The Biden Presidency - 2020

[sterlingice]

The article says the rest of the costs haven't been scored by the CBO

SI

[sterlingice]

My bad, actually it was another article I was reading about it:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/polit...den/index.html

An aide close to the process told CNN the plan is expected to be between $500-$600 billion, though lawmakers are still waiting to hear from the Congressional Budget Office on the estimated cost.

SI

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm pretty sure that is bad wording. I have to believe it is more than $160B (vs 1.9T) as a starting point.

Yes it is $600 billion according to Cassidy which seems really low something closer to $900 billion would be a fair consideration.

[RainMaker]

It would be just like the Democrats to fuck up the easiest fucking thing they could ever do.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It would be just like the Democrats to fuck up the easiest fucking thing they could ever do.

The Democrats are Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the football all at once, somehow.

SI

[GrantDawg]

From what I am reading, the proposal includes $1,000 stimulus to targeted at a much lower income threshold. I can see drop the thresholds by some, but dropping the amounts is a no-go.

[Lathum]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ments-n1256365

[GrantDawg]

Going into February 2nd, and the Republicans still hold the committee chairs in the Senate. Can you guys tell me more how McConnell lost that standoff? Democrats have no backbone.

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[GrantDawg]

Losing Schiff in congress would be a big loss.

Rep. Adam Schiff is quietly lobbying Gov. Gavin Newsom and his allies to appoint him California’s next attorney general, according to people familiar with the matter. https://t.co/Z2zo33hgWt

— Axios (@axios) February 3, 2021

[ISiddiqui]

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...150296576?s=19

Dunno if this is allowed in the we hate Congressional Democrats circle jerk

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[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...150296576?s=19

Dunno if this is allowed in the we hate Congressional Democrats circle jerk

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I don't know about circle-jerk. This is a good thing, while it is February 3 and the GOP still hold committee chairs. You saying that is a good thing? Show of strength?


edit: In a reverse situation, how long would it have taken McConnell to force the presiding resolution through even if he had to nuke the filibuster to do it? One day? 12 hours?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't know about circle-jerk. This is a good thing, while it is February 3 and the GOP still hold committee chairs. You saying that is a good thing? Show of strength?


edit: In a reverse situation, how long would it have taken McConnell to force the presiding resolution through even if he had to nuke the filibuster to do it? One day? 12 hours?

Forever, if he had the same situation in a 50-50 setup where a couple of Republicans didn't support nuking the filibuster. I still haven't seen anyone explain what Schumer is supposed to do differently.

[ISiddiqui]

Yep. They also got Manchin and Sinema to agree to send Biden's $1.9 tril bill through reconciliation (including the additional payments Manchin wasn't sold on a few weeks back). And I believe Schumer just announced the committee assignments to the caucus yesterday, so I'm sure that's part of it. Not to mention nothing has been held up yet.

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[albionmoonlight]

Schumer announces a vote on organizing resolution today.

Watching the Dems be (1) competent and (2) not scared is a strange and new experience for me.

I could get used to it.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Schumer announces a vote on organizing resolution today.

Watching the Dems be (1) competent and (2) not scared is a strange and new experience for me.

I could get used to it.

Because it's the Dems, I'm waiting for what stupid things they gave up to get this. Like that evenly split committees can't advance legislation or something Wily E. Coyote like that. It's still the Dems we're talking about.

SI

[GrantDawg]

Love this. Q-Cal, LOL.



[JPhillips]

Kevin McQarthy

[Edward64]

Psaki's briefing yesterday did seem to "diss" Space Force. There was a follow-up question today and she was curt in her reply.

I think this is the first mistake I've seen her make. I can see this snowball some and she should get Biden to chime in to help.

[JPhillips]

Space Force goes from silly to sinister when you discover that Q folks see it as the force that will arrest and execute the Satanic pedophile Dems.

[RainMaker]

Maybe she made fun of it because it's a colossal joke to anyone in or around the military.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Psaki's briefing yesterday did seem to "diss" Space Force. There was a follow-up question today and she was curt in her reply.

I think this is the first mistake I've seen her make. I can see this snowball some and she should get Biden to chime in to help.

So we had a press secretary who lied about the size of the inauguration crowd his first presser, then one who was completely combative with the press and literally just praised the POTUS, then one who didn't actually do a press conference for 9 months, then one who lied like crazy, defended the indefensible, and was even more combative with the press then the earlier one.

But, yeah, Psaki got a little curt so Biden better bail her our. GTFO with that.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So we had a press secretary who lied about the size of the inauguration crowd his first presser, then one who was completely combative with the press and literally just praised the POTUS, then one who didn't actually do a press conference for 9 months, then one who lied like crazy, defended the indefensible, and was even more combative with the press then the earlier one.

But, yeah, Psaki got a little curt so Biden better bail her our. GTFO with that.

Yes I agree that is a ridiculous take. Fuck space force.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Maybe she made fun of it because it's a colossal joke to anyone in or around the military.

Ding ding ding bingo.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yes I agree that is a ridiculous take. Fuck space force.

Disagree. Right decision for the long-term. Glad Biden read my email.

President Joe Biden is looking at all policies put in place by Republican predecessor Donald Trump, with a view toward possibly rolling them back, but not so the U.S. Space Force.

“They absolutely have the full support of the Biden administration,” White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters on Wednesday about the Space Force, a day after her dismissal of a question about the service suggested Biden was less than enthusiastic about it.

The Space Force was created as a separate branch of the U.S. military by Trump, who spoke enthusiastically about the need for a force to protect American interests in orbit and celebrated its new flag in an Oval Office ceremony.

