Werewolf LXXVI - The Werewolf Draft! Game over, see last pages for details

[RendeR]

Blah, ignore that last post, of course it helps you decide your vote, I'm just positive its the wrong way to go and no matter what you glean from it its not woth losing another villager for the knowledge.

[Telle]

Alan.. can you please do what I asked you earlier? Think through theories that you might gain when I come up good. You keep assuming that I'm bad. But what happens when I turn up good? What will that mean to you?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Telle

Alan.. can you please do what I asked you earlier? Think through theories that you might gain when I come up good. You keep assuming that I'm bad. But what happens when I turn up good? What will that mean to you?

It actually will mean just as much to me if you end up good as bad, just in a different direction if that makes sense. I'm on the fence on several people, but for whatever reason the people I do suspect the most right now all want to see you live. There could be several reasons for this of course though, some good, some bad.

[Lathum]

Alan, if Telle gets lynched and comes up what I think she is you are getting my vote tomorrow.

there is no way you aren't picking up what is being laid down right now.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You've told two lies about me in the last half hour and accuse Alan of muddying things up? Irony.

I have not lied about you as far as I know, I admit I haven't gone back through 30 pages of shyte and am running on memory, but You ARE a driving force on Telle, yet your theory doesn't hold any water.

You voted the EXACT same way she did, yet YOUR reasons for it are more valid than hers?

Craptastic.

Why should we believe YOUR reasoning over hers? Just because your's sound better?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Alan, if Telle gets lynched and comes up what I think she is you are getting my vote tomorrow.

there is no way you aren't picking up what is being laid down right now.

I see where you're going with this, and I've thought it, too. But I have trouble believing it based on the last game.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Alan T

It actually will mean just as much to me if you end up good as bad, just in a different direction if that makes sense. I'm on the fence on several people, but for whatever reason the people I do suspect the most right now all want to see you live. There could be several reasons for this of course though, some good, some bad.

Ok so tell us.. who do you think it makes more likely good or more likely bad when I come up good?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Why should we believe YOUR reasoning over hers? Just because your's sound better?

uh, yeah

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Alan, if Telle gets lynched and comes up what I think she is you are getting my vote tomorrow.

there is no way you aren't picking up what is being laid down right now.

Do you think your threats are going to scare me? I don't think that is your intention though, I think you probably have already figured out the same thing I am thinking anyways though. If I have to guess, your threats are to try to scare people away from voting her.

If you are so strong in believing Telle, then why not vote for Sal to see if that could save her instead? You haven't scanned Sal yet, so surely he would be a better target for you than her?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

It actually will mean just as much to me if you end up good as bad, just in a different direction if that makes sense. I'm on the fence on several people, but for whatever reason the people I do suspect the most right now all want to see you live. There could be several reasons for this of course though, some good, some bad.

Ever consider the idea that you have the wrong suspects?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I have not lied about you as far as I know, I admit I haven't gone back through 30 pages of shyte and am running on memory, but You ARE a driving force on Telle, yet your theory doesn't hold any water.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess. I never said anything about a "subsequent night kill" and I really don't know what you're talking there. And you mentioned me voting for self-preservation on a day when I had no votes on me. Talk about muddying the waters.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Telle

Ok so tell us.. who do you think it makes more likely good or more likely bad when I come up good?

I'll entertain that scenerio once I actually believe you are good.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

uh, yeah

*smirx*

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ever consider the idea that you have the wrong suspects?

Sure, it's possible. I've been wrong before and I've been right before.. Guess we will figure it out this time which the case is.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

*smirx*

Well, if my reasoning sounds better, why are you believing hers?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll entertain that scenerio once I actually believe you are good.

Well I know I'm good and it's obvious that there are others on here who understand and believe me. So why don't you think it through and enlighten us all so that we can have the benefit of you analysis today until waiting until tomorrow after you've led the charge on killing another villager?

[Telle]

Oh and RendeR, I don't think it was Pass who had the theory on Lathum not being killed makes him the fake seer and me a wolf. I don't recall who it was though.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Do you think your threats are going to scare me? I don't think that is your intention though, I think you probably have already figured out the same thing I am thinking anyways though. If I have to guess, your threats are to try to scare people away from voting her.

If you are so strong in believing Telle, then why not vote for Sal to see if that could save her instead? You haven't scanned Sal yet, so surely he would be a better target for you than her?

YOu should be scared. Look what happened to DT and BK when they fucked with me.


And a vote for Pass is the same as a vote for Sal, plus it gives us a data point to work with.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll entertain that scenerio once I actually believe you are good.

