03-20-2011, 08:36 PM | #1501 | |
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What I find a bit funny here is MJFH gets ripped for his "sources" and MBBF commends Duckman for the reporting in his post and then MBBF posts something like this. Without solid sources cited I think we should spend the next two pages ripping MBBF for not telling us who his sources are and not having links. |
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03-20-2011, 08:46 PM | #1502 | |
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Yes, that would be somewhat disappointing but that's suddenly 1 Final Four in 10 years, not 1 every 4. And, of course, college basketball is so cruel that you could be 1 point away from a second Final Four and you would be judged by the fact that you've only been to 1. But you see how these things ebb and flow. Since 1990, Kansas's Final Fours are as follows: 1991, 1993, 2002, 2003, 2008. Yes, that's pretty much one every 4 years. However, there was a long "dry spell", if it can be called that for 10 years between 1993 and 2002. One of those years was Roy Williams's best class ever (1997) and there were a lot of conference championships and conference tourney wins followed by somewhat underwhelming tournament runs. Heck, Bill Self was one year (an Elite Eight) removed from Bradley and Bucknell when he won it in 2008. One cannot judge solely by tournament success as it is so random SI
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03-20-2011, 09:10 PM | #1503 | |
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Yeah, Arkansas fans are backwards enough to think that their second (or third or fourth or fifth) choice is better than their first choice. That sounds about right. |
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03-20-2011, 09:13 PM | #1504 | |
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Go right ahead. I'm posting information for those that are interested. I was right with the Oregon debacle and I'm going to be correct here as well. And I'm not sure who was ripping MJ4H. He's just a fan who's excited about a new lease on life for his favorite team. I personally was ripping the idiotic media members who were circulating planted rumors that had no basis in fact. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 03-20-2011 at 09:19 PM. |
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03-20-2011, 09:19 PM | #1505 | |
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My point is that for these very few superelite programs, winning seasons are a given, NCAA bids are a given, top 4 seeds in the NCAA tournament are a given, each school has different very impressive amazing records to hang their hats on, and its longevity in the tournament over time that separates them. Maybe that's not fair because there is such randomness in the tournament and one bad matchup changes everything, but its how it is. UNC made final fours in 2000 and 2005. In between they had a rough patch. Again I'm not saying the program disappeared, that things were hopeless that whole time, but by the time 2005 rolled around, there was a general feeling "man, its been a little while since we've been there in that last weekend, I feel like there's a little more urgency to make *this* season count to get back there." I know there's ebbs and flows, sometimes they come in bunches, but that 5th year rolls around and I'm getting a antsy to see my team there again. As I said originally, it feels like something's missing. I'm very lucky to have picked a team when I was like 4 years old to root for that gave me so much success that those are my expectations, but that's what they are. |
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So Anderson's agent is being truthful to your sources (define that as you will) that he has told Arkansas "no" on Anderson's behalf... Quote:
...but yet he's the one doing the leaking to get him a new deal? Not sure I follow how that makes sense. |
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03-20-2011, 09:37 PM | #1507 | |
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FWIW, I'm glad you realize that I'm harmless here. And, I really hate inaccurate media reports, as well. That said, based on what I have read, we can't close the book on Anderson quite yet. At the risk of starting up a completely separate storm, I will withhold the latest bits of information on a different candidate (not Bill Self) until I know more. Last edited by MJ4H : 03-20-2011 at 09:37 PM. |
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03-20-2011, 10:24 PM | #1508 |
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Can't quite close the book on Anderson, yet. This is Mike Irwin, sports director at Channel 5 (KFSM).
FAYETTEVILLE--Former Razorback basketball coach Nolan Richardson says he doesn't know if Missouri coach Mike Anderson is negotiating with Arkansas with regard to the Razorbacks' vacant head coaching position. But Richardson says Anderson will likely be occupied for the next couple of days dealing with the death of a close personal friend. Other sources told 5News on Sunday that Anderson's agent had begun talks with Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long. The sources said Long had offered Anderson a five year deal at two million dollars annually and is holding firm to that offer even though the agent, Jimmy Sexton, is asking for a longer contract and a higher amount of annual compensation. A source said that Long is willing to wait a day or two but will move on if the offer is not accepted. That source said that Anderson is expected to accept Long's offer. Story posted 2011.03.20 at 07:59 PM CDT http://www.5newsonline.com/sports/kf...,6779079.story Personally, if the next candidate is who I think it is, I'd rather move on. |
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Jon, it was around the time of the Fab Five, but I don't think they were the initial reason. I played during that time and remember going to college in '88 and had the short shorts. A few years later after a transfer, I was in long shorts, a couple of inches shorter than the shorts are now, I believe. And, I remember being happy about the change because the longer shorts were more comfortable, but I can't remember why the change was made outside of comfort or who made the change first.
