Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS) - Page 32

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 10:43 AM

Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

RendeR · 06-12-2009, 10:43 AM

wow, now thats a CoT of 5. Controlling interest anyone? =)

Lathum · 06-12-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Everything out of Lathum's mouth is crap.

you've been extra venomous towards me this game

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 10:44 AM

Good list, Jackal, thanks.

Passacaglia · 06-12-2009, 10:44 AM

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

Lathum · 06-12-2009, 10:44 AM

Wolves, I was blocked last night attempting to kill CR, you should have a free kill on him tonight barring any unseen roll/ mechanic.

hoopsguy · 06-12-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Everything out of Lathum's mouth is crap.

Lynch Lathum

This is kind of surreal for me, watching people react this way to another player.

OK, back to being dead.

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

I was only quoting Chief's list, that's all.

USFLTecmo · 06-12-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

I wish I had time for this at the moment, but can we get voting records on the eight listed here? It might point us towards someone else that looks off.

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Hah, I am good at this after all. I had you pegged, Chief. Thanks for the boost to my self confidence.

I was pretty sure you knew. I actually dropped a ton of hints. I thought the wolves would come after me last night.

I was also pretty sure Lathum would come after me.

Clearly, the BG made a good guess, too. Although that's a bit of a quandary now. I can't be protected tonight.

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

BK gets some suspicion for having been "cleared" by Lathum the fake seer, though that doesn't mean much. Saldana and SnDvls have been on my radar the whole game but I don't have anything new or that telling to say there. USFL was the quiet guy Tyrith pointed us towards instead of SnDvls which makes me feel slightly better about him. Lerriuqs seems to be encouraging us this morning not to have a runaway on Lathum which could be a wolf ploy to hope to fix the vote at the end. That's all I have at first thought.

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

So, chief's list with some revisions (and including him)

Strong Trust

Chief Rum
Pass
Abe
Autumn
Path12

Mild trust

Render, SnDvls

No lean either way

lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal

Mild distrust

Barkeep, saldana

Strong distrust

Lathum

Yeah, that's probably a good revision.

BK I am a little torn on. It depends on how you read Lathum's actions. On Day One, he came out hard on BK, and then did the turnaround on Day Two. The suggestion is he read BK as a wolf with his first scan.

But then would Lathum have even brought up BK in his lie reveal if that were true? He knew from the second he revealed that he would be found out, and his "scans" parsed in the aftermath. So if BK is really a wolf, why put the target on him? And that's on top of BK making what would be the odd move in nominating Schmidty right away.

So I am leaning against voting BK at the moment, actually. Maybe put him in a TBD department.

saldana's a good choice.

The Jackal · 06-12-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

i guess this is only for CR since autumn just copied the list but i'm curious about this too

lerriuqs · 06-12-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

BK gets some suspicion for having been "cleared" by Lathum the fake seer, though that doesn't mean much. Saldana and SnDvls have been on my radar the whole game but I don't have anything new or that telling to say there. USFL was the quiet guy Tyrith pointed us towards instead of SnDvls which makes me feel slightly better about him. Lerriuqs seems to be encouraging us this morning not to have a runaway on Lathum which could be a wolf ploy to hope to fix the vote at the end. That's all I have at first thought.

Fix the vote how? We know Lathum is bad - how is trying to create some other options to avoid this becoming another useless day (as far as voting records are concerned) a "wolf ploy"?

SnDvls · 06-12-2009, 10:52 AM

vote jail lathum

he's just stiring up trouble, but we could use his numbers later on if needed. Pass can always off him in jail if needed too and we'd still get a lynch vote with Pass offing him in jail.

KWhit · 06-12-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

All right, it's time.

I am Crystal Oculo. My apologies to KWhit for letting him hang. I didn't feel it was right to coem out then.

I haven't been a particularly great seer, since I haven't found a wolf. But with the BG still around, and a shrinking pool of probably three wolves, it seems to be the right time to set up an official CoT.