Alan, you are wrong here. At least entertain that fact and TRY looking the other direction. Don't assume one way at the cost of seeing the whole picture.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Alan, if Telle gets lynched and comes up what I think she is you are getting my vote tomorrow.

there is no way you aren't picking up what is being laid down right now.

im just cunfsed by alan. i mean EVERYTHNG screems wolf about him...... btu we know hes the duke? right? RIGHT?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Telle

Well I know I'm good and it's obvious that there are others on here who understand and believe me. So why don't you think it through and enlighten us all so that we can have the benefit of you analysis today until waiting until tomorrow after you've led the charge on killing another villager?

Why does everyone keep saying I led the charge to kill any villager so far?

I've only really pushed for two people to be lynched this game thus far.. and as of present both are still alive.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Telle

Oh and RendeR, I don't think it was Pass who had the theory on Lathum not being killed makes him the fake seer and me a wolf. I don't recall who it was though.

Oh...ok, I apologize then, I was certain that was his theory. As I said I don;t have a week to slog through 30 pages of bullshit so I may be misinformed.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Why does everyone keep saying I led the charge to kill any villager so far?

I've only really pushed for two people to be lynched this game thus far.. and as of present both are still alive.

No I meant that two villagers have already been killed, and now you're leading the charge on killing a new villager. Sorry that wasn't more clear.

[Alan T]

I'm taking notes by the way of people who are actually trying to push the idea that Saldana started of trying to discredit me as the duke.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

YOu should be scared. Look what happened to DT and BK when they fucked with me.

What the heck?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm taking notes by the way of people who are actually trying to push the idea that Saldana started of trying to discredit me as the duke.

Oh I don't think you're a wolf in Duke's clothing.. I just think you're seriously misguided.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm taking notes by the way of people who are actually trying to push the idea that Saldana started of trying to discredit me as the duke.

Alan you're discreciting yourself at this point, as Clap said, your play is SCREAMING wolf right now. you're not looking helpful at all.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Well, if my reasoning sounds better, why are you believing hers?

Hi Render, I'm an unanswered question!

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hi Render, I'm an unanswered question!

[RendeR]

Alan, you're being stubborn because you feel you have a solid theory. Right now I know and Tele knows and it would appear that Lathum knows you're headed in the completely wrong direction, asll we're asking is that you reconsider your theories and see where THAT path leads you before we lose someone else.

Isn't that WORTH taking the time to flip flop what you 'think' and see where your theories go based on that?

Give it a shot.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Alan you're discreciting yourself at this point, as Clap said, your play is SCREAMING wolf right now. you're not looking helpful at all.

I've already explained myself several times only to be met by threats and accusations. Do you really expect me to even bother with you now? I've written you off as either a wolf or a villager who refuses to listen to anything I say so it really is pointless.

People called me an idiot for no lynching a vote that ended up saving the bodyguard, People gave me grief for trying to keep the wolves away from the bodyguard in hopes they would think if we still doubted him they might leave him alone for us to lynch him. People are now giving me grief for me wanting to protect people that I feel I have a read on for other roles now.

Remember last game, as a wolf I did a pretty decent job of reading roles from people.. maybe this game I am sucking to make up for it.. or maybe I'm correct.. who knows. No one has given me a chance to test my theories as of yet, and I am likely going to be night killed at some point before I get too much more of a chance.. So I feel now is going to have to be the time I figure things out..

If I'm wrong then my apologies to Telle.. but I seriously need to settle in my mind which side she is on today.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hi Render, I'm an unanswered question!

Because it sounds contrived Pass. "HERE I AM TO SAVE THE DAY!" comes across just a little too conveniently. Her reasoning sounds pretty much identical to mine and is therefore far more believable.


I thought I had responded to this already, sorry, too many posts to go through and I think I may kill my chldren soon if they don't start behaving better ...

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Alan, you're being stubborn because you feel you have a solid theory. Right now I know and Tele knows and it would appear that Lathum knows you're headed in the completely wrong direction, asll we're asking is that you reconsider your theories and see where THAT path leads you before we lose someone else.

Isn't that WORTH taking the time to flip flop what you 'think' and see where your theories go based on that?

Give it a shot.

I said the same thing to Lathum earlier. Saldana is a viable candidate just sitting there if you really feel you must save Telle. He didn't want to save Telle bad enough to switch there though.. I'm guessing you won't either.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Because it sounds contrived Pass. "HERE I AM TO SAVE THE DAY!" comes across just a little too conveniently. Her reasoning sounds pretty much identical to mine and is therefore far more believable.