It happened to all levels of basketball around the same time, though. Didn't they start selling longer athletic shorts as the normal size around that time as well? Last edited by rjolley : 03-20-2011 at 10:35 PM. |
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Here comes Panerd to the rescue In other news, Ben Howland is a candidate according to an Arkansas rumor |
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03-21-2011, 07:24 AM | #1511 | |
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That's kind of how I remember it, that it sort of just ... happened. Pretty much everywhere at about the same time. Reassuring to see that I'm not the only one who is kind of fuzzy on the details, I appreciate the several replies to my question.
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03-21-2011, 07:24 AM | #1512 |
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Mike Irwin on radio, monday afternoon
1) mike anderson's contract $$$ amount came from 3 independent sources. there is an offer on the table. 2) irwin talked to Nolan over the weekend, nolan playing it very close to the vest. nolan said "IF" mike was interested in UA job, it would be a big decision to step back into the 'good ole boy network' that nolan thought ran himself off. mike needs to ask himself 'do i really want to step into this'. 3) people that dont want mike anderson here are saying "oh we dont have anything against mike, but then he'll be under nolan's influence!" irwin is mad at this saying it's a cheap way to make anderson look toxic when he isn't. 4) the ball is in anderson's court to accept the offer. long isn't just sitting and waiting on anderson, but mike anderson has a few days to decide 5) money is *NOT* the issue. agents always get the best deal. but it's not the money that is an issue. irwin says mike anderson is taking his time because he has to uproot his family, coaches, etc., and weigh the options of dealing with some of these good-ole-boy types. 6) irwin says new problem (in his opinion) is that some fans are seeing flavor-of-the-month club that happens every NCAA tournament, and this years stan heath is buzz williams. irwin yelling you do NOT hire a coach based on them beating syracuse and getting to the sweet 16. did we not learn this lesson with stan heath??? irwin is very scared that the UA might actually go to Buzz as #2 if mike says no... irwin clear that buzz is a flavor of the month that merely took over crean's success and watched a decline. 7) say that UCLA's howland is just to get a raise and concessions from UCLA. doesn't see it as legit, but if it DID happen, a losing season with howland's style (losing 46-48) is worse for the fanbase than having a losing season with an uptempo style (losing 90-92) 8 ) irwin adamant he doesn't know jimmy sexton, hasn't met or talked to jimmy sexton, i am NOT getting info from sexton. 9) SO, the offer is on the table for mike anderson (2million/5years), and we'd know within a few days (or sooner) if mike accepts. |
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By the way, I disagree with the second half of #7. Sounds like Mike is inserting his opinion into an otherwise good report (same with #6, I just think he is right about that).
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03-21-2011, 05:14 PM | #1515 |
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Is there really a rumor Ben Howland would leave UCLA for Arkansas? Nothing against Arkansas basketball, but that would be akin to Bob Stoops leaving Oklahoma to go to Oregon State in football. Why would anyone think (even for a moment) that this rumor is remotely legit?
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03-21-2011, 05:15 PM | #1516 |
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03-21-2011, 05:16 PM | #1517 | |
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Because he expressed interest in the job. It may have been just to get a raise, as Irwin thinks, but it isn't really a rumor that he showed interest. Came from too many different places. Last edited by MJ4H : 03-21-2011 at 05:17 PM. |
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03-21-2011, 05:19 PM | #1518 | |
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Welcome to the unsubstantiated rumors thread. There is an offer on the table for Pat Riley also but he has to talk the NCAA into getting Lebron eligilibility back. Lebron has been yearning to put on a Razorback uniform since he was a child. Last edited by panerd : 03-21-2011 at 05:21 PM. |
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03-21-2011, 05:24 PM | #1519 |
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So are you saying it's untrue or just complaining that I posted it without a source? The source is indeed just message board chatter, but again, it is coming from multiple reputable posters.
