Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

See the WW ethics thread. I never lie about RL availability and have a long history of stating how I'm at work on Thursday nights.

I've read that thread and so I'm tempted to believe you. It certainly woudl piss me off to no end for it to be a lie after you've said this. I don't know you, so I'll presume you're not lying.

I find it straining the capacity of my brain cells though to think that at this point in the game any consul would not submit a provisional order early in the day. We have had some excuse every single day for not making two arrests. It's looking like we're going to have to chalk this game up to bumbling moves and missing players.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Didn't learn your lesson from my Necromancer game, eh?

Although have we got anything that 100% validates that the "senators" are not Tarqs? I'm certainly working under that assumption. Did your PM make it absolutely clear that you murdered a Roman and not a Tarq?

I didn't get a PM of any sort about it. So it's theoretically possible that I got a Tarq, I really don't know.

And dammit, the Necro game I second guessed myself and blew it. This time I didn't second guess myself...and possibly blew it.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I'd buy this tactic even more if I didn't already suspect Neon. There seems to be no doubt that the traitors are killing off lawyers to get control of them. It's possible they have both slots now, if so, we're in trouble.

Can you explain why you think Neon is a bad guy? You mentioned it earlier and again now.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by KWhit

We do?!?!?

What did I miss?

Ironus Headus posted that he had the services of the philosopher, and described them. It sounds like you send the philosopher to another member to "convince them of your views." Schmidtyus thought this was a means of vouching for yourself and so sent him to Hoopyus.

I'm presuming it has no effect in the hands of a loyal Senator, but in the hands of a traitor would make a conversion.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I've read that thread and so I'm tempted to believe you. It certainly woudl piss me off to no end for it to be a lie after you've said this. I don't know you, so I'll presume you're not lying.

I find it straining the capacity of my brain cells though to think that at this point in the game any consul would not submit a provisional order early in the day. We have had some excuse every single day for not making two arrests. It's looking like we're going to have to chalk this game up to bumbling moves and missing players.

Are you joking? After yesterday the last thing I wanted to do was send in a provisional order early in the day. The library I work at has triple T3s, from two different providers. The fact that we were off the internet means that there is some kind of major problem. In frankly never occurred to me that I wouldn't be online tonight.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by KWhit

It is a PM vote.

My point was why in the world would I tell everyone that I was gonna vote for LSG and then not do it. And yet LSG gets arrested anyway.

Doesn't make sense...

But it IS a PM arrest (just to be clear).

Man, if you are a Tarquin, and let's say Barkeep voted for LSG and you simply didn't vote, yet claimed you did, it would make perfect sense. However Barkeep says that he missed his vote so that throws that theory in the toilet. That is why I was hot and bothered by the last vote. I didn't know who was telling the truth. Because you could post one thing and decide not to do anything or even vote for the same person. Vote throwing in my conspiratorial 2 cents.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Ironus Headus posted that he had the services of the philosopher, and described them. It sounds like you send the philosopher to another member to "convince them of your views." Schmidtyus thought this was a means of vouching for yourself and so sent him to Hoopyus.

I'm presuming it has no effect in the hands of a loyal Senator, but in the hands of a traitor would make a conversion.

I read what Schmidty and Hoops said about it, but I didn't reach the same conclusions you did.

Hmmmm..... I don't know if that's what that means or not.... Other opinions?

[Autumn]

So far it seems to me we've cleared a number of people through scans, and that's about all we've accomplished. One of those is dead by poison, we've executed two people we are fairly sure were innocent, another person is dead by poison and therefore presumably was loyal. Two are dead by sword. One we presume to be loyal since no loyal Senator claimed credit, the other one is in dispute.

Meanwhile we have not managed to kill a traitor, or even identify one. I find it likely that at least one major role has been snagged by a traitor, and that the traitors have possibly risen in the wealth ratings while we stumbled around.

I also suspect we've arrested an innocent Senator yet again, and therefore have little likelihood of making a kill tomorrow.

I can only wait and see what other services people won and used. And hope that if one of the Loyal Senators purchased the sellsword's service, that they use it on one of the presumed traitors as things become clear.

[hoopsguy]

Let me try to give more detail about Senna without a direct quote.

Senna was writing a book and wanted to get my views on the Republic. I did not find him to be particularly engaging and we ended our conversation.

I'm going to be extremely concerned if there is a regular (every other day or more?) option for him to convert.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Are you joking? After yesterday the last thing I wanted to do was send in a provisional order early in the day. The library I work at has triple T3s, from two different providers. The fact that we were off the internet means that there is some kind of major problem. In frankly never occurred to me that I wouldn't be online tonight.

Joking? We've missed arrests every day for one reason or another. I would think that ultra extreme caution would be utilized. Future consuls - please send in a provisional (not a conditional) arrest order immediately!

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Let me try to give more detail about Senna without a direct quote.

Senna was writing a book and wanted to get my views on the Republic. I did not find him to be particularly engaging and we ended our conversation.

How strange. That is very vague.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Let me try to give more detail about Senna without a direct quote.

Senna was writing a book and wanted to get my views on the Republic. I did not find him to be particularly engaging and we ended our conversation.