I thought I had responded to this already, sorry, too many posts to go through and I think I may kill my chldren soon if they don't start behaving better ...

I'm usually a pretty outspoken player, but I don't think I've come on that hard on Telle. In fact, if she's going to reveal, I might believe it -- though the longer she waits, the less believable it is -- it'll make it seem like she's afraid someone else will reveal the same thing.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I said the same thing to Lathum earlier. Saldana is a viable candidate just sitting there if you really feel you must save Telle. He didn't want to save Telle bad enough to switch there though.. I'm guessing you won't either.

You know what? I'll go for it. RendeR and Lathum feel free to follow me.

So what does this do to your theories Alan?

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA

VOTE SALDANA

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Telle

You know what? I'll go for it. RendeR and Lathum feel free to follow me.

So what does this do to your theories Alan?

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA

VOTE SALDANA

I'm fine with Saldana being lynched today. I'm interested to see how this plays out.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm usually a pretty outspoken player, but I don't think I've come on that hard on Telle. In fact, if she's going to reveal, I might believe it -- though the longer she waits, the less believable it is -- it'll make it seem like she's afraid someone else will reveal the same thing.

I never said I had anything to reveal.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Telle

I never said I had anything to reveal.

I wasn't trying to say you did. It was just an 'if'. Are you saying you DON'T have anything to reveal?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm fine with Saldana being lynched today. I'm interested to see how this plays out.

Good. Hopefully it'll give you another day to think things through.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I wasn't trying to say you did. It was just an 'if'. Are you saying you DON'T have anything to reveal?

I'm not saying anything about reveals at all.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Telle

I'm not saying anything about reveals at all.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Anyway, I just re-read the rules, and have to think on this.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thanks for setting me straight.

Anyway, I just re-read the rules, and have to think on this.

At least somebody's thinking

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

If I'm wrong then my apologies to Telle.. but I seriously need to settle in my mind which side she is on today.

ok fine, then just please think about this:

Would the wolves out themselves SO badly trying to beat you over the head with the idea that we should NOT lynch Telle today? Does it make ay sense from a game play perspective to come out SO forcefully to try and turn your thinking away from what we believe to be the wrong choice?

The wolves would just let you go on your way, hell they'd HELP you Alan.

I won't. you're wrong here and I hope you see that soon.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

ok fine, then just please think about this:

Would the wolves out themselves SO badly trying to beat you over the head with the idea that we should NOT lynch Telle today? Does it make ay sense from a game play perspective to come out SO forcefully to try and turn your thinking away from what we believe to be the wrong choice?

The wolves would just let you go on your way, hell they'd HELP you Alan.

I won't. you're wrong here and I hope you see that soon.

I still haven't seen anyone try to save Telle by moving their vote to Saldana

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

ok fine, then just please think about this:

Would the wolves out themselves SO badly trying to beat you over the head with the idea that we should NOT lynch Telle today? Does it make ay sense from a game play perspective to come out SO forcefully to try and turn your thinking away from what we believe to be the wrong choice?

The wolves would just let you go on your way, hell they'd HELP you Alan.

I won't. you're wrong here and I hope you see that soon.

RendeR, I think I see why you're acting the way you are -- but can you explain the actions of other people?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

RendeR, I think I see why you're acting the way you are -- but can you explain the actions of other people?

Which people?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

im just cunfsed by alan. i mean EVERYTHNG screems wolf about him...... btu we know hes the duke? right? RIGHT?

I think he's just pushing hard because he's just about the only confirmed villager we have alive.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Telle

Which people?

I guess the people who have votes on me,, that are acting like I've rained holy hell on you. I can see why RendeR might vouch for you, but -- and you can answer this, too, not just him -- what do you make of the other people jumping on me?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess the people who have votes on me,, that are acting like I've rained holy hell on you. I can see why RendeR might vouch for you, but -- and you can answer this, too, not just him -- what do you make of the other people jumping on me?

I don't know anything about saldana or LoneStarGirl. If you're a villager and they're wolves perhaps they see you as a good target since you've been outspoken and drawn attention? As far as Lathum.. it appears that he gets it and is trying to keep me from getting lynched.

[Passacaglia]

To reiterate: RendeR, you're telling me that Telle is good, right? That despite my reasoning, which sounds good, I'm wrong. I can accept that. But don't you think that other people who seem just as confident as you are making it difficult for me to accept what you're telling me?