Werewolf CXXXIII - The Dark Knight - MOBSTERS WIN

[Autumn]

Gotham City Afternoon News

Danny - danny (1369)
No lynch - chubby (1450)
NTNdeacon - zinto (1489)
Zinto - hoopsguy (1500)

[Autumn]

Danny, you already had a vote on yourself, and I don't believe you unvoted.

[Autumn]

Gotham City Murder Poll

Kill Lathum - Abe (1330), mckerney (1355), chubby (1450), Tyrith (1462), zinto (1489)

[Lathum]

looks like you have all been duped by Abe.

peace out

[hoopsguy]

And throw me on the "Murder Lathum" train.
VOTE JOKER KILL LATHUM

[Thomkal]

Your not even going to try to fight for yourself Lathum? If you don't believe Abe's reveal then go find something in his posts/votes to make us believe it with you.

[Chief Rum]

[quote=hoopsguy;24805437.) I don't think Chief Rum plays "no lynch" as wolf on Day 1 and then misses a pair of votes. Just don't see this, no matter what else is going on with his personal life.[/QUOTE]

FTR, I only missed the one vote on Day Two. Don't know if that changes your impression. I voted for Dzillafor normal lynch on Day Three (and ignored The Joker's game as a result), and mauboy1 in the Joker's game on Day Two (The vote I missed was the normal lynch on Day 2). You already noted my Day One vote.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

7.) I don't think Chief Rum plays "no lynch" as wolf on Day 1 and then misses a pair of votes. Just don't see this, no matter what else is going on with his personal life.

FTR, I only missed the one vote on Day Two. Don't know if that changes your impression. I voted for Dzilla for normal lynch on Day Three (and ignored The Joker's game as a result), and mauboy1 in the Joker's game on Day Two (The vote I missed was the normal lynch on Day 2). You already noted my Day One vote.

This post is re-posted to better set out hoops' quote

[Abe Sargent]

, Man, you are such a post=whore, CR!!!

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

, Man, you are such a post=whore, CR!!!

Why, yes. Yes, I am.

[CrimsonFox]

And lo...the Joker rode through town on his horse shouting "The British are coming! The British are coming!" not ONLY to warn the citizens of Gotham, but to warn the British that were already there "Hey, MAN, you are not going to take away our bombs of green and purple smoke! That's my 2nd amendment right!"

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Danny

You guys do realize that when I am killed, CrimsonFox enters the game as Harley Quinn. Do you really want that?

spandex onesies give me heatrash. But hey whatever!

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so here is my somewhat moving analysis of what might have taken place on Day 1.

Zinto was a wolf, and we did get lucky having two of them in the line of fire early on in the game. Lathum introduced him as a candidate, and two of the next three voters were known goods at this point. The remaining Zinto voter, NTN, was targeted for votes by both mauboy and Zinto.

I am not sure that as wolves we would stack our votes onto one candidate. Also you are assuming that instead of either spreading the voting out or trying to get someone that was not a wolf become a candidate that the wolves let two of them become the top two candidates.

[Coffee Warlord]

I am Mr Freeze!

[hoopsguy]

Zinto, I don't think the wolves dictated either you or mauboy as candidates - I initially did think that the wolves orchestrated you (as a villager) to run off against mauboy, but looking at the names on you that no longer makes any sense.

I tend to hate "unified theory of everything" type stuff for identifying wolves (they are almost always wrong), and this tilts a little more towards that then I would like. But I'm not trying to get every wolf here - just trying to figure out where they would have put their votes on Day 1. And the idea of "spread them all out" doesn't seem to work for me because I know there weren't any wolves on bhlloy (me, Narc, and JAG were people on him) and I'm starting to wonder if any wolves were on you.

If they weren't on two of the four leading candidates, then where did they hide? And why did they want to group together? My first thought was that NTN was a wolf, but mauboy picked a vote on him over MrBug. And you joined him on NTN ... so that is where I started re-visiting my assumptions about you = villager.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I am not sure that as wolves we would stack our votes onto one candidate. Also you are assuming that instead of either spreading the voting out or trying to get someone that was not a wolf become a candidate that the wolves let two of them become the top two candidates.

It isn't always that easy for the wolves to control. If you and mauboy were wolves, then you did try to do this with NTN.