Since it was carved out of the Air Force, there had been speculation that Biden might seek to send the Space Force back to where it was before and deny Trump a signature achievement.

But Biden has decided to keep what has been called the world’s only independent space force, officially established in December 2019.

“We are not revisiting the decision to establish the Space Force,” Psaki said.

[GrantDawg]

Of course, on Twitter even the members of Space Force mock Space Force.

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[GrantDawg]

I mean, they have "space camouflage " uniforms. How can anybody take that seriously?

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I mean, they have "space camouflage " uniforms. How can anybody take that seriously?

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They wear camos because it'll be a while before we have a space fleet. But in the meantime, check out what they do on earth (see pics).

U.S. Air Force - Space Force

In the U.S. Space Force, we are challenged every day to find new heights. Working within the space domain, our people launch rockets, keep satellites safe and operational, and develop technology to defend our way of life on Earth through our interests in space. We protect the hopes and dreams of America and exploration, while preparing for the 22nd century. When humankind asks “What if”, the mission of Space Force is to be the answer.

[GrantDawg]

So they do what NASA largely does, but we pay for two agencies to do it. Yay.

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[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

So they do what NASA largely does, but we pay for two agencies to do it. Yay.

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That seems lean by government standards.

[RainMaker]

Yeah it is just another agency to toss money at defense contractors. Also was set up to humor Trump.

[sterlingice]

Some actual swamp draining

"Biden’s new Pentagon chief purges Trump loyalists — including one who called Obama a ‘terrorist leader’
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announces ‘immediate suspension’ of former appointees, including several known for their incendiary online rhetoric"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1797057.html

"Biden Ousts All 10 of Trump’s Union Busters From Powerful Labor Panel"
Biden ousts Trump’s union busters from the Federal Service Impasses Panel.


SI

[JPhillips]

Romney's child benefit proposal is a really good beginning for negotiations. I hope Dems take it seriously.

[bob]

Is that change to child tax credits during income tax filing or something else?

As a software developer, I can feel the stress at the IRS and tax software companies regarding all these changes so close to the beginning of filing season.

[JediKooter]

Maybe the Space Force is actually protecting us from Goa'uld attacks?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Maybe the Space Force is actually protecting us from Goa'uld attacks?

Would you risk defunding Colonel Jack O'Neill and his team? He has saved earth time and again!

SI

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Would you risk defunding Colonel Jack O'Neill and his team? He has saved earth time and again!

SI

I definitely would not risk it. The work that SG1 has accomplished, everyone on Earth should be more than thankful for their service. Now, that Senator Kinsey guy though...what a piece of work.

[Edward64]

Biden to stop US participation in Yemen. I don't really like it because it seems to weaken SA as our proxy vs Iran in the region but have to believe the Biden administration has played through the scenarios ... so good with it for now.

I do hope Biden has the master plan for the region including "incentives/stick" for SA normalization with Israel, reducing the radicalism there, and limiting Iran's influence.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by bob

Is that change to child tax credits during income tax filing or something else?

As a software developer, I can feel the stress at the IRS and tax software companies regarding all these changes so close to the beginning of filing season.

Mitt Romney has a plan to give parents up to $15,000 a year
The Family Security Act would offer up to $350 per month, per kid, to help parents raise their children.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...s-parents-4200

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Mitt Romney’s checks plan: up to $350 per month, per kid for parents - Vox

Bidens plan already had a $3000 fully refundable credit, but just for this year. This is $1200 more for children under 6, then the same $3,000 from ages 6-18. Romney's plan caps out at 5 kids. Romney's plan also kills the earned income tax credit, the childcare tax credit, and welfare for needy families.

[RainMaker]

Romney is a moderate Democrat at heart. I know he can't switch parties and get elected out there, but it's always felt weird.

[albionmoonlight]

Romney is a conservative. But an actual conservative, not a MAGA head.

That makes him a Democrat in 2021. But I understand why he is staying in his party to try and save it.

[CrimsonFox]

Greene removed from House committees

That's right Greene! GTFO!

[GrantDawg]

Yeah, his dad was a conservative in the old way as well. Conservative didn't used to mean anti-government or anti-poor people. George Romney introduced the state income tax to Michigan. Think a "conservative" would do that today?

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[JPhillips]

Can you believe that there was a time when conservatives thought taxes should be raised if spending was increased to balance the budget?

[ISiddiqui]

When George HW Bush, who was no liberal, partially lost a Presidential re-election because he raised taxes after saying he wouldn't. Because the debt was far greater than he realized.

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[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Can you believe that there was a time when conservatives thought taxes should be raised if spending was increased to balance the budget?

Read. My. Lips. It was in my lifetime.

SI

[GrantDawg]

The more I read about Romney's plan, the more I like it. The programs and tax credits cut are more than made up for in the benefits of the "UBI for kids."

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[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The more I read about Romney's plan, the more I like it. The programs and tax credits cut are more than made up for in the benefits of the "UBI for kids."

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From everything I have seen, it is a good faith proposal, and I hope that the Dems treat it as such.

We are NOT having enough babies in this country to support me in my old age. And since it does not look like we are going to be opening the borders anytime soon, encouraging folks to have kids is the next best thing.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

From everything I have seen, it is a good faith proposal, and I hope that the Dems treat it as such.

We are NOT having enough babies in this country to support me in my old age. And since it does not look like we are going to be opening the borders anytime soon, encouraging folks to have kids is the next best thing.

Encouraging babies is the worst thing for climate change.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Can you believe that there was a time when conservatives thought taxes should be raised if spending was increased to balance the budget?

Oh I remember that. Back in the time when I actually was a conservative, and inspired by people who actually believed such things. That brand of conservatism is dead, practically speaking.