The FOFC Keeper League 2012

[sterlingice]

If we'd like to make this more confusing, this was brought up and a couple of us agreed to it but it was never before a full vote:

(new owners get amnesty for 1 year for their 3rd year players)
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - The FOFC Keeper League - 2009 Season

SI

[Lathum]

I have no issues with that. Would make things easier

[Lathum]

when did the keeper rules take effect?

If they were in 2010 Schaub would have another year 10-11-12.

[sterlingice]

So how about Ray Rice? I dropped him after 2009, keeping MJD instead. Callous drafted him in 2010 and had him for the 2010 and 2011 season. So this should be year 3 (2012) for Rice on Callous.

Matt Schaub has been on All on Black in 2009, 2010, and 2011. So wouldn't he be back in the pool just like, say, Peyton?

So, is this a 3 or 4 year keeper cycle? Do you get a player for 3 years? Or do you get to *keep* a player three times, which means you get him for 4 years (i.e. draft year, keep1, keep2, keep3)?

I'm thoroughly confused so someone else will have to weigh in on this

SI

[sterlingice]

I'm almost thinking this has to be a 4 year (draft then 3 keeper) thing but I was under the impression we were talking about a 3 year. But check out the prior keeper lists:

2009


2010


2011


SI

[JAG]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

So, is this a 3 or 4 year keeper cycle? Do you get a player for 3 years? Or do you get to *keep* a player three times, which means you get him for 4 years (i.e. draft year, keep1, keep2, keep3)?

I'm thoroughly confused so someone else will have to weigh in on this

SI

Previously it's been you can't keep a player more than 3 times, so the season the player has been drafted has been 'free'. So I drafted Adrian Peterson a few years ago then kept him twice (3 total seasons) and let him go before last season even though I could have technically kept him.

I would be ok changing that rule so that you can't have a player on your team more than three seasons instead of being able to keep him three times, but that would be a change from how we've done things so I think we should vote on it before just implementing it.

[Grover]

Ah so previously, you can keep a player for three years as a keeper, but you're also allowed to only have any player (keeper or not) for three season cumulatively?

[sterlingice]

Thanks for the clarity, JAG. I agree wholeheartedly that if we wanted to change it, we would need to vote on it. And, frankly, with all keeper changes I would vote it take effect after this season not before as people would have done things differently this past season.

And with that clarification, I'll have everything up in a few minutes

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Grover

Ah so previously, you can keep a player for three years as a keeper, but you're also allowed to only have any player (keeper or not) for three season cumulatively?

No, I think that's where the confusion was with me. I was thinking you could only have them 3 seasons whereas it's really 4.

SI

[Lathum]

ok, I must have been mistaken. So in this scenerio I drafted Romo last season, so I can actually have hi8m 3 more years?

[sterlingice]

Rules

• As soon as keepers are declared this season (in the next month), all player numbers are incremented. This number will show what each player will be as soon as keepers are declared:
• Season 4: If a player shows (4), they are going back into the draft pool. They cannot be traded. You kept them for the length of their "contract" and now they are becoming a free agent.
• Season 3: Anyone who is a season 3, becomes a season 4. If you keep that player all season, next offseason you cannot trade them and they will go into the free agent pool. You may trade that player before the trading deadline of the season and he becomes a season 1 for whatever team he's traded to.
• Season 2: The player was on the team last season and this is his first keeper year. He has up to 3 more full seasons on your team. Also, if the player was a rookie keeper, that counts as a keeper season.
• Season 1: Everyone on your team is in season 1 because they were on your team for 1 year. Players who are 1 becomes 2s after keepers are declared. So, you had them for last season (season 1), you have them for this coming season (season 2), and then you get them for two more seasons (seasons 3 and 4) before losing them. So, on the below list, everyone who isn't a 4, 3, or 2 can be assumed to be a 1.

Two questions:
Q: If a new team is inherited, will it's season 4 players revert back to season 3 status?
Q: After this season, should we remove the "free" season so that players can only be on the team for a maximum of 3 seasons (or 2.5 if traded in-season) as opposed to 4(3.5)?