If you aren't a wolf, then you have to pretty much believe that either Lathum or NTN are the wolf/wolves on you. Because they wouldn't want mauboy to run away and hide the way he threatened to do with the Day 1 voting a couple of different times.

I don't know for sure, but I still mostly trust the folks who voted for you + Joker. So the other option would be to sift through the mauboy voters from Day 1, but realistically how many wolves would be burying their votes in a race that close? My best guess there would be MrBug, who has done early votes on wolves in the past and wasn't picked by Mauboy as a runoff candidate. But I still think that is a lower percentage play unless we find that you are a wolf ... then I think that opens things up for there to be 2+ wolves picking mauboy D1 in an effort to gain favor later in the game.

[Chubby]

home and caught up, of course this means I only have discussion up til now to make my final decision with.

I think I had a run in with zinto earlier but can't find the post right now and I am agreeing with hoops' analysis so I'm hoping my read on hoops turns out correct.

unvote no lynch
vote zinto

[MrBug708]

vote - Zinto

Joker Vote - lynch Lathum

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Zinto, I don't think the wolves dictated either you or mauboy as candidates - I initially did think that the wolves orchestrated you (as a villager) to run off against mauboy, but looking at the names on you that no longer makes any sense.

Well if you believe that we are both wolves then yes I would agree with this but what I am saying is that there was no divergence from Mau and I until the late Danny roll. What I am saying is that makes close to no sense why would Mau place a vote so close to mine. I guess I just do not see it.

I would like to hear your analysis on why the people on Danny are not good choices with something a little more concrete then a gut feeling alo.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I think I had a run in with zinto earlier but can't find the post right now and I am agreeing with hoops' analysis so I'm hoping my read on hoops turns out correct.

I am pretty sure we have not had any sort of interaction so far this game. At least not that I can remember.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I am pretty sure we have not had any sort of interaction so far this game. At least not that I can remember.

i could be confusing you and dzilla which could be why I can't find the post.

With, checks watch, 2 minutes left on my break and food still to eat I simply won't be able to find it if it did happen.

I'll be heading back to work in a minute and there's 0% chance i'll be online until after the deadline as my store doesn't close til 10pm and we're supposed to stay open 10 mins after that for stragglers.

[Danny]

Unvote Danny

[Danny]

You guys were so boring I fell asleep and took a nap

[J23]

We never learned what Mau's abilities were, correct? I think it is possible that Mau's vote counted more than once or something along those lines, which could have made the wolves less worried about voting for him, so I'm not sure the assumption that the wolves were worried about the close vote on day1 is correct.

[Danny]

At least there is some action now!

Vote Zinto

[J23]

Lynch Lathum
As I said over the weekend, I buy Abe's pseudo-reveal. I'm a lot less sold on Lathum's reveal given how absent he's seemed most of the game, but it's an easy choice which role is more important.

Vote Thomkal
I think that more than 1 wolf was probably on Danny on day1 given how easy it would have been to explain a vote on him for acting crazy. Of those on him, I think Thomkal is the most likely mobster.

[Abe Sargent]

I just did a search and read every one of Zinto's posts for this game. What I saw was a very consistent set of positions that have generally helped the citizens of Gotham. Is it possible for a mobbie to hide here? Sure. I suspect yes. But we have many such people that have been generally helpful - hoopsguy, Zinto, Thomkal, Chubby - how do you choose one from this list and not another?

[Danny]

Awww, what happened to the Zinto runaway?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by J23

We never learned what Mau's abilities were, correct? I think it is possible that Mau's vote counted more than once or something along those lines, which could have made the wolves less worried about voting for him, so I'm not sure the assumption that the wolves were worried about the close vote on day1 is correct.

Wait...what? I don't get this.

You think it's possible that mau's vote counted twice?

So on day one the wolves didn't vote for him? Why not? How would they know? I don;t get this train of thought. Walk me through it.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Danny

Awww, what happened to the Zinto runaway?

I know lame right?

[J23]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Wait...what? I don't get this.

You think it's possible that mau's vote counted twice?

So on day one the wolves didn't vote for him? Why not? How would they know? I don;t get this train of thought. Walk me through it.

I'm saying that we might be putting too much weight on people trying to "save" mau on day1. We have no idea what Mau's abilities were (or the other wolves for that matter), but the vote may not have been nearly as close as it looks is my point. I think it's actually more possible that a wolf left a vote on Mau because of it.