I'm going to be extremely concerned if there is a regular (every other day or more?) option for him to convert.

Hmm, not very clear. Ironhead, can we get a description from you again?

And can the lawyers confirm that they got no report on the loyalty of Saldanus?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I'd buy this tactic even more if I didn't already suspect Neon. There seems to be no doubt that the traitors are killing off lawyers to get control of them. It's possible they have both slots now, if so, we're in trouble.

Totally agree about the whole suspicion on N_C thing

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, the answer to who got Macro will come into play tomorrow, not with the results we just saw.

If Pass bid on Macro and didn't get him, wouldn't it have to be one of these people (higher or same wealth bracket?)

Abeus Anxietus
Dodeus Erchickus
Kayus Whitus
Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Mustang

If Pass bid on Macro and didn't get him, wouldn't it have to be one of these people (higher or same wealth bracket?)

Abeus Anxietus
Dodeus Erchickus
Kayus Whitus
Coffeeus Yakus Warlordus
Ironus Headus

Depends on the timing of the suits versus services. At the time the bids were placed only Dodeus Erchickus would have been ahead. ImTheCrew was in the pokey and couldn't place a vote. And Pass had just moved up the list, which makes it unlikely to me that he elevated beyond DC when neither was heavily invested in lawsuits on Day 3.

If the suits are processed prior to purchasing services, then the list you provided would be in play.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Depends on the timing of the suits versus services. At the time the bids were placed only Dodeus Erchickus would have been ahead. ImTheCrew was in the pokey and couldn't place a vote. And Pass had just moved up the list, which makes it unlikely to me that he elevated beyond DC when neither was heavily invested in lawsuits on Day 3.

If the suits are processed prior to purchasing services, then the list you provided would be in play.

But I don't understand Pass's explanation. Why did he receive Maximus? Did he make a mistake in his PM? Is there some hidden mechanic at play?

[Abe Sargent]

I placed a bid on the first legionnaire on teh list. Don't remember his name because I sent my bid in before stcronin chnaged the list, but I told him I wanted the top, first legionnaire, whoever it was. I failed. So someone above me got him.

[Autumn]

Not to mention it's perfectly possible he's lying to cover up a plan to use the sellsword to kill a loyal Senator today.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Depends on the timing of the suits versus services. At the time the bids were placed only Dodeus Erchickus would have been ahead.

So, Dodeus Erchickus has the bid of Macro then?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Not to mention it's perfectly possible he's lying to cover up a plan to use the sellsword to kill a loyal Senator today.

Which is what I'm wondering what is up. If he is that high on the list, there are only a few people that could have Macro which, I'm assuming is some type of killer? But, instead, he has a Legionnaire which, I'm assuming, is some type of bodyguard?

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Not to mention it's perfectly possible he's lying to cover up a plan to use the sellsword to kill a loyal Senator today.

Yeah, I am totally lost when I read his post talking about Furio/Macro/Maximus.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Which is what I'm wondering what is up. If he is that high on the list, there are only a few people that could have Macro which, I'm assuming is some type of killer? But, instead, he has a Legionnaire which, I'm assuming, is some type of bodyguard?

Yes, it's not clear until he writes in again. If he had been outbid, he should have received nothing. So either there was some confusion between he and St.Cronin, he's making this all up to confuse us, or there's some game mechanic coming up that we have not yet seen.

[Grammaticus]

THROW LONUS STARUS GIRIUS TO THE ROCKUS

If she sees that she is going to bungie without a cord, she may talk.

I vote to jail Coffeus Warlordus as he apparently knows Saldana is good from his post stating he made a mistake. Makes no sense that he would state that unless he knows. Without a scan he would have to be a Tarq to know that.

[Mustang]

As a RL note, I will be involved with a disaster recovery exercise with my job tomorrow. It starts at like 6 AM and runs until god knows when so, I very much doubt I will be posting until night time.

[Ironhead]

Just got back. I would like to state the obvious.

The game is turning into one big clusterfuck for the village.

That is all (time to do some analysis).

[Mustang]

Took me 24 hours and my head was spinning but, I think I'm finally into the game. Hard game to get thrust into the middle of...

[Autumn]

I'm done throwing innocent quiet people off the rock. We have succeeded in stealing much of Lonestarus Girlus's money, and that's good enough for me. I want to arrest someone who's actually a traitor tomorrow.

VOTE TO FREE LONESTARUS GIRLUS

I'm going to wait to see what becomes clearer before I suggest my arrests. There sure are plenty of suspects this time.

[Grammaticus]

Yeah Mustang, this game is pretty obscure. It is very difficult to determine what we can do, even at this point in the game.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm done throwing innocent quiet people off the rock. We have succeeded in stealing much of Lonestarus Girlus's money, and that's good enough for me. I want to arrest someone who's actually a traitor tomorrow.

VOTE TO FREE LONESTARUS GIRLUS

I'm going to wait to see what becomes clearer before I suggest my arrests. There sure are plenty of suspects this time.

Of the people who have died, who have we confirmed as either Republican or Tarq?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Of the people who have died, who have we confirmed as either Republican or Tarq?