All On Black- Available
(2) Arian Foster RB HOU
Mark Ingram RB NO
Kevin Smith RB DET
Beanie Wells RB ARI
Antonio Brown WR PIT
Plaxico Burress WR NYJ
(2) Andre Johnson WR HOU
Mario Manningham WR SF
Denarius Moore WR OAK
Carson Palmer QB OAK
(3) Matt Schaub QB HOU
Rob Gronkowski TE NE
David Akers K SF
Detroit Lions TM DET

Vicks Heros- Available
Matt Forte RB CHI
(4) Steven Jackson RB STL
Darren Sproles RB NO
DeAngelo Williams RB CAR
(2) Miles Austin WR DAL
Steve Breaston WR KC
Stevie Johnson WR BUF
Santana Moss WR WAS
Jerome Simpson WR MIN
Wes Welker WR NE
Mike Williams WR TB
(2) Tom Brady QB NE
Nick Novak K SD
Green Bay Packers TM

The Insomniacs- available
Delone Carter RB IND
BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB CIN
Shonn Greene RB NYJ
Pierre Thomas RB NO
Ryan Torain RB WAS
Anquan Boldin WR BAL
(4) DeSean Jackson WR PHI
Michael Jenkins WR MIN
Steve Smith WR CAR
Nate Washington WR TEN
(4) Eli Manning QB NYG
Fred Davis TE WAS
Matt Bryant K ATL
Cincinnati Bengals TM CIN

Southside Roughnecks- available
(3) Marion Barber RB CHI
Cedric Benson RB CIN
Ryan Grant RB GB
Mike Tolbert RB CAR
Doug Baldwin WR SEA
Austin Collie WR IND
Early Doucet WR ARI
Devery Henderson WR NO
(3) Jeremy Maclin WR PHI
Torrey Smith WR BAL
Cam Newton QB CAR
(2) Ben Roethlisberger QB PIT
Sebastian Janikowski K OAK
Philadelphia Eagles TM PHI

Owners looking for a team:
1. Danny
2. NTN Deacon
3. Grover
4. Julio Riddols

Gridiron Warriors-PackerFanatic
(4) Frank Gore RB SF
Fred Jackson RB BUF
James Starks RB GB
Daniel Thomas RB MIA
Vincent Brown WR SD
Eric Decker WR DEN
Malcom Floyd WR SD
Jabar Gaffney WR NE
Greg Jennings WR GB
(2) Aaron Rodgers QB GB
Alex Smith QB SF
Jermichael Finley TE GB
Matt Prater K DEN
Chicago Bears TM CHI

The FOFC All Stars- SamiFan24
Donald Brown RB IND
Jamaal Charles RB KC
(2) Darren McFadden RB OAK
DeMarco Murray RB DAL
Pierre Garcon WR WAS
Lance Moore WR NO
(3) Roddy White WR ATL
Joe Flacco QB BAL
(4) Philip Rivers QB SD
Owen Daniels TE HOU
Brandon Pettigrew TE DET
Stephen Gostkowski K NE
San Francisco 49ers TM SF
Baltimore Ravens TM BAL

Callous Doughboys-JAG
Michael Bush RB CHI
Ryan Mathews RB SD
(2) Ray Rice RB BAL
Ben Tate RB HOU
(2) Dez Bryant WR DAL
A. J. Green WR CIN
(2) Calvin Johnson WR DET
Laurent Robinson WR JAC
Matthew Stafford QB DET
Tim Tebow QB NYJ
Aaron Hernandez TE NE
John Kasay K NO
New England Patriots TM NE
Seattle Seahawks TM SEA

Sals Transgenders- Saldana
Ahmad Bradshaw RB NYG
Reggie Bush RB MIA
Michael Crabtree WR SF
Percy Harvin WR MIN
(2) Vincent Jackson WR TB
James Jones WR GB
(4) Reggie Wayne WR IND
Jake Locker QB TEN
(4) Peyton Manning QB DEN
(2) Colt McCoy QB CLE
Vernon Davis TE SF
Robbie Gould K CHI
New York Jets TM NYJ
Tennessee Titans TM TEN

Houston Hippopotami- Sterlingice
(2) Jahvid Best RB DET
Kendall Hunter RB SF
Felix Jones RB DAL
Marshawn Lynch RB SEA
(2) LeSean McCoy RB PHI
Marques Colston WR NO
(4) Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI
Brandon Marshall WR CHI
Demaryius Thomas WR DEN
Damian Williams WR TEN
(2) Drew Brees QB NO
Mark Sanchez QB NYJ
Mason Crosby K GB
Denver Broncos TM DEN

