Official 2007-2008 College Basketball Thread - Page 3

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-15-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Is the Bradley-Iowa State game that embarrassing? Bradley have been in the tourney the last three years and had a pretty good recruiting class last year. If the Cyclones are not supposed to be any than the bottom of the conference, it may have been embarrassing if ISU won.

I agree that the better team likely won, but as a big conference, you never want one of your teams to lose to a team that's perceived to be a mid-major conference.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-15-2007, 09:20 AM

FYI......for those that are interested in daily RPI updates, here's a free website with an RPI ranking that updates every 5 minutes. Obviously, the rankings are a bit out of whack right now due to the lack of games played (Bucknell is #1), but it will even out as the season moves along........

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

Scarecrow · 11-15-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

...Obviously, the rankings are a bit out of whack right now due to the lack of games played (Bucknell is #1), but it will even out as the season moves along........

And you call yourself a Mizzou fan; can't think of a KU joke somewhere in that sentance?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-15-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

And you call yourself a Mizzou fan; can't think of a KU joke somewhere in that sentance?

Oh, it crossed my mind, but I decided to pass on it. I'm hoping for some pretty nice bragging rights in about a week and a half that involve Mizzou rather than another team making Kansas look bad.

MrBug708 · 11-15-2007, 11:57 AM

Darren Collison, UCLA's speedy PG All American, will be out another ten days missing the tournament action this weekend and likely their game vs Yale next week

BishopMVP · 11-15-2007, 10:06 PM

Memphis looks to be the same as past couple years - ridiculous athletes who struggle finishing against a good defensive team if the 3's aren't falling.

If they do pull this out (Up 45-40 on OU 2nd half) it'll set up a Calipari vs. Calhoun matchup. There is some bad blood there to put it lightly.

Also, for recruiting, I saw the Rucker game. Some bad news for UCLA fans - Jrue Holiday looked good, but Brandon Jennings, who's going to Arizona, looks to be the best offensive point guard since Jason Kidd. That kid is unbelievable.

bhlloy · 11-15-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Also, for recruiting, I saw the Rucker game. Some bad news for UCLA fans - Jrue Holiday looked good, but Brandon Jennings, who's going to Arizona, looks to be the best offensive point guard since Jason Kidd. That kid is unbelievable.

Worse news for USC fans seeing as Jennings was actually committed to us for a while. If Demar DeRozen doesn't sign his LOI this week (was expected to fax it in yesterday I think), a lot of people are going to be suicidal.

At least we got lil' Romeo

JonInMiddleGA · 11-15-2007, 11:00 PM

Nice road win tonight for the #1 Lady Vols, 70-67 over top 10 Oklahoma in one of those early season tournaments down in St. Petersburg.

Darned good ball game too, tied in the final minute, in the first ever matchup of reigning women's player of the year winners (Courtney Paris won the AP award while Candace Parker won the Wade Trophy).

Butter · 11-16-2007, 06:48 AM

Fierce game for 2 teams bubbling under the top-25 radar last night, as Clemson beats Mississippi State 84-82. Clemson's typically poor free throw shooting was put to bed last night by a freshman named Demontez Stitt, who overcomes an 0-9 shooting night by nailing 6 straight free throws down the stretch, helping Clemson win despite shooting just 34% for the game. Clemson's typically laughable pre-conference scheduling gets a boost with this win, should help them inch closer to being ranked in the next top-25 that comes out.

wade moore · 11-16-2007, 07:12 AM

Well, W&M has played two BCS teams very tight.. In both games we were within 5 around 30 minutes into the game, but just lost it down the stretch. Georgetown just started feeding it down low letting their big man dominate and NC State did the same with their shooter.

wade moore · 11-16-2007, 07:12 AM

And sweet, VCU is #1 now in that RPI!

CAA! CAA! CAA!

Wolfpack · 11-16-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Well, W&M has played two BCS teams very tight.. In both games we were within 5 around 30 minutes into the game, but just lost it down the stretch. Georgetown just started feeding it down low letting their big man dominate and NC State did the same with their shooter.

That shooter would be JJ Hickson, who went 12-12 from the floor to set a school record for shots without a miss in a game (which is amazing to think about considering all the players State has had over the years). Expectations were pretty high on him before the season started but I think he's increased them even more after last night.

However, even with the monster frontcourt State has (and I can't even remember the last time I've had that thought about a State team), it'll come down to getting servicable play from the point guards, none of whom have any experience at this level of competition.

wade moore · 11-16-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

That shooter would be JJ Hickson, who went 12-12 from the floor to set a school record for shots without a miss in a game (which is amazing to think about considering all the players State has had over the years). Expectations were pretty high on him before the season started but I think he's increased them even more after last night.

