Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Yes, because its always a good idea to reveal our seer on the off chance our bodyguard can protect him every night the rest of the game. Or reveal with your theory mr. w is the bodyguard so the bad guys can pick them both off on the same night and laugh away.

Im sorry, i dont know where your coming from in telling me I made a mistake in not revealing our seer and bodyguard on days 2 and 3...stunning to me you would suggest that really

Actually I will take this on. Perhaps the reason I'm not willing to just take your word for it is that the information you HAVE given us has not been 100%. How great of you to tell us after the fact that you knew the truth about Mr.W and ntn. That's great. I mean I can claim all sorts of things after the fact.

However, for understandable reasons, the information you have provided has been incomplete and misleading, again through no fault of your own. Perhaps, then, I've just made your argument for you. The less you share the less we're mislead. So this idea that we should just trust you on the information? Give me a break.

[dubb93]

And with that I have a concert to get ready for. Kramus is playing tonight at the Emerson in Indianapolis if anyone is in the area you will want to check them out. Great local rock band with over 6 hours of original material. Too bad they will probably just be playing a 45 minute headliner set instead of an all night bar set. Hopefully Saldana is who Blade and LSG say he is and nothing too fishy is going on here.

[Barkeep49]

So I have been focusing in, too much I guess, on saldana and that line of thinking. Hoops: you're basically suggesting that swaggs could not have killed Tyrith, correct?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Actually I will take this on. Perhaps the reason I'm not willing to just take your word for it is that the information you HAVE given us has not been 100%. How great of you to tell us after the fact that you knew the truth about Mr.W and ntn. That's great. I mean I can claim all sorts of things after the fact.

However, for understandable reasons, the information you have provided has been incomplete and misleading, again through no fault of your own. Perhaps, then, I've just made your argument for you. The less you share the less we're mislead. So this idea that we should just trust you on the information? Give me a break.

No, most information i have gotten has been rather conclusive. If you will note, the one bit of misleading info i got was the urchin bribe, which is not an ability exclusive to my role. Every other shred of info i have been given has been quite conclusive. Whether i deemed/deem it necessary to give it all to you is another story, but except for the urchin everything i have been told im PMs has been quite conclusive. Im sorry if you dont like my game, and im sure you dont since you were the beneficiary of my day 2 reveal of info, but i whole-heartedly believe with similar info you would have made a similar move. You can deny it, but hind-sight is 20/20.

I lynched alan, but he admitted he made multiple mistakes that got him lynched, not my incorrect information. I lynched lathum with hoops by being honest with my information. Saldana will die and turn up as hyde because of my info. So, unless your just totally hung up on the urchin reveal, i dont see a basis for your claims.

Now, i will grant you i have not been even remotely up front with my facts, and i may have been misleading(i admit i have been very much so), but the info i have attained has been far from it.

[DaddyTorgo]

no time to explain votes...work in 2 minutes but I will be on pre-lynch for my lynch vote. dunno where the saldana thing stands...havnt seen a vote count yet

can't bold on phone as always sorry CR

VOTE NO LYNCH SWAGGS

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Actually, the first with the five shilling comment was Fouts. I believe Dubb was the first to mention opium on Day 1, but would have to look up the post to be certain on this point. I know there is one aspect of the "normal villager" role that Dubb was the first to mention on that day.

When saldana comes up evil though, can we still trust such things as this? Thats the only thing that has earned dubb any trust from me, and now im beginning to realize it may be completely unfounded as saldana was able to bribe the urchin, what makes us think he and the other evils can also go to the opium den or prostitutes?

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I don't think we can trust that information as conclusive if Saldana is Hyde. Which is part of the reason I was asking earlier for people to post their night activity summaries. Having seen and been seen by people is another form of currency for building trust. I don't know if it is all-inclusive but I think it helps.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep,

[hoopsguy]

Er, that was weird.

Barkeep, I haven't spent time trying to figure out Swaggs relative to Tyrith. I did spend some time trying to see if the info released by Blade/LSG on Saldana matched up with the Night 3 description posted by our moderator.

[hoopsguy]

Er, that was weird.

Barkeep, I haven't spent time trying to figure out Swaggs relative to Tyrith. I did spend some time trying to see if the info released by Blade/LSG on Saldana matched up with the Night 3 description posted by our moderator.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, I don't think we can trust that information as conclusive if Saldana is Hyde. Which is part of the reason I was asking earlier for people to post their night activity summaries. Having seen and been seen by people is another form of currency for building trust. I don't know if it is all-inclusive but I think it helps.

