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Normal transition of power. He meets with Biden, stays until 1/20, comes to inauguration, etc. | 5 | 5.56% | |
He doesn't fight the result, but resigns prior to the inauguration. | 2 | 2.22% | |
He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14") | 30 | 33.33% | |
He fights the result all the way to January 20th. Has to be physically removed. | 12 | 13.33% | |
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up and resigns before the inauguration | 6 | 6.67% | |
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up an then we have a normal transition as per option 1. | 30 | 33.33% | |
Other. (You know you gotta specify this one.) | 5 | 5.56% | |
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01-07-2021, 01:32 PM | #1501 |
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Of course not, but I one hundred percent always operate under the assumption that politicians are doing what’s best for them, not what’s right. He should be removed. But I don’t think the Democrats want him removed.
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In what way will him being removed prevent him from being around to screw up the 22 and 24 primaries?
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01-07-2021, 01:34 PM | #1503 | |
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This is a good point. If these people had planned to do something serious, they could have wiped out most of the legislature easy. I am a little surprised that this isn't a bigger deal. Politicians are grandstanding but we haven't seen anything like this since the Civil War. The head of the Executive branch told his supporters to take out the legislature. Anyone in the cabinet with a shred of dignity should invoke the 25th Amendment. The House and Senate should pass through impeachment and removal immediately. Cruz and Hawley should be expelled. Everyone who entered the Capitol yesterday should be charged with a felony. The issue isn't "it's only 2 weeks, lets ride it out". It's that if you don't stand up, the next time it will be worse. You can't embolden insurrectionists, terrorists, fascists, whatever you want to call them without repercussions. |
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01-07-2021, 01:37 PM | #1504 | |
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They at least want to force a vote of some kind. This is an unbelievable winning strategy for future campaigns. "Hawley supported Trump's coup... can you trust him in the White House?"
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01-07-2021, 01:38 PM | #1505 |
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My cousin just posted that limiting mail-in ballots will solve everything b/c then people will have faith that elections are fair.
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01-07-2021, 01:38 PM | #1506 |
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While Ben brings up a good point, I'm comforted knowing that Trump couldn't possibly win in 2016 and the GOP couldn't possibly survive in 2020. Pelosi clearly understands electoral politics.
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01-07-2021, 01:38 PM | #1507 |
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That’s a fair point. I would just think they want the chaos of him actually running in 2024. Because if he is not impeached and banned, you know he will start running like three weeks from now.
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01-07-2021, 01:41 PM | #1508 |
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Him being impeached doesn't stop him from running in 2024.
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01-07-2021, 01:43 PM | #1510 | |
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I agree with all of this except impeachment, because there just isn't time to do impeachment properly. The 25th should be invoked and he should be removed that way, arrests and charges made, all the rest of it, and setting the precedent to 'just let it go' is wrong also. |
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01-07-2021, 01:55 PM | #1511 |
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I should point out that protesters at Trump's inauguration were rounded up and arrested by the hundreds. They charged many with conspiracy and other crimes because they were in the vicinity of where some windows were broken. This included journalists and a couple nurses who stopped to help. They faced over 60 years in prison for this.
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Yes, this is the only reason I see to consider impeachment, given the timing. If they can continue the process even after he is out of office, and ban him from office, that would be a useful outcome. Let him go start his news channel or whatever. It's a useful outcome to the Republicans at least, so you would think they might consider it. Otherwise, they continue to have to negotiate with this guy and his followers. |
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01-07-2021, 02:12 PM | #1521 |
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01-07-2021, 02:20 PM | #1523 | |
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I think there' a lot of truth to that, but it ignores the effect of letting Trump' base have a collective tent to take political shelter & identity under for four more uninterrupted years.
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Not sure about that. We just saw how Trumpism without Trump doesn't bring out the same turnout. While Trurmp may still lose in 2024, those low propensity voters can help the GOP in Congressional races just like in 2020. If he can't run, whoever he supports will still be tainted by Trump association, but the party won't have the same turnout benefit.
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01-07-2021, 02:21 PM | #1525 |
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Bah, if he's banned he just runs Ivanka.
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I can't see how anyone who was around in 2016 can say well if Trump runs he'll just sow chaos and lose big.
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Yeah, especially if Biden can't run again due to age. Can Harris beat him? We need to get rid of Trump so he can't ever win again because then he'll never leave.
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So we are giving the terrorists the benefit of the doubt as to whether it was a coup or not? JFC.
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Republicans will probably do well in the midterms because the opposition party usually does. Plus the Democrats hate having power and will do jack shit for the next 2 years. He has backed candidates before and it hasn't mattered. And in 4 years he'll be 77. At his weight and with his mental decline, you could be dealing with a whole different person. |
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I think if the Dems think having Trump out there in the field helps them, they're even dumber than I thought and I don't have a high opinion with them to begin with, especially right now. You impeach him now, especially if you have the Senate votes to convict because it also fractures the GOP. But that's precisely why they aren't doing it because they know they won't get the votes in the Senate and they're having to instead beg for the 25th to be used by a VP Pence who isn't going to do it. So, they can look weak and ineffective with impeachment or weak and ineffective with the 25th begging. And we're all going to be running out the clock, praying Trump, the man with loyal followers all over the military and media and a nuclear football doesn't do something stupid or just sit idly by while our enemies do something awful. SI
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And as if on cue. We can't have too many black people voting in Georgia:
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Trump is a cult of personality. There won't be anyone else to take his place in the eyes of his followers ... not Cruz, not Ivanka, not Don Jr etc.
But that is not to say he can't do any damage after 2020. He will influence many of the races in 2022 and if able to, he will run in 2024. But unlike some that says let's impeach him and stop him from running in 2024, I have more faith in the American public. Trump is an aberration, he won't win in 2024 with the one key assumption that Biden/Kamala presidency isn't a total mess. |
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Also none of these decisions should be based on 2022 or 2024. You impeach him because he committed crimes and is a threat to the country.
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This is a start. I still think they should be disbanded and taken over by Secret Service. Need a deep investigation into those who worked with the insurrectionists.
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I do think there needs to be some sort of communication program leading up to the next election basically saying here's what's going to happen, here are the checks and balances, here's everyone that will be watching the counting, here's how the mail in are secured, here's the audit trail etc. Some will still be unconvinced but it will help. |
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This broke me. I can't stop laughing at this (edit of a video posted a few pages ago)
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It is *always* my position that our leaders should do what's right, consequences be damned. But that's not the real world. I'm just saying that I'm not convinced that Pelosi truly wants him impeached, removed, and banned from running.
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Yes it is quite tiresome. What we need to do is drop the 82nd airborne into the northern Michigan peninsula and any other white supremacist havens and wipe them the fuck out. Otherwise in a few hundred years this time will be viewed in history same as 376 AD in Rome. Last edited by Galaril : 01-07-2021 at 02:58 PM. |
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