My results today, and the wolves' kill target allowed two more uncleareds to come off of the list, and I think that gives us a lot to work with.

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

FTR, I think we need to lynch Lathum today to be certain he is the Cultist. If he is not, we cannot trust the above scans quite yet. But I am pretty sure Lathum is the Cultist. His block reference pretty much clears any remaining doubt, as we know the wolves weren't blocked last night.

You couldn't have done this one day earlier?

Bah!

Passacaglia · 06-12-2009, 10:55 AM

Could Lathum have changed position on BK because he knew that BK was a wolf, and the wolves would not kill him if he turned in this way -- accusing a wolf, then changing his tune to thinking he was good? This way, he tips his hat that he's the seer to villagers, but the wolves wouldn't really think that's possible?

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

vote jail lathum

he's just stiring up trouble, but we could use his numbers later on if needed. Pass can always off him in jail if needed too and we'd still get a lynch vote with Pass offing him in jail.

This doesn't save us any time as we still have to vote to jail him. In addition, we don't know what his hidden conversion mechanic is, he may already be converted.

SnDvls · 06-12-2009, 10:57 AM

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)

Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Fix the vote how? We know Lathum is bad - how is trying to create some other options to avoid this becoming another useless day (as far as voting records are concerned) a "wolf ploy"?

I'm not saying it definitely is.

But on a day where we have a known bad guy on the block, introducing any other votes makes it possible that somehow or other we don't manage to vote Lathum out today. A voting record of a known bad guy against a new target isn't going to help us much, but it introduces the possibolity that Lathum escapes justice.

SnDvls · 06-12-2009, 10:57 AM

damn...let me fix that

lerriuqs · 06-12-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

This doesn't save us any time as we still have to vote to jail him. In addition, we don't know what his hidden conversion mechanic is, he may already be converted.

If he was blocked - he's not converted as per the rules. If he was converted and then blocked, he'd be dead.

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

For Render, it is largely his continued support of jailing even yesterday. KWhit was jail supporter #1, but Render was right there. Plus, I have a good vibe off his play.

With SnDvls, it's mostly been vibe. He has made the same reads on things I have, which hints that he's looking at it from the same perspective, and since I'm the seer, I figure that's a good thing.

Plus, I thought he was unfairly targeted early on, and there wasn't a lot of support fighting him off as a target when that happened, as there would have been with four wolves around.

BTW, my assumption is four wolves to start the game. So adjust that number to whatever you feel meshes with your view.

RendeR · 06-12-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

You couldn't have done this one day earlier?

Bah!

Ok this made me snort pepsi...

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:01 AM

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:01 AM

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

SnDvls · 06-12-2009, 11:02 AM

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)

Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Could Lathum have changed position on BK because he knew that BK was a wolf, and the wolves would not kill him if he turned in this way -- accusing a wolf, then changing his tune to thinking he was good? This way, he tips his hat that he's the seer to villagers, but the wolves wouldn't really think that's possible?

Only thing is he didn't start the game knowing any wolves. He wouldn't have known BK was a wolf on Day One, when he came after him strongest.

lerriuqs · 06-12-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

Why would he BS about that? He's the cultist, he wants the wolves to win. If they get the seer today, it's a huge help - he doesn't have to lie about that and the BG doesn't have to show regardless.

lerriuqs · 06-12-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm not saying it definitely is.

But on a day where we have a known bad guy on the block, introducing any other votes makes it possible that somehow or other we don't manage to vote Lathum out today. A voting record of a known bad guy against a new target isn't going to help us much, but it introduces the possibolity that Lathum escapes justice.

Except Lathum isn't an unknown, we can always get him tomorrow. But if some late shenanigans happen, you get a helluva lot more information than from a runaway.

Passacaglia · 06-12-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Only thing is he didn't start the game knowing any wolves. He wouldn't have known BK was a wolf on Day One, when he came after him strongest.

I think if his plan was to scan him N1, and he was a villager, he would just keep attacking, instead of backing off. Although, looking at the vote log, did he really vote BK on D2?