However, even with the monster frontcourt State has (and I can't even remember the last time I've had that thought about a State team), it'll come down to getting servicable play from the point guards, none of whom have any experience at this level of competition.

I was hoping you'd post - any chance you were at the game or saw it? Any unbiased opinion on how W&M looked for a team hoping to pull themselves from the bottom of a very good mid-major conference to the upper-middle of a very good mid-major conference?

Wolfpack · 11-16-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I was hoping you'd post - any chance you were at the game or saw it? Any unbiased opinion on how W&M looked for a team hoping to pull themselves from the bottom of a very good mid-major conference to the upper-middle of a very good mid-major conference?

Nope, can't say as I did. It's become the story of my life in some respects now having moved back to Raleigh. I really, really, really want to go to some State or Hurricanes games, but just about all of them start in that witching hour when we're starting to get the kids to bed after dinner.

However, I'm sure W&M have picked up some good experience in these two games against heavyweights with huge frontcourts. I don't think the CAA can offer up such size on a regular basis so your inside players should definitely be better for it. Whether that translates into any improvement at all in wins and losses is something else.

GoldenEagle · 11-16-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Memphis looks to be the same as past couple years - ridiculous athletes who struggle finishing against a good defensive team if the 3's aren't falling.

That is going to be the downfall of Memphis. Teams will pack it in against them and force them to hit the outside shot. But, the 2k classic is using a different type of ball. It is called "The Rock". Supposedly, it is lighter and makes it more difficult to shoot. Mack and Kemp have been banging down 3's in practice with the regular ball. But we are going to need someone who can hit the three on a regular basis are we struggle against excellent defensive teams.

Rose looked a little out of control last night. He would just drive and play a little selfish at times. Good player though.

CU Tiger · 11-16-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Fierce game for 2 teams bubbling under the top-25 radar last night, as Clemson beats Mississippi State 84-82. Clemson's typically poor free throw shooting was put to bed last night by a freshman named Demontez Stitt, who overcomes an 0-9 shooting night by nailing 6 straight free throws down the stretch, helping Clemson win despite shooting just 34% for the game. Clemson's typically laughable pre-conference scheduling gets a boost with this win, should help them inch closer to being ranked in the next top-25 that comes out.

Stitz will be good, but what is this Basketball of which you speak?

We don't play basketball in Clemson..

wade moore · 11-16-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Nope, can't say as I did. It's become the story of my life in some respects now having moved back to Raleigh. I really, really, really want to go to some State or Hurricanes games, but just about all of them start in that witching hour when we're starting to get the kids to bed after dinner.

However, I'm sure W&M have picked up some good experience in these two games against heavyweights with huge frontcourts. I don't think the CAA can offer up such size on a regular basis so your inside players should definitely be better for it. Whether that translates into any improvement at all in wins and losses is something else.

Yeah, the CAA is very much a Guard driven league. I think we can still claim the tallest player in Division I in our league, but in his first 3 years he was a complete stiff (supposedly he's a bit better this year).

Anyway - definitely good experience. The fact that we were competitive is even better. VCU beat Houston yesterday and has another shot at a BCS team tonight (I forget who at the moment), so the league is still very good. To be able to be in say the top 5 of the league would be a pretty big accomplishment for a school that has rarely had a .500 record in the last 20 years.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-17-2007, 09:01 AM

Arkansas got whipped by an average Providence team last night. Likely their stay in the top 25 will end.

LloydLungs · 11-18-2007, 09:36 PM

Wow. Wow wow. My UNO Privateers go to Raleigh and stun #21 NC State 65-63. This is with Bo McCalebb playing a subpar game and senior three-point specialist James Parlow being completely invisible. They came from 11 down in the second half and 7 down with two minutes to go. I think we finally got a coach, Pumpy!

JonInMiddleGA · 11-18-2007, 10:22 PM

Georgia Tech did it again, blowing a 10 point second half lead to lose to Winthrop 79-73. Coming into the game, the Eagles were 1-29 vs ACC teams.

This was supposed to be the easy part of non-conference play -- still to come, starting tonight vs Notre Dame, a Nov. 27 game at Indiana, a Dec. 1 contest at Vanderbilt, a Dec. 18 game against Kansas, a Jan. 9 game at Georgia and a Feb. 9 game at Connecticut.