I think it helps, as it allows more situations like lathum where he was seen out and about by people but didnt do anything. Thats why people like dubb worry me. You saw lathum out and about, but he was bad. Dubb is saying hes ok becuase people saw him out and about...i certainly agree its helping

[Barkeep49]

So what are your thoughs on Swaggs then?

I think there is NO reason, at all, to believe that so called normal villager options would not be available to the bad guys. My COT, is and remains, small:

Bulletsponge
Myself
Hoops

Nearly trusted would be:
Izulde

If there wasn't the idea that Blade was a mason he'd been in that second category with Izulde. I have others that I feel one way or the other about. But I always thought the COTs were way too large.

[Barkeep49]

Question: Would people object to my cleaning up posts like 1508, but in particulr 1509? We have a strong "don't delete posts" ethic here, but I've always thought duplicate posts should be an exception.

~Barkeep49, Your friendly WW Mod

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Question: Would people object to my cleaning up posts like 1508, but in particulr 1509? We have a strong "don't delete posts" ethic here, but I've always thought duplicate posts should be an exception.

~Barkeep49, Your friendly WW Mod

I think its totally fine, i have actually employed that policy in the past. If i post a duplicate, i just delete it. I never edit or delete normal posts, but ill delete duplicates right when it happens

[hoopsguy]

My thoughts on Swaggs is that I grant him trust today since we have decided to go down the Saldana = Hyde path. Blade is vouching for him, so if you trust Blade then you believe him on Swaggs.

By working with Blade as good, I have a couple of others I trust as well. But I'm not sure there is much benefit in exploring this until we learn the results of this lynch.

[Blade6119]

I have my CODT(non trusted) right now down to 5 people. I hope to make that number even lower tonight.

Thats working under the assumption the hookers are all good, right or wrong...

[Blade6119]

dola, that does not account for saldana though, so if you dont think hes going to die today bump that up to 6

[Barkeep49]

All the hookers started the game as good. I'm skeptical about a possible conversion mechanism, though I guess I shouldn't be considering how stacked in favor of the good guys the game SEEMS to be.

[saldana]

nice

i guess no one finds it convenient that 5 minutes after i say i have to get back to work and wont be around to defend myself, LoneStarGirl, who has basically been on the bottom of everyone's trust lists for days, magically comes up with a revelation about me that aligns her solidly next to the one person in the game that everyone trusts....

i was bothered when people just blindly followed blade, but could understand it to an extent, but what has LSG done to invoke anyone's trust?

blade...is there anyway (other than dying) that i can convince you that you are wrong about me? there could be 2 mechanics in this game that could involve you being incorrect...the fog, and the unknown confusion mechanic mentioned in the rules.

i already know the answer to that question, but just thought i would ask......

[saldana]

again, i am here to defend myself, and the thread is empty except for hoops....i guess i'm done for this one...at least i got to live for 4 days.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, the night results mentioning the killing happening next to LSG's house add a little credibility. Other than that, it is the cumulative affect of two people placing you as the killer - people with no established link up to this point in time.

We were wrong in our lynch yesterday. We will be definitely hurting if we are wrong on our lynch today. But I'm having a hard time going in another direction today with multiple people saying you are guilty.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, Friday afternoons are teh sux for WW play. Maybe we'll get a spike near the deadline, but this is usually ghost-town time in these threads.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

blade...is there anyway (other than dying) that i can convince you that you are wrong about me? there could be 2 mechanics in this game that could involve you being incorrect...the fog, and the unknown confusion mechanic mentioned in the rules.

i already know the answer to that question, but just thought i would ask......

Honestly, if i had gotten the information in a different manner id be open to the idea. Especially after not wanting another alan mistake today....

BUT

My PM was drop dead, stake my life, 100% utterly and leaving no room for error clear you are mr. hyde. Neither fog nor the confusion mechanic would effect what happened to me last night, and as such i regret there is no way i will move off you. On the bright side, you made it to day 4 and made a few kills before you were caught, so its not all negative for you this game.

Saldana, i really do respect you and the game you played...i didnt suspect you all that much, and got lucky when catching you really. Keep you head up, as you were playing a great game if you ask me.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Saldana, the night results mentioning the killing happening next to LSG's house add a little credibility. Other than that, it is the cumulative affect of two people placing you as the killer - people with no established link up to this point in time.

We were wrong in our lynch yesterday. We will be definitely hurting if we are wrong on our lynch today. But I'm having a hard time going in another direction today with multiple people saying you are guilty.

like i said earlier, when blade was accusing me, i could understand people going with, but LSG is such a latch on IMO that is has me miffed that people are following her.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, if you do turn out to be a bad guy it will confirm a thought I had earlier:

"The only way Saldana lives to see Day 3 is if he is a bad guy"

[st.cronin]

Saldana, I'm a little troubled by the "convenience" of LSG and Blade having their stories match up so nicely. But, what do you want us to do? What would you do if you were a villager and two players came out saying definitively that somebody else was bad?

