The OFFICIAL 2008-09 NHL Playoffs Thread - Page 30

henry296 · 06-12-2009, 09:38 PM

Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley, get me the brandy!!!!!

Galaxy · 06-12-2009, 09:38 PM

Let the Penguin/Crosby cumfest continue.

RomaGoth · 06-12-2009, 09:39 PM

Biggest. Choke. Ever.

Grats Pens.

Matthean · 06-12-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Biggest. Choke. Ever.

Grats Pens.

Um, U of M? USC?

sterlingice · 06-12-2009, 09:41 PM

Great, great game. Man, that was fun to watch

SI

sterlingice · 06-12-2009, 09:43 PM

Have the Wings fans just been booing the entire time or is it just a lot of ambient empty noise?

SI

thesloppy · 06-12-2009, 09:43 PM

sooo....I guess my grandad has to give the cup back now?

JonInMiddleGA · 06-12-2009, 09:43 PM

Huge disappointment by Detroit, major egg laying performance.

It's not Jets over Colts, Douglas over Tyson, nor Giants over Pats, but it's pretty big IMO.

Logan · 06-12-2009, 09:43 PM

Did Crosby miss shaking the hand of the vast majority of the Wings or did I just see it wrong?

Galaxy · 06-12-2009, 09:46 PM

I like how they boo, then cheer, then boo.

DataKing · 06-12-2009, 09:47 PM

Grats to the Penguins...they outplayed the Wings tonight no doubt. Enjoy it Pens fans. I mean that.

Pyser · 06-12-2009, 09:50 PM

i wonder if ill ever stop loving all nhl fans booing the shit out of bettman

RomaGoth · 06-12-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

i wonder if ill ever stop loving all nhl fans beating the shit out of bettman

fixed.

samifan24 · 06-12-2009, 09:53 PM

Congrats to the Pens. Can you imagine how happy Bylsma is now when he started the year in Scranton and finished with winning the Stanley Cup? My only question now is does he win the Jack Adams for his performance? I think he does.

sterlingice · 06-12-2009, 09:55 PM

Does anyone not like Mario?

SI

RomaGoth · 06-12-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Congrats to the Pens. Can you imagine how happy Bylsma is now when he started the year in Scranton and finished with winning the Stanley Cup? My only question now is does he win the Jack Adams for his performance? I think he does.

He went to high school about a half hour from where I grew up. Quite a year for him to be sure.

yacovfb · 06-12-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Congrats to the Pens. Can you imagine how happy Bylsma is now when he started the year in Scranton and finished with winning the Stanley Cup? My only question now is does he win the Jack Adams for his performance? I think he does.

Usually you have to be nominated to win. I'd make an exception for him this year, though, if it were up to me. Helluva coaching job.

DeToxRox · 06-12-2009, 10:00 PM

Kudos to the Pens. MAF was huge in the last two games when he needed to be and their whole team stepped up to play team first hockey. Lots of blocked shots, lots of selfless plays and just an all around awesome effort.

muns · 06-12-2009, 10:03 PM

Hell of a game.

I cant help but wonder whats going to go on in the hossa house hold tonight.

PurdueBrad · 06-12-2009, 10:04 PM

WOOOO, yes. It's a good time to be a Steelers and Pens fan (and sadly, a Pirate fan). I'm excited that my son was born in the year that the Steelers won the Super Bowl and the Pens the Cup. Sadly, Pittsburgh (with no team obviously) probably has a better chance at an NBA Title than a World Series!

Oh, and EF, the sig may have to stay forever now!

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 10:05 PM

Way to go, Pens. Very glad to see Kuni get an another one, and to see Bylsma get his Cup.

And now I can rest easy knowing that it wasn't as simple as just a stupid pushed leg pad from the Ducks winning the Cup this year.

Suburban Rhythm · 06-12-2009, 10:16 PM

That was a rough 3rd but it doesn't matter now. I though for a minute Michel Therrien had been rehired between peridods-- they played not to lose, rather than to win.