This ain't exactly encouraging.

dawgfan · 11-19-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

...looks to be the best offensive point guard since Jason Kidd.

Offensive point guard? IIRC, Kidd hasn't ever been much of a shooter, even at Cal.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-19-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Georgia Tech did it again, blowing a 10 point second half lead to lose to Winthrop 79-73. Coming into the game, the Eagles were 1-29 vs ACC teams.

This was supposed to be the easy part of non-conference play -- still to come, starting tonight vs Notre Dame...........

Baylor beat Notre Dame by 4 points over the weekend. I'll be interested to see how GT fares against them.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-19-2007, 07:47 AM

I'm heading down for the big double-header tonight in KC. Maryland vs. UCLA in the early game followed by Michigan State vs. Missouri. Winners and losers face each other tomorrow night.

BishopMVP · 11-19-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Offensive point guard? IIRC, Kidd hasn't ever been much of a shooter, even at Cal.

Yeah, but you don't need a shooter at PG - you need someone who can penetrate and distribute the ball. Maybe Nash qualifies as a great shooter, but the other top PG's like Kidd, Chris Paul and Deron Williams aren't great shooters either. I threw in the offensive label to distinguish Jennings from a Gary Payton who is alos good defensively. (Although Jennings might be good at defense, the game I saw was basically a street game, and there wasn't much of it going on.)

Pumpy Tudors · 11-19-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LloydLungs

Wow. Wow wow. My UNO Privateers go to Raleigh and stun #21 NC State 65-63. This is with Bo McCalebb playing a subpar game and senior three-point specialist James Parlow being completely invisible. They came from 11 down in the second half and 7 down with two minutes to go. I think we finally got a coach, Pumpy!

This is a huge win for the Privateers, obviously. Those kids down in New Orleans have a lot of heart, and there's actually some talent there, too. You know, I liked Monte Towe, and he seems like a good guy. I can't blame him for wanting to go back to NC State, given his history there and Hurricane Katrina on top of that. Still, I'm positive that these two teams never would've played each other if he hadn't left UNO for NC State, so...

THANKS, MONTE!

LloydLungs · 11-19-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

You know, I liked Monte Towe, and he seems like a good guy. I can't blame him for wanting to go back to NC State, given his history there and Hurricane Katrina on top of that.

I don't blame him either (though I wish for nothing but horrible things for Buzz Williams). I think Monte is a good guy, albeit with occasionally terrible temper problems (I have some stories). That said, I think he was only an average coach at best. It's too early to say on this new 30-year-old coaching the team now, but boy UNO looks different so far. I know that Monte took his best UNO team to Raleigh in 2003-04 and got beat by 34 in a game that might have been LESS of a mismatch than this one.

MrBug708 · 11-19-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Memphis looks to be the same as past couple years - ridiculous athletes who struggle finishing against a good defensive team if the 3's aren't falling.

If they do pull this out (Up 45-40 on OU 2nd half) it'll set up a Calipari vs. Calhoun matchup. There is some bad blood there to put it lightly.

Also, for recruiting, I saw the Rucker game. Some bad news for UCLA fans - Jrue Holiday looked good, but Brandon Jennings, who's going to Arizona, looks to be the best offensive point guard since Jason Kidd. That kid is unbelievable.

I'll take a Ben Howland disciplined team over Arizona next year. And if he can be as good as Baron Davis was in college, I'll be impressed.

dawgfan · 11-19-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Yeah, but you don't need a shooter at PG - you need someone who can penetrate and distribute the ball. Maybe Nash qualifies as a great shooter, but the other top PG's like Kidd, Chris Paul and Deron Williams aren't great shooters either. I threw in the offensive label to distinguish Jennings from a Gary Payton who is alos good defensively. (Although Jennings might be good at defense, the game I saw was basically a street game, and there wasn't much of it going on.)

OK. I'm just used to "offensive point guard" used as a synonym for "scoring point guard", and that's obviously not Kidd's strong point (not that he can't score, just that it's not his strength).

IIRC, Kidd was also a pretty good defensive player before injuries slowed him down.

Wolfpack · 11-19-2007, 11:45 AM

As the UNO fans cheer (and rightfully so), some State fans (at least the slightly moronic ones that inhabit the internet it seems) are castigating the team and each other already. Speculation's been picking up, particularly given some postgame comments by Gavin Grant, that there is already a bit of a rift on the team because of the arrival of McD's AA JJ Hickson, which has consumed a fair amount of playing time that other players had last year. Hickson can't be at fault, really. He's been superb in both games so far, so he deserves whatever time he's getting, but it looks like there have been some egos bruised in the process.