Shakas Big Shooters- MollyMurphy
Toby Gerhart RB MIN
Adrian Peterson RB MIN
(2) C. J. Spiller RB BUF
Jonathan Stewart RB CAR
(4) Michael Turner RB ATL
(2) Dwayne Bowe WR KC
Kenny Britt WR TEN
Nate Burleson WR DET
Riley Cooper WR PHI
Julio Jones WR ATL
Matt Hasselbeck QB TEN
(2) Michael Vick QB PHI
Alex Henery K PHI
Atlanta Falcons TM ATL

Touchdown MAfia- Spleen
(2) Roy Helu RB WAS
(2) Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC
(2) Willis McGahee RB DEN
Rashard Mendenhall RB PIT
Victor Cruz WR NYG
(2) Brandon Lloyd WR NE
Jordy Nelson WR GB
Ryan Fitzpatrick QB BUF
(4) Matt Ryan QB ATL
Antonio Gates TE SD
Jimmy Graham TE NO
Dan Bailey K DAL
Dallas Cowboys TM DAL
Houston Texans TM HOU

Lathums Brew Crew- Lathum
(2) LeGarrette Blount RB TB
Brandon Jacobs RB SF
(2) Chris Johnson RB TEN
Deion Branch WR NE
(3) Hakeem Nicks WR NYG
Mike Wallace WR PIT
(2) Jay Cutler QB CHI
Andy Dalton QB CIN
Tony Romo QB DAL
Tony Gonzalez TE ATL
Jason Hanson K DET
Neil Rackers K WAS
Oakland Raiders TM OAK
Pittsburgh Steelers TM PIT

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, I must have been mistaken. So in this scenerio I drafted Romo last season, so I can actually have hi8m 3 more years?

Sounds like the case as I understand it from what JAG said. On the other hand, I'd like to vote on shortening that to 2 keeper years after the first like we were talking about earlier. But, like any keeper change, it's not fair to do it until after the season.

SI

[Grover]

Heh, didn't Marion Barber III retire?

[JAG]

SI, looks very good and great explanations of the numbers. One thing has to be changed though. Keepers that were traded last season should start off this season as (2) instead of (1) because I believe we stated any keeper traded gets a year service towards them once we're in season (this is where we discussed things last season with the 'no more than three years on a team' rule, only exception to this point being drafted players). So for example Calvin Johnson on my team should be (2) because he played with me for a chunk of last season and then I can keep him two more seasons, not three.

[sterlingice]

Updated to include the trades from Post #44. So, for instance, I traded for McCoy and Brees last season so they are now 2's for me, not 1's.

I think we should get rid of the trading exception and just move it back to 3 years for all players so no free drafted year. Otherwise, you make a trade and you only get a player for 1.5 seasons. Or is that the goal? To limit how long you can keep traded keepers?

SI

[JAG]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Updated to include the trades from Post #44. So, for instance, I traded for McCoy and Brees last season so they are now 2's for me, not 1's.

I think we should get rid of the trading exception and just move it back to 3 years for all players so no free drafted year. Otherwise, you make a trade and you only get a player for 1.5 seasons. Or is that the goal? To limit how long you can keep traded keepers?

SI

I'm ok with getting rid of the free draft year. For the trading exception though, let me throw out a hypothetical. Right after keepers are declared, I trade Stafford for Brees. That means that I get Brees for all of the year and then I can keep him 3 more times? Doesn't that let me have his rights for four full years? I think I wouldn't be in favor of ditching the trade exception.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by JAG

I'm ok with getting rid of the free draft year. For the trading exception though, let me throw out a hypothetical. Right after keepers are declared, I trade Stafford for Brees. That means that I get Brees for all of the year and then I can keep him 3 more times? Doesn't that let me have his rights for four full years? I think I wouldn't be in favor of ditching the trade exception.

I agree with this. If you acquire a player halfway through a season, you shouldn't lose a year of eligibility for him.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JAG

I'm ok with getting rid of the free draft year. For the trading exception though, let me throw out a hypothetical. Right after keepers are declared, I trade Stafford for Brees. That means that I get Brees for all of the year and then I can keep him 3 more times? Doesn't that let me have his rights for four full years? I think I wouldn't be in favor of ditching the trade exception.

We could say your keeper season number is incremented right before the draft. So, even with a preseason trade, they're at 1 so that means 2 more seasons.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Grover

I agree with this. If you acquire a player halfway through a season, you shouldn't lose a year of eligibility for him.