And note, that because of your crappy attitude about it, I did not bring it up in this thread (MrBug did). So congratulations on making it a pain to talk about anything here. Last edited by MJ4H : 03-21-2011 at 05:26 PM. |
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I've been hearing the exact opposite from the Mizzou beat guy's reports but would label both his and Irwin's reports as highly biased. So I choose not to post them in this thread. Nah, you have only posted 10-15 Anderson to Arkansas rumors so far in this thread. I know you job is to just get the disinformation out there. Last edited by panerd : 03-21-2011 at 05:28 PM. |
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03-21-2011, 05:30 PM | #1521 | |
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Your choice. Although it might be wise with this thread being filled with Missouri stuff 99% of the time. But just because you choose not to post something doesn't mean everyone else should make the same choice. I for one would like to hear more information from sources that we don't have. Consider this me encouraging you to post that kind of stuff. Last edited by MJ4H : 03-21-2011 at 05:31 PM. |
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03-21-2011, 05:44 PM | #1522 | |
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Just stuff from Mike DeArmond who is a total "love him or hate him" whipping boy of the Mizzou fanbase. KC Star writer. I don't put a lot of credence into anything he says. Basically he doesn't seem to know more than you or I on this. My opinion is that Anderson may not have started the rumors but he is certainly not denying and possibly milking for a bigger payout but I still think that he wouldn't screw over his best friend's two kids and what he has going right now to go back to Arkansas who kind of treated him like shit when things went south with with Nolan Richardson. |
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03-21-2011, 05:55 PM | #1523 | |
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To be fair, a number of coaches have been treated poorly by AD's when fired yet still show loyalty to that school. As a Missouri fan you can recall how poorly Norm was treated on his exit yet that guy still bleeds black and gold. Kansas fired Fambrough twice and that guy still loves Kansas football through and through. I honestly don't think Anderson is headed to Arkansas, but that's because I don't see the attraction of hiring him. Aside from one season at Missouri, he really hasn't done anything at this point. Is he better than Pelphrey? Probably. But I don't know what kind of shape Arkansas is in right now. The Altman situation still throws me for a loop, but I'm guessing that was more AD related though I'd love to hear MJ4H's take on it. |
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03-21-2011, 05:59 PM | #1524 | |
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I think the rumors got started because some people in Arkansas found out that Jeff Long (our AD) was actually going to offer Mike Anderson the job. A lot of people had it in their head that he would just accept it. I don't think, personally, that they were necessarily wrong that he wanted to (based on some things I and others know personally). However, what actually happened was two-fold: 1) Long offered the contract because he felt like he had to. There was enormous pressure on him to do so. I don't think Anderson is anywhere near the top of his list. So, Long apparently "low-balled" Anderson with the contract offer (not necessarily the amount, which I understand was the same as his current Mizzou renegotiation offer, but the length, which was 5 years, compared to 7 for the Mizzou offer). Then Long sat back and said take it or leave it. The idea was Long could then say he gave a competitive offer and if Anderson turned it down, fine, he could move on, which he wanted to do anyway. 2) the GOBN that you are referring threw a shit fit about the offer. There is a (thankfully, shrinking" group of powers around here that wouldn't touch Anderson with a 10 ft. pole because of his connections to Nolan. I think the stink raised there has been smelled by some media, and some stories have surfaced about that, recently. All this contributes to what, apparently, is Mike thinking it over a lot more carefully than many thought he would. Some early indications say that he has decided to accept Missouri's renegotiated contract, now. I think that is probably true and probably best for him and for us. I don't think Anderson was really treated badly when he was here after things went south with Nolan. He wasn't given much shot at the job, but he also hadn't done much to earn it at the time. Of course, the group that wanted nothing to do with him was in full power at the time, too, so it was never going to happen, anyway. So anyway, those first rumors that I posted a few days back apparently sprang up when some people that are connected got wind that Long was capitulating and deciding to make an offer to Anderson. Things just took a big giant dump on the process since then. That's my theory anyway, based on a lot of reading and snooping. |
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The Altman situation was basically two things: 1) Hiding all of our skeletons in the closet before he was hired (team had no discipline, nobody was academically eligible, players were failing drug tests, you name it) and then dumping them on him after he had agreed. 2) Agreeing before he was hired to let him enact his own plan for the team and then saying he couldn't bring his people in or do x y z after he had been hired. Basically it was because our AD was senile, our team had been destroyed by Stan Heath, and our Chancellor was one of the biggest screwups I can possibly imagine at the time. When we finally got rid of Broyles and Chancellor White, the program turned around for the better 100%. And as much as it seems I didn't like John Pelphrey as a coach, I loved him as everything else. He absolutely turned our program around. And he accepted what was 100% a crappy job at the time (which is why we couldn't hire anyone) and did his best with it. This job is way better than it was when he took it over, and not just because the administration is different. And Pelphrey was a heck of a good guy, too. I wish that he could've won more because he's the kind of person one can be proud of to have as a coach of their team. He just wasn't the kind of coach one can be proud of. |
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03-21-2011, 06:08 PM | #1526 |
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Pelphrey's name surface in Knoxville before it's all said & done.