Unless you have something else, we really have no other play than to lynch you.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana -- Are you suggesting that Blade and LSG are both willing to do a fake reveal at this point in the game?

[Barkeep49]

cronin brings up a point: Saldana what alternative course are you suggesting?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Saldana -- Are you suggesting that Blade and LSG are both willing to do a fake reveal at this point in the game?

To be fair, i was fake revealing since day 2..so its not that much of a stretch

[Lorena]

Assuming blade is telling the truth:

Vote saldana
Vote no lynch swaggs

We'll have to see how this lynch comes about, but I have my suspicions. There's a good chance I won't be around by lynch time, so this vote is pretty set.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Saldana, if you do turn out to be a bad guy it will confirm a thought I had earlier:

"The only way Saldana lives to see Day 3 is if he is a bad guy"

the same could be said about you, blade, and barkeep

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

To be fair, i was fake revealing since day 2..so its not that much of a stretch

Ugh, this really frustrates me, it's like, how in the hell do we know you're telling the truth NOW?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Saldana -- Are you suggesting that Blade and LSG are both willing to do a fake reveal at this point in the game?

no...i am as sure blade is good as i am of anything...i think LSG is latching on to blade in an effort to move herself up trust lists

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

cronin brings up a point: Saldana what alternative course are you suggesting?

lynch someone else and you or hoops tell me where to be tonight so i can bang you...you will find out if i am good or bad then.

[Lorena]

Screw it, I'm going with my gut:

unvote saldana
unvote no lynch swaggs
vote blade
vote lynch swaggs

I wouldn't doubt it if blade and LSG are both aligned for evil. The last time I remember LSG being evil, she was chatty saying she'll be around a lot, then she gets her role and completely disappears.

Something just ain't right.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

the same could be said about you, blade, and barkeep

Saldana, recently ive been living a long time every game, and i havent been bad in like 10 games.

Actually, both games i was a wolf(only 2 out of like my 30) i died by day 2. The one bad guy game i did well i was turncoat.

[Lorena]

with that I'm out til after lynch

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Ugh, this really frustrates me, it's like, how in the hell do we know you're telling the truth NOW?

You have to rely on things like Mr. W our watchman trusting me and knowing and not being willing to reveal my real role.

DC, vote how you will, i was planning on scanning you tonight regardless of how you vote.

[st.cronin]

Bold move by DC. I don't trust her at all, so

vote no lynch swaggs

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by saldana

the same could be said about you, blade, and barkeep

It isn't a comment on level of play, but on your uncanny attractiveness to bad guys. It isn't fair, but it is an amusing trend for me to observe

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

It isn't a comment on level of play, but on your uncanny attractiveness to bad guys. It isn't fair, but it is an amusing trend for me to observe

in that case, i am surpirsed it took 4 days for someone to say it

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, in fairness NTN was "brutaled" by Jack, so any knowledge of that could not have helped prevent a death.

When the postgame rolls around I'm going to be pretty interested in hearing what Blade knew when, and to try and put myself in his shoes. Because it has been alternately fascinating and frustrating to watch.

I believe that Blade knew ntn was Lestrade.

[path12]

Originally Posted by saldana

no...i am as sure blade is good as i am of anything...i think LSG is latching on to blade in an effort to move herself up trust lists

I don't have any reason to trust LSG and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she's trying to distance herself to move up trust lists -- she sees that she's near the bottom of most of them right now.

[st.cronin]

Saldana was comfortably in my cot at the beginning of the day, for the record.

[Izulde]

No I have no idea why I was arrested.

st. cronin is now high on my list, though because he tried to get people to get going on lynching me for one, and for two, he's not trusting DC, even though I'm a prostitute and have already vouched that DC is in fact just an ordinary, good villager when she visited me.

[Raiders Army]

After catching up, I'll throw out there that I don't see the endgame for the villians in this game so early. I think we have to trust Blade at this point. That being said

NO LYNCH SWAGGS

But...I would say that Blade's relationship with one other member of the game baffles me. That is what is causing some hesitation on my part.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by path12

I don't have any reason to trust LSG and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she's trying to distance herself to move up trust lists -- she sees that she's near the bottom of most of them right now.

then lynch her and give me a chance to get screened by a ho tonight.

[Raiders Army]

I'm out for a bit with our Friday supper night out, but I'll be back before the lynch.

[st.cronin]

Roughly 90 minutes til deadline, correct?

[Barkeep49]

150 minutes.