Still, game two and some parts of the fanbase are ready to call it a failure and have adjusted their expectations accordingly (i.e. "Duke will hang 150 on us..."). I've never seen such schizophrenia in a fanbase like ours. Even so, I was afraid there was going to be a problem with the hype and living up to it for this team. Yes, they had a tremendous run to finish the year last year, but they were 5-11 in conference last year and not all of it had to do with the absence of Engin Atsur for some of the season. Trendy picks like us almost always fail to pan out in most respects because the surprise factor that lead to the pick in the first place is gone. We're now the hunted and everyone's going to take their best shot at us. I don't think we'll end up 17-12 and 5-11 or anything like that, but clearly I don't think we're quite in the heavyweight division with Duke and Carolina yet, which is something of an implication that comes with being picked third in the conference. We can finish third still, but I think we are closer to the middle than to the two at the top.

Mr. Wednesday · 11-19-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Baylor beat Notre Dame by 4 points over the weekend. I'll be interested to see how GT fares against them.

ND didn't seem to have anyone who could hit an outside shot in the second half, some of which was Baylor denying open looks but at least as much was players being ice cold. The Irish won't win too many games where as many people have a bad night at once as happened last night.

Baylor may surprise this year, they've got some nice players.

Chief Rum · 11-19-2007, 05:20 PM

I haven't seen either Jennings or Holiday play yet, so who knows? But I'll say this--there is little doubt both of them will be terrific, game-changing players the way scouts and experts go gaga over them. I am not too worried about whether Holiday is better than Jennings. Only thing I care about is does Holiday make UCLA better. And everyone seems to agree he will have a huge impact.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-19-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Baylor beat Notre Dame by 4 points over the weekend. I'll be interested to see how GT fares against them.

Irish by 2 at the half.

MrBug708 · 11-19-2007, 06:44 PM

UCLA - Maryland has been a poor shooting, turnover fest thus far. Can't wait til Collison can come back

JonInMiddleGA · 11-19-2007, 07:12 PM

Georgia Tech survived a buzzer beater that rimmed around & out, rallies to beat Notre Dame 70-69, in spite of more than 20 turnovers and playing without three injured regulars.

Pressed into service, PG Matt Causey hits three treys, including the game winner with :02 left. He's a former walk-on who redshirted last year after playing two seasons at little North Georgia College & State University, where he landed after playing one season at Georgetown (03-04).

sterlingice · 11-19-2007, 07:49 PM

I'm just glad KU is sitting around under the radar this year. Considering the Big XII isn't the greatest this year (maybe only 4 teams in the tourney), they'll probably fatten up and get some run. But I'm just happy everyone is focusing in on the Memphis's, UCLA's, and UNC's of the world

SI

MrBug708 · 11-19-2007, 08:19 PM

Under the radar?

sterlingice · 11-19-2007, 08:24 PM

I know, #4 in the country isn't "under the radar" but whenever someone is talking about the "couple of best teams in the country" we're never in that discussion and I like that.

SI

MrBug708 · 11-19-2007, 08:30 PM

Hmmm, not sure where you got that info that you aren't talked about...

Neuqua · 11-19-2007, 08:36 PM

Kansas still has Bill $elf as coach so I am not too worried about them come tournament time.

Butter · 11-20-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I know, #4 in the country isn't "under the radar" but whenever someone is talking about the "couple of best teams in the country" we're never in that discussion and I like that.

SI

Yeah, boy, you never hear about Kansas basketball.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-20-2007, 07:29 AM

Damn. Mizzou should have beat Michigan State last night. MSU shot 53% from the field and had 31 FT attempts, yet they still had to survive a last-second shot to win the game. Tough loss.

I watched the UCLA-Maryland game as well. Neither were very impressive (though I know that UCLA is missing an All-American PG right now). Mizzou should beat Maryland tonight. Wouldn't be surprised to see MSU beat UCLA either.

MrBug708 · 11-20-2007, 07:54 AM

It'll be interesting to see how UCLA fares tonight. They have a rotation of 8 scholarship players right now with a walkon playing a few minutes at PG to spell Westbrook. One of the other injured players is UCLA's first guy off the bench. I think Love will struggle tonight because he hasnt seemed to pace himself very well and gets winded in the second half. If UCLA can slow Neitzel, they should win going away, but this might be a game where lack of guard depth might spell the end of them

Chief Rum · 11-20-2007, 02:38 PM

I'm more worried about that Raymar Morgan than I am Nietzel.