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Thanks MJ4H. I couldn't remember all the particulars, but I figured it was something to do with the leadership at the time. Sounds like that situation has been corrected. Arkansas is a good basketball job which shocked me when Altman turned it down last time. |
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I doubt Howland has expressed interest in teh job, but I think he would listen if Arkansas came calling. But he won't leave because he would be too stubborn to leave UCLA. |
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Good to see the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporting information a day or two after I posted it on this board.
Mizzou likes Mike, prepares deal to keep him I actually feel somewhat bad for the Arkansas fans in this situation. They were sold a bill of goods by UA alumni and media who thought they knew what was going on when they didn't have a clue. There wasn't a lick of interest by Anderson. Welcome to the business of college athletics. |
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Up until this point I was 100% certain that Anderson was staying at Missouri. Now after the Big Ten fiasco and MBBF's jinx history I am about 50/50. |
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Does it really bother you this bad that Anderson may have had some interest in a program that is so "inferior" to Missouri? Honestly, I dont think Arkansas fans are going to lose sleep over it if they find out he had no interest in the program. I wouldnt be surprised if Arkansas can do better than Mike Anderson. |
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Missouri basketball is a better job than Arkansas? Am I in an episode of Sliders?
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I'm still hearing Mike Anderson wants the job and is being slow played by Jeff Long, FWIW.
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But that's totally inconsistent with what MBBF reported here...err...read on a different message board two days ago.
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@miklasz (Bernie Miklasz - St. Louis Dispatch)
Those assuming Mike Anderson is staying at Mizzou are jumping the gun. Could be, yes. But there's a lot going on. and later: miklasz Bernie Miklasz @JeffcoMethco @vgregorian never reported he's staying. He reported attempt to keep him. Huge difference. Last edited by MJ4H : 03-21-2011 at 11:20 PM. |
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And it continues..... Stay tuned
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I might be overstating it too
That being said, I can't imagine the coaching wish list if Anderson were to leave |
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Apparently it wasn't the bump violation that did Pearl in at UT but rather more recent violations involving the pass list for the UK game and a non-NCAA violation (suspected to be a failed drug test for Brian Williams who, let's be honest, looks as though he might have the munchies pretty frequently).
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I'm told the reason he has agreed verbally to the Mizzou contract is because there isn't a concrete offer from Arkansas yet, though he wants one. He agreed to the Mizzou contract because it is the only one he can agree to and it buys him time to wait for Jeff Long, who is slow-playing the crap out of him. A lot of bluffing going on right now. Should be over soon, one way or another. Last edited by MJ4H : 03-22-2011 at 08:05 AM. |
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The biggest connected-guy poster on hogville has basically just said that the efforts to stop Anderson from being our next coach just failed. I would look for officialish stuff to start coming out soon.
If not, someone's reputation will be pretty unsalvageable over there. |
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If UA is smart, they'll let MU put out a 'MA has been signed to an extension' press release and just pretend that they never made an attempt. It would appear that the pretending has already begun if the connected UA posters are already acting like a contract never happened. I know without question that MA was offered a 5 year, $10M contract through his agent. As I mentioned before, they got a polite 'no' and little else. |
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Without question?
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