MAX TALBOT IS FUCKING CLUTCH! I thought Helm was really good this playoff run, but the amount of love he was getting when a guy like Talbot is doing the same thing, plus maybe a little more...and he's a great actor!

And Fleury-- HUGE save at the end. MAF of a year or 2 ago doesn't make that.

I'm considering keeping my beard now and changing it to a "Pirates reach .500" beard

Suburban Rhythm · 06-12-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Kudos to the Pens. MAF was huge in the last two games when he needed to be and their whole team stepped up to play team first hockey. Lots of blocked shots, lots of selfless plays and just an all around awesome effort.

Just threw out this stat on NHL Network

Blocked shots:

Detroit- 3
Pittsburgh - 20

Tekneek · 06-12-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by muns

I cant help but wonder whats going to go on in the hossa house hold tonight.

I was a Hossa fan back as he entered the league with Ottawa. However, I loved seeing him lose tonight. I really wonder if anybody has ever been in a similar position as him. Lose the Cup, reject a multiyear deal to sign a 1 year deal with the team you lost the Cup to, then face your old team in the Cup final and lose.

Suburban Rhythm · 06-12-2009, 10:22 PM

Anyone else think Dan Cleary checks his closet and under his bed before bed to make sure Brooks Orpik isn't waiting for him?

These last two finals, I don't know if Orpik has abused anyone more.

samifan24 · 06-12-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yacovfb

Usually you have to be nominated to win. I'd make an exception for him this year, though, if it were up to me. Helluva coaching job.

Wow I'm embarrassed that I forgot that you had to be nominated. Well, I'd vote for Claude Julien but I'm biased so we'll see.

henry296 · 06-12-2009, 10:47 PM

The voting for all awards is after the regular season. The nominees are just the top 3 vote getters.

Suburban Rhythm · 06-12-2009, 11:14 PM

One other great tidbit.

Talbot said he wanted to tell Hossa in the handshake line what a terrible decision he made.

Then goes out and scores 2

That's what superstar's do

RedKingGold · 06-12-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

WOOOO, yes. It's a good time to be a Steelers and Pens fan (and sadly, a Pirate fan). I'm excited that my son was born in the year that the Steelers won the Super Bowl and the Pens the Cup. Sadly, Pittsburgh (with no team obviously) probably has a better chance at an NBA Title than a World Series!

Oh, and EF, the sig may have to stay forever now!

Is there such a thing as a Pirates fan who is neither a Penguins nor Steelers fan?

If so, right now has to suck.

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

One other great tidbit.

Talbot said he wanted to tell Hossa in the handshake line what a terrible decision he made.

Then goes out and scores 2

That's what superstar's do

Did you just call Max Talbot a superstar?

Suburban Rhythm · 06-12-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

YouTube - Funny Pittsburgh Penguin Car Commercial Part II

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If a youtube is worth 1,000 words-- there is 2,000 for you

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Did you just call Max Talbot a superstar?

More quoting than outright saying it.

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

More quoting that outright saying it.

I don't think you should even quote that.

Arles · 06-13-2009, 12:28 AM

Fantastic game a series. Kudos to Pitt and Detroit for getting me back interested in Hockey!

stevew · 06-13-2009, 12:38 AM

The pirates will be over .500 at worst by the conclusion of the 2011 season.
They're going through that "learning how to win" stage right now.

I hate most Pittsburgh fans cause they are generally clueless homers. Very few even realize how lucky the Pens even were to get 2 of the top 5 players of their generation in back to back years. It is almost impossible in a major sport.

Logan · 06-13-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Did Crosby miss shaking the hand of the vast majority of the Wings or did I just see it wrong?

BTW, googling seems like a few other people noticed this also. Surprised it wasn't talked about.

Pumpy Tudors · 06-13-2009, 11:25 AM

MAX TALBOT IS A SUPERSTAR

WE DO NOT ARGUE THIS

JPhillips · 06-13-2009, 11:59 AM

The curse of the Senators. I read that no player drafted by this incarnation of the Senators has won the cup.