MrBug708 · 11-20-2007, 02:56 PM

Well, Morgan is almost as bad as Aboya in picking up fouls so if Luc can get him into foul trouble, it'll bode well for UCLA

Chief Rum · 11-20-2007, 03:04 PM

If Luc were agressive, I would say he could get him in foul trouble, but he's not, so I'm not anticipating that. Maybe Morgan will pick up some helping out on Love or bumping underneath with Mata.

MrBug708 · 11-20-2007, 05:40 PM

Drew Neitzel has the flu and might not play. I'm assuming they'll just have a bucket near the bench for him

MrBug708 · 11-20-2007, 10:29 PM

Chief Rum · 11-20-2007, 11:37 PM

And that, folks, is a team missing three of its top eight players, including its Preseason All-Amercian PG.

Groundhog · 11-20-2007, 11:48 PM

St. Mary's, led by freshman Aboriginal Australian PG Pat Mills, upset Oregon 99-87. Mills, who has been playing great for our Aussie team despite being like 19 years old, had 37 points - the highest ever for a freshman in school history - in just his 4th division 1 game. This kid is going to be special.

Chief Rum · 11-20-2007, 11:55 PM

Yeah, I saw that. St. Mary's is playing San Diego State at the Wooden Classic (will that be shown national, or just UCLA-Davidson?). I have been thinking about getting tickets.

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11-16-2007, 06:48 AM	#109
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JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Georgia Tech did it again, blowing a 10 point second half lead to lose to Winthrop 79-73. Coming into the game, the Eagles were 1-29 vs ACC teams. This was supposed to be the easy part of non-conference play -- still to come, starting tonight vs Notre Dame, a Nov. 27 game at Indiana, a Dec. 1 contest at Vanderbilt, a Dec. 18 game against Kansas, a Jan. 9 game at Georgia and a Feb. 9 game at Connecticut. This ain't exactly encouraging. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-19-2007, 05:20 PM	#131
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I haven't seen either Jennings or Holiday play yet, so who knows? But I'll say this--there is little doubt both of them will be terrific, game-changing players the way scouts and experts go gaga over them. I am not too worried about whether Holiday is better than Jennings. Only thing I care about is does Holiday make UCLA better. And everyone seems to agree he will have a huge impact. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

11-19-2007, 07:12 PM	#134
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Georgia Tech survived a buzzer beater that rimmed around & out, rallies to beat Notre Dame 70-69, in spite of more than 20 turnovers and playing without three injured regulars. Pressed into service, PG Matt Causey hits three treys, including the game winner with :02 left. He's a former walk-on who redshirted last year after playing two seasons at little North Georgia College & State University, where he landed after playing one season at Georgetown (03-04). __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-15-2007, 09:20 AM	#102
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11-15-2007, 11:57 AM	#105
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Darren Collison, UCLA's speedy PG All American, will be out another ten days missing the tournament action this weekend and likely their game vs Yale next week

11-15-2007, 10:06 PM	#106
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Memphis looks to be the same as past couple years - ridiculous athletes who struggle finishing against a good defensive team if the 3's aren't falling. If they do pull this out (Up 45-40 on OU 2nd half) it'll set up a Calipari vs. Calhoun matchup. There is some bad blood there to put it lightly. Also, for recruiting, I saw the Rucker game. Some bad news for UCLA fans - Jrue Holiday looked good, but Brandon Jennings, who's going to Arizona, looks to be the best offensive point guard since Jason Kidd. That kid is unbelievable.

11-17-2007, 09:01 AM	#118
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Arkansas got whipped by an average Providence team last night. Likely their stay in the top 25 will end.

11-18-2007, 09:36 PM	#119
LloydLungs College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ponchatoula, LA	Wow. Wow wow. My UNO Privateers go to Raleigh and stun #21 NC State 65-63. This is with Bo McCalebb playing a subpar game and senior three-point specialist James Parlow being completely invisible. They came from 11 down in the second half and 7 down with two minutes to go. I think we finally got a coach, Pumpy!

11-19-2007, 07:47 AM	#123
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	I'm heading down for the big double-header tonight in KC. Maryland vs. UCLA in the early game followed by Michigan State vs. Missouri. Winners and losers face each other tomorrow night.