SnDvls · 06-12-2009, 11:07 AM

this list is w/ CR's list added COT FYI

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168)
Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108)
Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194)
DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126)

Day 4 Final Vote Count:

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Why would he BS about that? He's the cultist, he wants the wolves to win. If they get the seer today, it's a huge help - he doesn't have to lie about that and the BG doesn't have to show regardless.

Frankly I'm not going to claim to be able to think as deviously as Lathum. So, I'm not sure. But I think it's possible he's just trying to mislead us more. If he doesn't have a night kill or conversion ability yet he may fake it just to freak us out. Perhaps he's simply trying to keep us from leaving him alone and lynching a wolf instead. I just don't want to operate on any basis htat starts with the assumption "What Lathum said was correct."

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think if his plan was to scan him N1, and he was a villager, he would just keep attacking, instead of backing off. Although, looking at the vote log, did he really vote BK on D2?

He did but he said it was because he wanted him to get King scanned so we could make him the second king.

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail.

In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

I lean towards BS myself. With Pass out there, and the prison, it wouldn't have made much sense for the BG to protect me last night (someone he wasn't sure his allegiance).

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:09 AM

SnDvls, Path should be marked in blue as well.

Passacaglia · 06-12-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

He did but he said it was because he wanted him to get King scanned so we could make him the second king.

Gotcha. FTR, it looks like he also voted to lynch KWhit later in the day, but forgot to unvote.

Passacaglia · 06-12-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I lean towards BS myself. With Pass out there, and the prison, it wouldn't have made much sense for the BG to protect me last night (someone he wasn't sure his allegiance).

Also, the good news is that if I'm killed, you'll absolutely know I'm a villager, and therefore you'll be 100% sure that Abe is good.

SnDvls · 06-12-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

SnDvls, Path should be marked in blue as well.

missed him on day 2, but got him on the other days

Lathum · 06-12-2009, 11:12 AM

well, I have to go fix a toilet seat. have fun!

SnDvls · 06-12-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

well, I have to go fix a toilet seat. have fun!

you can flush yourself down it wolf wanna be

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:15 AM

BK's allegiance is the only one that unlocks a lot of voting information, so I'd be likely to vote for him tomorrow I think.

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Why would he BS about that? He's the cultist, he wants the wolves to win. If they get the seer today, it's a huge help - he doesn't have to lie about that and the BG doesn't have to show regardless.

You're right though, it wouldn't make sense for Lathum to mislead the wolves. Assuming he's a cultist. If he's a wolf he may simply be playing the cultist card to entice us into leaving him around.

Autumn · 06-12-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think if his plan was to scan him N1, and he was a villager, he would just keep attacking, instead of backing off. Although, looking at the vote log, did he really vote BK on D2?

It's a good point. I think it casts enough suspicion on BK that we should scan or lynch him and find out.

RendeR · 06-12-2009, 11:24 AM

Is there really any good reason to keep him alive?

From what I can see he counts as a villager, so jailing him does give us a +1 towards winning if we keep him around till later.

As the cultist, if thats what he really is, he's a conversion prospect, but we don't know exactly HOW that works.

We know he's a darkfriend, but what real damage can he do at this point?

I'm torn between lynching (75%) and jailing (25%)

Barkeep49 · 06-12-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

you've been extra venomous towards me this game

Day 1 I was playing an aggressive game trying to get scanned. And to think I thought it worked. Now it's just I want to be clear about the fact that we shouldn't listen to you.

Chief Rum · 06-12-2009, 11:30 AM

I have to get some work done, so I am checking out for a bit. I'll be back later.

path12 · 06-12-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

at least we know we can lynch lathum happily.

That always is kind of a nice thing.

USFLTecmo · 06-12-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Is there really any good reason to keep him alive?

From what I can see he counts as a villager, so jailing him does give us a +1 towards winning if we keep him around till later.

As the cultist, if thats what he really is, he's a conversion prospect, but we don't know exactly HOW that works.