Didn't Mau or Bhlloy actually mention a power like this in one of the reveal posts?

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by J23

I'm saying that we might be putting too much weight on people trying to "save" mau on day1. We have no idea what Mau's abilities were (or the other wolves for that matter), but the vote may not have been nearly as close as it looks is my point. I think it's actually more possible that a wolf left a vote on Mau because of it.

Didn't Mau or Bhlloy actually mention a power like this in one of the reveal posts?

Bhlloy had double vote power.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by J23

Lynch Lathum
As I said over the weekend, I buy Abe's pseudo-reveal. I'm a lot less sold on Lathum's reveal given how absent he's seemed most of the game, but it's an easy choice which role is more important.

Vote Thomkal
I think that more than 1 wolf was probably on Danny on day1 given how easy it would have been to explain a vote on him for acting crazy. Of those on him, I think Thomkal is the most likely mobster.

I'm up for putting someone who voted Danny, not sure if he'd be my first choice from the group but he looks like the one who could gain the most traction in voting.

Vote Thomkal

[Darth Vilus]

i know this has all been said before but i believe abe and lathum is goin to get killed. sucks about losing our bodyguard but at least abe can kill the joker now.

And im pro lynch as well, we don't learn anything from voting fopr a no lynch.

Anyways that's my two ents

[Darth Vilus]

Text Kill Lathum

[Tyrith]

I'm much more inclined to vote for Thomkal than for Zinto. Thomkal's voting record is pretty much a bunch of blanks - two votes for Danny, a fairly late text vote for mau (it made it something like 9 to 4 at that point), and a willingness to lynch an assumed villager on day 3. Zinto's votes at least show some more risk. While Thomkal's votes could be those of a villager whose ideas I don't like, they are also an easy way to not leave a trail.

I'm also fairly disinclined to follow hoops at this point, whose own voting record is pretty shoddy - two confirmed good players on days 1 and 3, although his day 2 vote seems pretty okay. Lathum, ironically, is the only person with two lynch votes for confirmed villagers.

[Tyrith]

I'm going to go with my feel choice between the two guys that have multiple votes so far.

VOTE THOMKAL

[Zinto]

I have no idea what to think about Thomkal at this point but I know I am a villager so I guess he has a better chance of being a wolf then me.

Unvote ntn
Vote Thomkal

[Autumn]

Gotham City Evening News

1 NTNdeacon - zinto (1489)
4 Zinto - hoopsguy (1500), chubby (1517), mrbug708 (1518), danny (1525)
3 Thomkal - J23 (1526), mckerney (1533), Tyrith (1537)

[Autumn]

dola

grrr

[Autumn]

Gotham City Breaking News!

4 Zinto - hoopsguy (1500), chubby (1517), mrbug708 (1518), danny (1525)
4 Thomkal - J23 (1526), mckerney (1533), Tyrith (1537), Zinto (1538)

[Autumn]

The Joker's Kill-O-Meter

Kill Lathum - Abe (1330), mckerney (1355), chubby (1450), Tyrith (1462), zinto (1489), hoopsguy (1505), mrbug708 (1518), J23 (1526), darth vilus (1535)

[Danny]

Unvote Zinto
Vote Thomkal

[Autumn]

Just so people know what's up, I may have to get a substitute for NTNdeacon. He hasn't been on the site since Thursday, and hasn't responded yet to my PM this morning. CrimsonFox has volunteered to take his spot if necessary.

I may try to get CF in before deadline, or give NTN until the morning. I'm open to opinions.

[Tyrith]

IMO, replace sooner rather than later, for the sake of the person who is coming into the game.

[Zinto]

I would be fine with Crimson coming in before the deadline.

[Zinto]

But only if we can lynch him as soon as he gets in since he loves being lynched as soon as he starts playing.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by J23

I'm saying that we might be putting too much weight on people trying to "save" mau on day1. We have no idea what Mau's abilities were (or the other wolves for that matter), but the vote may not have been nearly as close as it looks is my point. I think it's actually more possible that a wolf left a vote on Mau because of it.

Didn't Mau or Bhlloy actually mention a power like this in one of the reveal posts?

Ah, ok, gotcha now.

[Danny]

I warned you

[Darth Vilus]

heading out to work now guys. late shift, sucks mcnuggets. Let's see if Abe can nab the joker!