05-18-2023, 08:44 AM | #1451 | |
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I don't particularly like it but I do support it. Unless one side is clearly winning, some sort of peace talks, compromise, negotiation etc. is needed. Can't be the West so China is next up.
Ukraine can definitely still surprise with their coming soon counter offensive but start laying the groundwork now (it'll take a while) and see what happens by summer. But honestly, can't quite see how any peace deal will be satisfactory to either party (unless one side is clearly losing bad). Li Hui: China's special envoy wraps up two-day Ukraine visit as Beijing attempts to play peacemaker | CNN Quote:
The Afghanistan war cost $2.3T over 20 years. So let's call it about $100B per year. Congress has so far approved $113B for Ukraine over approx. 1.5 years. Apples & Oranges but on pure "results" for the US, Ukraine has been a bargain so far. Last edited by Edward64 : 05-18-2023 at 08:46 AM. |
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05-18-2023, 09:26 AM | #1453 |
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If your hypothesis is true about Chinese weapons, there is also a morbid curiosity to see how their weapons stack up.
The horrible impact to Ukrainians (and arguably normal Russians) notwithstanding, this war has been interesting as it plays out. Not just militarily but also geopolitically. |
05-21-2023, 03:55 PM | #1454 | |
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Looks like allied F-16s to Ukraine. Joe hasn't actually said it but he seems to be laying the groundwork with not being opposed to it. So sometime later this year. The NATO stockpile of Migs must be running out. I am really not complaining at all about the $. Assuming logistics, training, & ready supply of missiles, I can see the F-16 greatly helping.
Javelins, Stingers, HIMARs, drones, Abrams, Bradleys, Patriots, and now F-16s. Not sure what's next on the wish list. But I am curious how our cruise missiles would fare in the theatre. Quote:
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05-22-2023, 03:30 PM | #1455 |
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Definitely concerned about pro-Ukrainian Russian "Freedom for Russia" partisans taking the initiative and invading/attacking a town inside Russia (Belgorod), and the possible unintended consequences.
... but can't help but root them on. I hope they live to fight another day. |
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05-22-2023, 03:39 PM | #1457 |
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Ah ... Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen, Jennifer Grey ... not great acting but one of those B-grade cult movies.
The remake did not do it justice. One of the streaming giants should do a remake with multiple seasons. EDIT: be nice if Ukraine launched their counter offensive now Last edited by Edward64 : 05-22-2023 at 03:41 PM. |
05-22-2023, 04:30 PM | #1458 |
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Weather will likely determine the timing of that.
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05-25-2023, 10:46 AM | #1459 | |
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Haven't seen a video like this before. A sea (?) drone attacking and allegedly hitting a Russian ship
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05-27-2023, 10:06 PM | #1460 |
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Rumors in the world of rumors, the President of Belarus traveled to Moscow after several weeks of speculation of an illness. After meeting with Putin, he was reportedly rushed to the hospital and critical condition.
Could be false, but there is speculation Russia takes over Belarus as a "win" and pulls out of Ukraine. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk |
05-28-2023, 08:05 AM | #1461 |
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TBH considering that Belarus is already politically in the Russian camp, a relatively small price to pay if there is a pull out from Ukraine.
I see reports on no. of drones, missiles shot down but nothing broken out for the Patriot system (understandably). I'm assuming they are rationing the Patriot missiles for the really big stuff. Interested in those numbers once there is a post mortem. |
06-05-2023, 11:32 PM | #1462 | |
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Apparently a dam has been blown up.
Pro-Ukrainian redditors are having a fit. I've not seen any details on MSM but no surprise considering the time of day/night. More to come by morning. Quote:
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06-06-2023, 07:22 AM | #1463 |
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Guess it was for real.
Reading the misc reporting below, seems like lots of impact to people, no massive casualties (yet), no danger to the nuclear plant, conflicting reports on who did what etc. Unsure how this impacts the counter offensive (if there was going to be one) in that area but obviously a huge distraction for the good guys. https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news...-23/index.html |
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06-12-2023, 11:37 PM | #1465 |
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I guess the counter offensive has officially started.