Everyone is Republican as far as I can determine. I'd hope that if they were a Tarq, they would have been revealed to be as such.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm going to wait to see what becomes clearer before I suggest my arrests. There sure are plenty of suspects this time.

So, going to suggest arrests 5 days from now?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Everyone is Republican as far as I can determine. I'd hope that if they were a Tarq, they would have been revealed to be as such.

We don't get a faction reveal upon death. We have to use game mechanics to figure it out. As far as I know, we do not know what Saldana's faction was.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

We don't get a faction reveal upon death. We have to use game mechanics to figure it out. As far as I know, we do not know what Saldana's faction was.

ooof...

That I didn't know.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Of the people who have died, who have we confirmed as either Republican or Tarq?

Bulletus and Imust were confirmed to be loyal. The two poison deaths are presumably loyal since as far as we know only traitors can use poison. The two sword deaths are not confirmed, but Alanus Teeus had been scanned and seems 99% likely to have been loyal.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Bulletus and Imust were confirmed to be loyal. The two poison deaths are presumably loyal since as far as we know only traitors can use poison. The two sword deaths are not confirmed, but Alanus Teeus had been scanned and seems 99% likely to have been loyal.

AE validated Imus the crewus.

How does the lawyer thing work. Do they get a definate faction scan? At one point Dodgerus Erchicus stated she scanned Alanus with a lawyer, I believe AE and he said that he did not know the outcome. But now he knows the outcome of Imus. How does it work?

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

THROW LONUS STARUS GIRIUS TO THE ROCKUS

If she sees that she is going to bungie without a cord, she may talk.

I vote to jail Coffeus Warlordus as he apparently knows Saldana is good from his post stating he made a mistake. Makes no sense that he would state that unless he knows. Without a scan he would have to be a Tarq to know that.

Read a few posts down. I was under the impression either the lawyers immediately knew someone was a Tarq when they died, or we were automatically told.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.

I think I speak for all when I say..

Maaaa-huh?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Read a few posts down. I was under the impression either the lawyers immediately knew someone was a Tarq when they died, or we were automatically told.

The story we've been told was corroborated between Ardentus and Swaggus, and so I trust it.

Supposedly the lawyers receive a PM after an execution telling them whether the person was loyal or not.

As far as I know they only receive this notice for executions, but I've never inquired about that.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, there was a mistake in communication, not on my part. I tried to correct it immediately, but was unable to. So I have no freaking idea what happened.

If this was just a result of a mix-up in names on PM I'm going to be tempted to fall on my own sword. And it's not even sharpened.

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Can you explain why you think Neon is a bad guy? You mentioned it earlier and again now.

Well I guess his overall inactivity for starters, with only 13 posts only LSG has fewer posts. Also, when he does post, he tends to pop in and do strange things, like popping in after extensive inactivity to vote to free ITC without any explanation.

Frankly, though, it's difficult to tell who's a traitor and who's just not very involved in the game.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Autumn

If this was just a result of a mix-up in names on PM I'm going to be tempted to fall on my own sword. And it's not even sharpened.

Why wouldn't Cronin just address it then instead of Pass? Not sure why Pass would have to correct it?

[Autumn]

Well, I'll wait until morning to see. St.Cronin is gone I believe, having said he'll finish lawsuits in the morning.

[Tyrith]

For the record, I sent my day 2 horse message to BK, who was apparently prevented from sending a reply because of his RL problem. GRR.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

For the record, I sent my day 2 horse message to BK, who was apparently prevented from sending a reply because of his RL problem. GRR.

Seriously, you have to be online at end of day to participate?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Seriously, you have to be online at end of day to participate?

If you're intending to do stuff then, then it helps if your internet performs as expected.

[Neon_Chaos]

Second best lawyer in town.

Thanks to the guy who sent me the ho's last night. They were scrumptious.

How dare these people acuse me of being a traitor!?

I have always been loyal to the Senate, and I have always been proud to be a part of the Republic! And that alone should be enough to plead for my innocence!

As for my lawyer role...

No pm about ITC being good or not, just the PM about the sex slaves being sent to me.

[Narcizo]

Back from a parent meeting at my son's kindergarden.

Seems to be another seriously sub-par performance by the villagers and I have to take my share of the blame. I was trying to attract a kill attempt yesterday so I put the bodyguard on myself, hoping to catch someone. I feel particularly bad because I was initially going to protect Schmidty. I'm afraid my ego could have cost us the game so I'm really sorry. I'll try to make up for it now but I feel really doubtful of our chances at the moment. The wolves seem to be playing with us at the moment.

[Neon_Chaos]

Hey there Chief Rum. How's it hanging? I see you're lurking.

[Narcizo]

I would imagine he's reading the thread rather than lurking.

CR let's make a big effort to coordinate our efforts here. I'm pretty certain that I'm going to be able to be around close to the deadline tomorrow but family stuff might get in the way. So I'll be making an arrest order before I disappear today (Friday ) I'll say what that arrest order is but I would like you to state who you are arresting in case I want to change the arrest tomorrow. Does that work?