Maple Leafs · 06-13-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

The curse of the Senators. I read that no player drafted by this incarnation of the Senators has won the cup.

0-for-151.

Wolfpack · 06-13-2009, 02:30 PM

While I'm not utterly happy that the Pens won the Cup considering they had a number of absolute jerks infest the various local media websites during the ECFs leaving me in the reluctant position of wanting Detroit to win, I'm happy for both Craig Adams (second time on the Cup for the ex-Cane from '06) and Jordan Staal (last reference to "younger brother of Carolina center Eric Staal" of the year).

Congrats to the Pens and much of their fanbase. The 'Burgh is definitely on a roll like Boston was for a while.

Suburban Rhythm · 06-13-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Did Crosby miss shaking the hand of the vast majority of the Wings or did I just see it wrong?

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281761

Kris Draper, voice of reason.

Logan · 06-13-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281761

Kris Draper, voice of reason.

I thought there was no way he could've gotten thru the line with how far back he was celebrating with coaches. And then I heard Babcock getting picked up by a mic saying something like "that's some great leadership Sydney" and while I thought maybe he wasn't being sarcastic, it seemed like it made sense.

Considering how much I destroyed Brodeur for not shaking Avery's hand last year (and while he may have had a legit reason, my stance was you man up and respect the tradition), I feel the need to say this:

Go fuck yourself you fucking woman.

Honolulu_Blue · 06-13-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281761

Kris Draper, voice of reason.

Tekneek · 06-13-2009, 03:32 PM

So what? Put me down as someone who doesn't care about that anymore.

bbor · 06-13-2009, 03:39 PM

As a hockey player and a coach...there is absolutly no excuse for what Crosby did.Hockey players are renown for tearing each other apart on the ice but as soon as the whistle goes it is back to being decent human beings and showing good sportsmanship.

Suburban Rhythm · 06-13-2009, 03:56 PM

If you watched all the post game, he was the first person grabbed by about 30 media people. Then he was in line. He talked to Franzen for awhile (assume the hit).

If he shook nobodies hand, you have an argument. That isn't the case.

Where was Lidstrom? If he felt so strongly about shaking Crosby's hand, why didn't he circle back around to catch Crosby after he entered the line?

And where was Draper during this too? You have a message you want to get across, go tell him yourself.

Honolulu_Blue · 06-13-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

As a hockey player and a coach...there is absolutly no excuse for what Crosby did.Hockey players are renown for tearing each other apart on the ice but as soon as the whistle goes it is back to being decent human beings and showing good sportsmanship.

Agreed.

While not shaking hands isn't the end of the world, it's a long, long long standing hockey tradition and show of sportsmanship that the sport of hockey takes a lot of pride in. It's one of the things that separates it from the other sports.

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

So what? Put me down as someone who doesn't care about that anymore.

Sportsmanship? That's too bad.

Suburban Rhythm · 06-13-2009, 04:21 PM

Yes, I realize this is coming from a Pittsburgh paper.

No snub of Lidstrom, Pens officials say

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Penguins officials have defended Sidney Crosby, the team's captain, against a charge that he snubbed his Detroit counterpart, Nicklas Lidstrom, in the handshake line after the team won the Stanley Cup at Joe Louis Arena last night.
Red Wings center Kris Draper told the Associated Press that "Nick was waiting and waiting, and Crosby didn't come over to shake his hand" in the traditional handshake line. He added that, "that's ridiculous, especially as their captain, and make sure you write that I said that."
Crosby could not be reached for comment Saturday, but when Tom McMillan, the Penguins' vice president of communications, was informed of Draper's accusation, he said:
"There's nobody who respects the traditions of hockey more than Sidney Crosby. It was a young team celebrating its first Cup and some of the guys might have been a little late getting into the handshake line."
Crosby was photographed going through the handshake line and it is not known how long Lidstrom waited before adjourning to the locker room.
Members of losing teams generally vacate the ice pretty quickly.