The theory is that you get, at most, 3 seasons not 3.5, I think. You shouldn't get rewarded an extra 0.5 seasons just because you traded for a player, right? So, if you trade for a player halfway through a season, you get him the rest of that season and 2 more seasons.

SI

[JAG]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

The theory is that you get, at most, 3 seasons not 3.5, I think. You shouldn't get rewarded an extra 0.5 seasons just because you traded for a player, right? So, if you trade for a player halfway through a season, you get him the rest of that season and 2 more seasons.

SI

Right, I must have misunderstood what you were saying about traded players above then. We're on the same page.

[ntndeacon]

we will go with Vick's heros

[ntndeacon]

and we will change the name to Klein Bottles

[Grover]

Need clarification... if I take the Insomniacs, do I have Eli and DeSean for one more year? Or am I taking over an empty team?

[sterlingice]

Are we going with the 1 year amnesty waiver for new owners (4s become 3s)? I'm in favor but it never officially went to league vote.

SI

[Grover]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Are we going with the 1 year amnesty waiver for new owners (4s become 3s)? I'm in favor but it never officially went to league vote.

SI

Either way, that's probably my pick, I just want to be certain of what I have before I take them.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Are we going with the 1 year amnesty waiver for new owners (4s become 3s)? I'm in favor but it never officially went to league vote.

SI

I think that's a very good rule in general for new owners. We probably ought to have gotten consensus before we handed out teams, but basically, if anyone is against this, let's have them speak out now or else just let it be so.

[Grover]

All right, as it stands, regardless if I have Eli and Jackson for a year or not, I'll take over:

The Insomniacs

who shall henceforth be known as:

Blue Feltvet

[Julio Riddols]

Now I will try and decide who to take over.....

[Julio Riddols]

Hmm, I suppose I will go with the Roughnecks.. Tough decision, but I think thats who I am going to take. Now to think of a team name..

[ntndeacon]

a ballsy choice there Julio!

[Julio Riddols]

Team name: Cam Pain 2012

[Julio Riddols]

God what a mess this team is in. That top pick is gonna have to be a home run.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

a ballsy choice there Julio!

Yeah, I thought long and hard about it, but when it comes down to it, you just have to go with the team that has the most potential. to suck.

[sterlingice]

At least you should be set at QB with Roethlisberger at QB keeper and Newton at rookie keeper. Maclin's ok at WR and at, RB, well, I'm sure there's something good in the draft pool

SI

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, I guess that is probably my best bet for how to set this team up.. I may just keep Newton and that's it. I'd also be open to trading him.

[sterlingice]

Keep in mind that keepers get added in at the end of the draft, not at the start. So, anyone you keep probably will be better than what you can get in the ~10th+ round.

SI

[Danny]

My team is Roadkill Cafe

[Lathum]

I need Grovers email PMed to me

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Danny

My team is Roadkill Cafe

shocking!

[Danny]

Julio I am interested in a trade. I have Andre Johnson as a centerpiece and beanie wells to trade

[Lathum]

ok. Invites are out for everyone. You guys should be able to join and sign up for your teams.

[Lathum]

I would like to let everyone who hasn't chimed in about amnestying the 3rd year keeper on new teams before passing it but I think it is the way to go. MollyMurphy has no issues with it and I texted Saldana. I know Me, Jag, and SI are on board. Just need to hear from PF and Sami I believe.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by Danny

Julio I am interested in a trade. I have Andre Johnson as a centerpiece and beanie wells to trade

I like Andre, not so hot on Beanie though.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I would like to let everyone who hasn't chimed in about amnestying the 3rd year keeper on new teams before passing it but I think it is the way to go. MollyMurphy has no issues with it and I texted Saldana. I know Me, Jag, and SI are on board. Just need to hear from PF and Sami I believe.

Although it doesn't apply to me, I'm on board with this too.

[Grover]

I'm cool with one year of Eli Manning.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Grover

I'm cool with one year of Eli Manning.

Who wouldn't be?

[Julio Riddols]

If I could just have Eli Manning's 4th quarters, that would be solid.

[ntndeacon]

does the amnesty mean that we have the ability to trade those players that we are recieving amnesty on?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I like Andre, not so hot on Beanie though.

I would do Andre + wells or Ingram for newton. Ingram could be a rookie keeper for you.

[spleen1015]

I was away all day yesterday so sorry for my lateness in some of these discussions.

I've always thought keepers were for 3 years. The year they are drafted counts as year 1.

Also, I am against the amnesty for new owners.