11-19-2007, 11:45 AM	#129
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	As the UNO fans cheer (and rightfully so), some State fans (at least the slightly moronic ones that inhabit the internet it seems) are castigating the team and each other already. Speculation's been picking up, particularly given some postgame comments by Gavin Grant, that there is already a bit of a rift on the team because of the arrival of McD's AA JJ Hickson, which has consumed a fair amount of playing time that other players had last year. Hickson can't be at fault, really. He's been superb in both games so far, so he deserves whatever time he's getting, but it looks like there have been some egos bruised in the process. Still, game two and some parts of the fanbase are ready to call it a failure and have adjusted their expectations accordingly (i.e. "Duke will hang 150 on us..."). I've never seen such schizophrenia in a fanbase like ours. Even so, I was afraid there was going to be a problem with the hype and living up to it for this team. Yes, they had a tremendous run to finish the year last year, but they were 5-11 in conference last year and not all of it had to do with the absence of Engin Atsur for some of the season. Trendy picks like us almost always fail to pan out in most respects because the surprise factor that lead to the pick in the first place is gone. We're now the hunted and everyone's going to take their best shot at us. I don't think we'll end up 17-12 and 5-11 or anything like that, but clearly I don't think we're quite in the heavyweight division with Duke and Carolina yet, which is something of an implication that comes with being picked third in the conference. We can finish third still, but I think we are closer to the middle than to the two at the top.

11-19-2007, 06:44 PM	#133
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	UCLA - Maryland has been a poor shooting, turnover fest thus far. Can't wait til Collison can come back

11-19-2007, 07:49 PM	#135
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'm just glad KU is sitting around under the radar this year. Considering the Big XII isn't the greatest this year (maybe only 4 teams in the tourney), they'll probably fatten up and get some run. But I'm just happy everyone is focusing in on the Memphis's, UCLA's, and UNC's of the world SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

11-19-2007, 08:19 PM	#136
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Under the radar?

11-19-2007, 08:24 PM	#137
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I know, #4 in the country isn't "under the radar" but whenever someone is talking about the "couple of best teams in the country" we're never in that discussion and I like that. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 11-19-2007 at 08:25 PM.

11-19-2007, 08:30 PM	#138
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Hmmm, not sure where you got that info that you aren't talked about...

11-19-2007, 08:36 PM	#139
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Kansas still has Bill $elf as coach so I am not too worried about them come tournament time. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

11-20-2007, 07:29 AM	#141
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Damn. Mizzou should have beat Michigan State last night. MSU shot 53% from the field and had 31 FT attempts, yet they still had to survive a last-second shot to win the game. Tough loss. I watched the UCLA-Maryland game as well. Neither were very impressive (though I know that UCLA is missing an All-American PG right now). Mizzou should beat Maryland tonight. Wouldn't be surprised to see MSU beat UCLA either.

11-20-2007, 07:54 AM	#142
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	It'll be interesting to see how UCLA fares tonight. They have a rotation of 8 scholarship players right now with a walkon playing a few minutes at PG to spell Westbrook. One of the other injured players is UCLA's first guy off the bench. I think Love will struggle tonight because he hasnt seemed to pace himself very well and gets winded in the second half. If UCLA can slow Neitzel, they should win going away, but this might be a game where lack of guard depth might spell the end of them

11-20-2007, 02:38 PM	#143
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I'm more worried about that Raymar Morgan than I am Nietzel. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

11-20-2007, 02:56 PM	#144
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Well, Morgan is almost as bad as Aboya in picking up fouls so if Luc can get him into foul trouble, it'll bode well for UCLA

11-20-2007, 03:04 PM	#145
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	If Luc were agressive, I would say he could get him in foul trouble, but he's not, so I'm not anticipating that. Maybe Morgan will pick up some helping out on Love or bumping underneath with Mata. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

11-20-2007, 05:40 PM	#146
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Drew Neitzel has the flu and might not play. I'm assuming they'll just have a bucket near the bench for him

11-20-2007, 10:29 PM	#147
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Suck

11-20-2007, 11:37 PM	#148
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	And that, folks, is a team missing three of its top eight players, including its Preseason All-Amercian PG. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

11-20-2007, 11:48 PM	#149
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	St. Mary's, led by freshman Aboriginal Australian PG Pat Mills, upset Oregon 99-87. Mills, who has been playing great for our Aussie team despite being like 19 years old, had 37 points - the highest ever for a freshman in school history - in just his 4th division 1 game. This kid is going to be special. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

11-20-2007, 11:55 PM	#150
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Yeah, I saw that. St. Mary's is playing San Diego State at the Wooden Classic (will that be shown national, or just UCLA-Davidson?). I have been thinking about getting tickets. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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