Honolulu_Blue · 06-13-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Yes, I realize this is coming from a Pittsburgh paper.

No snub of Lidstrom, Pens officials say

I didn't watch it (and the only picture I saw of it was him shaking Osgood's hand), so I'm more than willing to buy the whole "he got caught up in the moment" argument and just lost track of things and whose hand he shook and what not. I doubt it was intentional.

Now, you could argue that should have been focused on the handshake tradition first before celebrating, but given the chaos and emotions and all at the moment it's hard to fault him. Crosby haters, no doubt, will not see it that way.

Chief Rum · 06-13-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I didn't watch it (and the only picture I saw of it was him shaking Osgood's hand), so I'm more than willing to buy the whole "he got caught up in the moment" argument and just lost track of things and whose hand he shook and what not. I doubt it was intentional.

Now, you could argue that should have been focused on the handshake tradition first before celebrating, but given the chaos and emotions and all at the moment it's hard to fault him. Crosby haters, no doubt, will not see it that way.

Yeah, I guess I lean this way as well. I will say it's one more drop in the deserved criticism bucket for Sid the Kid, though. Crosby is well known for whining for calls and usually avoiding the rough stuff, still lives with Mario despite making a ton of money, and now for being late to the handshake line after winning the Cup.

IMO, all of this, except the whining crap, which will doubtless continue, is a sign of his age and maturity issues. It will get better as he gets older, but of course, right now, he's still really a kid.

Some guys don't act like this at a young age. Getzlaf comes to mind. Yzerman back in the day. But they're probably more the exception than the rule.

I think Crosby should call Lidstrom and apologize for not going straight to him. That's about all that's needed, IMO. That and hoping Crosby remembers this if he is ever in this same situation again, to handle it better.

Oilers9911 · 06-13-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

As a hockey player and a coach...there is absolutly no excuse for what Crosby did.Hockey players are renown for tearing each other apart on the ice but as soon as the whistle goes it is back to being decent human beings and showing good sportsmanship.

Come on man. It had nothing to do with poor sportsmanship. The guy was swarmed by tons of media and was celebrating with his teammates and coaches. The kid is 21 years old and just won the Stanley Cup. He shook some hands and the NBC idiots kept grabbing him for interviews. Why would he shake hands last year after losing the Cup but this year snub the Red Wings after winning it? Kris Draper is a baby.

06-12-2009, 09:38 PM	#1451
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley, get me the brandy!!!!! __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

06-12-2009, 09:41 PM	#1455
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Great, great game. Man, that was fun to watch SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-12-2009, 09:43 PM	#1456
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Have the Wings fans just been booing the entire time or is it just a lot of ambient empty noise? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-12-2009, 09:43 PM	#1458
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Huge disappointment by Detroit, major egg laying performance. It's not Jets over Colts, Douglas over Tyson, nor Giants over Pats, but it's pretty big IMO. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

06-12-2009, 09:47 PM	#1461
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	Grats to the Penguins...they outplayed the Wings tonight no doubt. Enjoy it Pens fans. I mean that. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

06-12-2009, 09:38 PM	#1452
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Let the Penguin/Crosby cumfest continue.

06-12-2009, 09:43 PM	#1457
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	sooo....I guess my grandad has to give the cup back now?

06-12-2009, 09:43 PM	#1459
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Did Crosby miss shaking the hand of the vast majority of the Wings or did I just see it wrong?

06-12-2009, 09:46 PM	#1460
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	I like how they boo, then cheer, then boo.

06-12-2009, 09:50 PM	#1462
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	i wonder if ill ever stop loving all nhl fans booing the shit out of bettman

06-12-2009, 09:53 PM	#1464
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Congrats to the Pens. Can you imagine how happy Bylsma is now when he started the year in Scranton and finished with winning the Stanley Cup? My only question now is does he win the Jack Adams for his performance? I think he does. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

06-12-2009, 09:55 PM	#1465
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Does anyone not like Mario? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-12-2009, 10:00 PM	#1468
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Kudos to the Pens. MAF was huge in the last two games when he needed to be and their whole team stepped up to play team first hockey. Lots of blocked shots, lots of selfless plays and just an all around awesome effort.