We know he's a darkfriend, but what real damage can he do at this point?

I'm torn between lynching (75%) and jailing (25%)

There's some way the cultist can do a night kill, which means we're losing a "villager" one way or the other, if he's able to execute it at any point. I'd rather it be one that wants us to lose rather than one of the rest of us.

path12 · 06-12-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You say something about path?

That happens more than you'd think. I always notice it.

06-12-2009, 10:43 AM	#1551
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Our wolves must be among the following: BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-12-2009, 10:43 AM	#1552
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	wow, now thats a CoT of 5. Controlling interest anyone? =) __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-12-2009, 11:24 AM	#1595
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Is there really any good reason to keep him alive? From what I can see he counts as a villager, so jailing him does give us a +1 towards winning if we keep him around till later. As the cultist, if thats what he really is, he's a conversion prospect, but we don't know exactly HOW that works. We know he's a darkfriend, but what real damage can he do at this point? I'm torn between lynching (75%) and jailing (25%) __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-12-2009, 11:30 AM	#1597
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I have to get some work done, so I am checking out for a bit. I'll be back later. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-12-2009, 10:44 AM	#1554
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Good list, Jackal, thanks.

06-12-2009, 10:44 AM	#1555
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Autumn and CR -- can you guys explain your mild trust of RendeR and SnDvls? It strikes me as odd that you both have those two in that category.

06-12-2009, 10:44 AM	#1556
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Wolves, I was blocked last night attempting to kill CR, you should have a free kill on him tonight barring any unseen roll/ mechanic.

06-12-2009, 10:52 AM	#1565
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	vote jail lathum he's just stiring up trouble, but we could use his numbers later on if needed. Pass can always off him in jail if needed too and we'd still get a lynch vote with Pass offing him in jail.

06-12-2009, 10:55 AM	#1567
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Could Lathum have changed position on BK because he knew that BK was a wolf, and the wolves would not kill him if he turned in this way -- accusing a wolf, then changing his tune to thinking he was good? This way, he tips his hat that he's the seer to villagers, but the wolves wouldn't really think that's possible?

06-12-2009, 10:57 AM	#1569
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Final Day 1 Vote Count: Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395) BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369) KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320) KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298) Day 2 Final Vote Count: Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666) BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547) Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698) Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783) USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558) KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656) Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736) Final Day 3 Vote Count: Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168) Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108) Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194) DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126) Day 4 Final Vote Count: KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440) Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

06-12-2009, 10:57 AM	#1571
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	damn...let me fix that

06-12-2009, 11:01 AM	#1575
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail. In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

06-12-2009, 11:01 AM	#1576
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Lerriuqs, I believe we don't know what his conversion mechanic is once the Dark One is gone. It may be something that can still be fulfilled even if he's sent to jail. In addition, we don't know that he was really blocked, that could be more BS. Notice he didn't reveal who his target was until after CR revealed.

06-12-2009, 11:02 AM	#1577
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Final Day 1 Vote Count: Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395) BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369) KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320) KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298) Day 2 Final Vote Count: Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666) BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547) Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698) Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783) USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558) KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656) Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736) Final Day 3 Vote Count: Abe Jail - 6 - RendeR (1056), CR (1060), Jackal (1063), lerriuqs (1065), KWhit (1095), DT (1168) Abe Lynch - 4 - Path (1042), Martin (1045), USFLTecmo (1074), BK (1108) Autumn Lynch - 4 - SnDvls (1050), Lathum (1077), Saldana (1178), Pass (1194) DaddyTorgo Jail - 3 - Autumn (1087), Abe (1112), Telle (1126) Day 4 Final Vote Count: KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440) Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380)

06-12-2009, 11:09 AM	#1586
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	SnDvls, Path should be marked in blue as well.

06-12-2009, 11:12 AM	#1590
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	well, I have to go fix a toilet seat. have fun!

06-12-2009, 11:15 AM	#1592
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	BK's allegiance is the only one that unlocks a lot of voting information, so I'd be likely to vote for him tomorrow I think.

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