagic-I-don't-pay-attention-to-what-I-read virus infect all of you today????

THE ISSUE I HAVE IS NOT WITH THE LEGALITY. IT IS WITH AGREEING TO THE EULA, AND THEN VIOLATING IT!!! It shows a stunning lack of integrity. How difficult is that to comprehend? You are not going to persuade me differently. By continuing to argue over it, joke about it, or anything else, you will only be increasing the odds that I'll be convicted enough about it to act. Read the thread title, people. JUST TRUST ME when I say that it is best for your enjoyment of FOFC that I am able to continue to quietly ignore the things that disturb me.

Prove to me the person trading the game actually agreed to the EULA.

MIJB#19 · 12-04-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

:mijb:

Hey, don't drag me into this!

JeeberD · 12-04-2005, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

That said:

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The owners of Front Office Football Central reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread, or remove or limit any user's access, for any reason.

We agreed to this, so I guess we're SOL.

Ummm...since when is SD an owner of FOFC?

Raiders Army · 12-04-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Ummm...since when is SD an owner of FOFC?

Maybe that's why the old titles were removed? Wasn't it at 8000 posts you were made an owner?

I guess at that point you could pwn anyone on FOFC.

Buccaneer · 12-04-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Ummm...since when is SD an owner of FOFC?

You obviously weren't around or weren't paying attention. Ownership was passed from Blacky to SD.

JeeberD · 12-04-2005, 10:38 AM

Ownership? Or just the keys to the bus...

Edit: I guess whoever owns the board software owns the board, huh? For some reason I was thinking that GameSpy owned the board, but they just own the server we're on I guess.

DanGarion · 12-04-2005, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Ownership? Or just the keys to the bus...

Exactly I was going to ask the same thing.

Buccaneer · 12-04-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Ownership? Or just the keys to the bus...

Edit: I guess whoever owns the board software owns the board, huh? For some reason I was thinking that GameSpy owned the board, but they just own the server we're on I guess.

Unless something was changed, GameSpy is simply hosting us. We could move to any server, even our own. It's the content and the software that is registered or copyrighted or something, I think. Also I recall Ben registering some domains in his name.

Joe · 12-04-2005, 11:24 AM

Ben owns frontofficefootballcentral.com, I'm not so sure about the board. I was thinking along the same lines as Jeeber on that. Who knows.

Airhog · 12-04-2005, 11:28 AM

the registration for our copy of this forum software is in Skydog's name also...

Chubby · 12-04-2005, 01:27 PM

ownership is a tad murky but I don't think it really matters anyways.

quick synopsis:

a) skydog goes on power trip again by banning a noob (aka poster with low post count) for posting something despite stickying a thread promoting the issue (trading games)
b) makes this thread to try and justify such behavior, even going so far as to threaten everyone to not talk about it or we'd not like the consequences (despite starting the friggin thread)
c) disappears when no one agrees with him

standard operating procedure, the fact that people are amazed is simply well... amazing.

Ben E Lou · 12-04-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

c) disappears when no one agrees with him

You've been around long enough to know that I could not possibly care less if anyone agrees with me when I know I'm right. No pointing in arguing over it, though. The less I think about this, the better it is for all of you. {shrug}

vex · 12-04-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

You've been around long enough to know that I could not possibly care less if anyone agrees with me when I know I'm right. No pointing in arguing over it, though. The less I think about this, the better it is for all of you. {shrug}

You didn't mind arguing until facts came into play.

Chubby · 12-04-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

You've been around long enough to know that I could not possibly care less if anyone agrees with me when I know I'm right. No pointing in arguing over it, though. The less I think about this, the better it is for all of you. {shrug}

wow, i'm stunned. you're totally convinced your right despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I'm completely stunned!

I've been around long enough to know when you go on your standard power trips, dig your heels in and refuse to see any other point of view despite being 100% in the wrong. if you were so damn right, you never would have stickied the trade game thread and you'd ban everyone that ever traded a game in it. you'd ban anyone ever making a mod for any game, ever, since that violates your holy EULAs as well. Hell, you haven't even locked that thread. You're a hypocrite and a bully plain and simple. Pick on the little guy, he won't fight back right? No one will defend the guy with 10 posts, oops.

yes yes, we know. for we fear the wrath of skydog following the letter of the law on everything. we should be afraid, very afraid.

Chubby · 12-04-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

You didn't mind arguing until facts came into play.

Exactly.

Oh and by the way Skydog. Feel free to remove the stuff in the reference thread that violates the EULAs anytime.

Ben E Lou · 12-04-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

refuse to see any other point of view despite being 100% in the wrong

Tee-hee. That's rich irony.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-04-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

... your standard power trips

For at least just this once, trust me when I say: You do not know from power trips from watching SD.

I know 'em when I see 'em ... and he doesn't even make the Hot 100.

Trust me.

Chubby · 12-04-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Tee-hee. That's rich irony.

Why dodging the issues Ben?

If trading games is instantly bannable then why is there a trading games thread you stickied???

If anything that violates a EULA is a bannable offense then why is there stuff in the reference thread that violates EULAs? Why is there any discussion of any mods to any games allowed?

You are a hypocrite and a bully. You won't ban anyone that makes a mod (which clearly violates every EULA) that has a high post count. You won't ban anyone in that trading games thread that has tried to trade a game. And you sure as hell won't close that thread because that would be an admission of you being wrong in stickying it in the 1st place.

Get called on the facts, change the focus. That's your MO Ben.

Chubby · 12-04-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

For at least just this once, trust me when I say: You do not know from power trips from watching SD.

I know 'em when I see 'em ... and he doesn't even make the Hot 100.

Trust me.

I don't doubt you, like vex said, I'm simply going by online BS. He doesn't make the top 10000 IRL.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-04-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't doubt you, like vex said, I'm simply going by online BS. He doesn't make the top 10000 IRL.

He doesn't even make the top 1000 online.

You should see my to-do list for when I get the keys to the place.

vex · 12-04-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't doubt you, like vex said, I'm simply going by online BS. He doesn't make the top 10000 IRL.

Sorry, I actually deleted that. But like I said, maybe he doesn't go on powertrips compared to people IRL, but as far as internet message boards go, he's right up there.

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12-03-2005, 11:49 PM	#111
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I seem to recall others being banned for this same thing. Am I wrong? Or maybe I'm thinking of people who just asked for it for free?

12-04-2005, 01:31 AM	#118
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	We had a whole thread on the forums that had games we could trade

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12-04-2005, 01:43 AM	#125
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Too bad I was a random lurker at that time, there were some games I would have definitely traded for.

12-04-2005, 11:24 AM	#138
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Ben owns frontofficefootballcentral.com, I'm not so sure about the board. I was thinking along the same lines as Jeeber on that. Who knows.

12-04-2005, 01:27 PM	#140
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	ownership is a tad murky but I don't think it really matters anyways. quick synopsis: a) skydog goes on power trip again by banning a noob (aka poster with low post count) for posting something despite stickying a thread promoting the issue (trading games) b) makes this thread to try and justify such behavior, even going so far as to threaten everyone to not talk about it or we'd not like the consequences (despite starting the friggin thread) c) disappears when no one agrees with him standard operating procedure, the fact that people are amazed is simply well... amazing.

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