Lots of conflicting reports right now but does seem Ukraine has lost several Bradleys and Leopards. Not sure how meaningful that is if they truly won some nice ground ... and that is unknown right now (but hoping for the best). I'm sure things will become more clear as the offensive continues. Ukraine needs to have some nice wins otherwise pressure for some sort of negotiated settlement will increase. |
06-14-2023, 12:44 PM | #1466 | |
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Welp, add +1 to the nuclear club.
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06-23-2023, 03:44 PM | #1467 |
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I guess Wagner Group is fed up:
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06-23-2023, 03:54 PM | #1468 |
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He's been bitching for a couple months at least.
Nothing's changed in the Russian MoD, nor has he fallen out of a window (yet). I don't know why Putin allows this to continue, you'd think he would take one side or another by now. Meanwhile ... the counter offensive is slogging through, not as successful as many had hoped (e.g. like last Fall's successes). Hopefully continued pressure will result in a nice breakthrough and collapse of Russian lines. Last edited by Edward64 : 06-23-2023 at 03:56 PM. |
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They're fighting each other, so Putin doesn't mind as much. If they were working hand in glove, he'd be afraid they'd turn on him
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Never Mind: Shit just got real. Incitement to Armed Rebellion? He fucked.
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06-23-2023, 06:49 PM | #1471 | |
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06-23-2023, 07:06 PM | #1472 |
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06-23-2023, 07:33 PM | #1473 |
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Wagner has issued a statement telling the National Guard to pick the correct side or face consequences.
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wow pretty crazy if a coup helps stop the war in Ukraine
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Wagner has crossed into Russia with no resistance. They have already occupied Rostov. It is going to be fascinating where this ends.
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06-23-2023, 08:35 PM | #1476 |
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06-23-2023, 08:49 PM | #1477 |
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I'd caution folks that a lot of this is just from taking Wagner statements at face value, without video/photo proof. (regarding say, Rostov for example)
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06-23-2023, 08:55 PM | #1478 |
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Love the confusion going on right now. It's be great if Wagner is really moving the opposite direction.
But, if true, I just don't think he has the manpower or ammo to last for long. Happy to be surprised though. |
06-23-2023, 08:58 PM | #1479 |
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It looks to be getting hot:
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06-23-2023, 09:02 PM | #1480 |
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Russian television has reportedly been hacked and showing Prigozin's statement on repeat.
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06-23-2023, 09:24 PM | #1481 |
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Reportedly, Wagner is not alone. Some Russian military are suppporting him.
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06-23-2023, 09:32 PM | #1482 |
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Quite honestly, I’m not sure it’s the greatest for the planet if Russia falls into civil war.
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06-23-2023, 09:54 PM | #1483 |
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You mean when the Republicans demand we send the Russians aid?
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06-23-2023, 10:11 PM | #1488 |
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What gets me is Russia not that different than anywhere else. The woman just filming on the corner as the tanks aim at the building. "F- safety, I dot to get this on Telegram"
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Yeah not sure I'd wanna be out there on the streets with tanks and soldiers right now.
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There are videos of huge lines of Wagner troops moving into the Southern command building, and lines of citizens watching and filming.
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Great, lots of videos in Russian social media. Get the word out, add to the FUD.
Hope Ukraine can take advantage of this somehow. |
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Videos of an airbase outside Moscow on fire, and a National Guard unit refused mobilization near Moscow.
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First I have heard, but there were also Wagner attacks on Russian troops in Ukraine. Russian regular troops along with Wagner forces attacked supply depots in Bakhmut while the Ukrainians watched and added some shelling.
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We should offer Putin asylum.
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Youtube is shining on this. Several live streams showing videos and reports as they happen. One showed a local Rostov reporter interviewing soldiers in the street confirming the troops were Wagner's.
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I feel like I've seen this sort of thing play out in Civ about a thousand times. Usually against me.
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Just out of curiosity who do we root for here? Do we really want Wagner in charge of all those nukes?
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