06-12-2009, 10:03 PM	#1469
muns Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baltimore MD	Hell of a game. I cant help but wonder whats going to go on in the hossa house hold tonight.

06-12-2009, 10:05 PM	#1471
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Way to go, Pens. Very glad to see Kuni get an another one, and to see Bylsma get his Cup. And now I can rest easy knowing that it wasn't as simple as just a stupid pushed leg pad from the Ducks winning the Cup this year. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-12-2009, 10:16 PM	#1472
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	That was a rough 3rd but it doesn't matter now. I though for a minute Michel Therrien had been rehired between peridods-- they played not to lose, rather than to win. MAX TALBOT IS FUCKING CLUTCH! I thought Helm was really good this playoff run, but the amount of love he was getting when a guy like Talbot is doing the same thing, plus maybe a little more...and he's a great actor! And Fleury-- HUGE save at the end. MAF of a year or 2 ago doesn't make that. I'm considering keeping my beard now and changing it to a "Pirates reach .500" beard __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

06-12-2009, 10:22 PM	#1475
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	Anyone else think Dan Cleary checks his closet and under his bed before bed to make sure Brooks Orpik isn't waiting for him? These last two finals, I don't know if Orpik has abused anyone more. __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

06-12-2009, 10:47 PM	#1477
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	The voting for all awards is after the regular season. The nominees are just the top 3 vote getters. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

06-12-2009, 11:14 PM	#1478
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	One other great tidbit. Talbot said he wanted to tell Hossa in the handshake line what a terrible decision he made. Then goes out and scores 2 That's what superstar's do __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

06-13-2009, 12:28 AM	#1483
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Fantastic game a series. Kudos to Pitt and Detroit for getting me back interested in Hockey! __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

06-13-2009, 12:38 AM	#1484
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The pirates will be over .500 at worst by the conclusion of the 2011 season. They're going through that "learning how to win" stage right now. I hate most Pittsburgh fans cause they are generally clueless homers. Very few even realize how lucky the Pens even were to get 2 of the top 5 players of their generation in back to back years. It is almost impossible in a major sport.

06-13-2009, 11:25 AM	#1486
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	MAX TALBOT IS A SUPERSTAR WE DO NOT ARGUE THIS __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

06-13-2009, 11:59 AM	#1487
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The curse of the Senators. I read that no player drafted by this incarnation of the Senators has won the cup. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

06-13-2009, 02:30 PM	#1489
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	While I'm not utterly happy that the Pens won the Cup considering they had a number of absolute jerks infest the various local media websites during the ECFs leaving me in the reluctant position of wanting Detroit to win, I'm happy for both Craig Adams (second time on the Cup for the ex-Cane from '06) and Jordan Staal (last reference to "younger brother of Carolina center Eric Staal" of the year). Congrats to the Pens and much of their fanbase. The 'Burgh is definitely on a roll like Boston was for a while.

06-13-2009, 03:32 PM	#1493
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	So what? Put me down as someone who doesn't care about that anymore.

06-13-2009, 03:39 PM	#1494
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	As a hockey player and a coach...there is absolutly no excuse for what Crosby did.Hockey players are renown for tearing each other apart on the ice but as soon as the whistle goes it is back to being decent human beings and showing good sportsmanship. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

06-13-2009, 03:56 PM	#1495
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	If you watched all the post game, he was the first person grabbed by about 30 media people. Then he was in line. He talked to Franzen for awhile (assume the hit). If he shook nobodies hand, you have an argument. That isn't the case. Where was Lidstrom? If he felt so strongly about shaking Crosby's hand, why didn't he circle back around to catch Crosby after he entered the line? And where was Draper during this too? You have a message you want to get across, go tell him yourself. __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

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