Werewolf LXXVI - The Werewolf Draft! Game over, see last pages for details

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

If Alan ISN'T the duke (which I still think he is), then how would his vote have resulted in a no lynch day 1?

I have no doubt alan is the duke.

Howeven, Cronin was very clear there were roles with other abilities not published.

It seems Alan has his own agenda

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

And your making far too much out of the fact that I wasn't at the machine and COULDN't have jumped on it until I went back to re-read it. Christ man is is so freaking hard to accept that you're wrong and change your thinking that you have to nitpick at how long I took to see your post and respond to it? holy shit. THAT should tel you how off base you're being, you're fucking obsesseive.

Someone in a WW game, obsessive?

Anyway, was there a reason you didn't want to vote for Saldana when Alan mentioned it to Lathum 20 minutes before mentioning it to you?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

St. C - question. Does the scorcer have to choose what they are scanning for?

i.e. if they said scan Lathum as the cultist, but he's the seer they would only get a result that said he's not the cultist.

thanks

The sorcerer picks a player to scan. The result will either be: Seer, cultist, or neither. Note also the sorcerer gets the same result for fake seer as real seer.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have no doubt alan is the duke.

Howeven, Cronin was very clear there were roles with other abilities not published.

It seems Alan has his own agenda

I'm biased, because I've agreed with Alan this whole game, but I think you're reaching here. Duke is listed under villager roles, and I don't think there are extra win conditions here -- I think that messes with the flow of cronin's draft idea.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

RETRO-RENDER!!!

Sorry, I'm just a tad overwhelmed today and Alan's being a butt-munch over afew minutes of time that make no damned difference either way. he's realizing he's been wrong here and for whatever reason he's clinging to his theories and looking for whatever little excuse to do so that he can.

ok, Deep breathe, end ranting, calm 2008 RendeR back in place.

[Telle]

Well I'm out until probably just past deadline. I need to get some food and then I have an appointment with my psychologist. Hopefully I won't find myself dead when I get back

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

There are other roles which may be added depending on the number of players. Also, some of those roles may be used more than once, and you can count on at least one of them not quite working the way you expect it to.

hmmm

Alans ole maybe?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have no doubt alan is the duke.

Howeven, Cronin was very clear there were roles with other abilities not published.

It seems Alan has his own agenda

this seems familar to me.... but i cant find him saying it!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

hmmm

Alans ole maybe?

heh, thanks!

[claphamsa]

that may jst mean he can add a certain number of votes,.... or somethign.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

hmmm

Alans ole maybe?

should say Role

unless alan is a bullfighter

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Sorry, I'm just a tad overwhelmed today and Alan's being a butt-munch over afew minutes of time that make no damned difference either way. he's realizing he's been wrong here and for whatever reason he's clinging to his theories and looking for whatever little excuse to do so that he can.

ok, Deep breathe, end ranting, calm 2008 RendeR back in place.

I don't think he was being a "butt-munch" about it. He seemed pretty cordial and understanding, based on a re-read of his post.

[Alan T]

I'll ignore Render's swearing at me as my point to him still stands.

I've already said when I revealed that my role behaves a bit differently than you might expect and I still won't give the wolves the benefit of knowing what I can do, however I am the duke, which is a good guy role as listed by Cronin. Anyone trying to say otherwise has a different agenda.

[RendeR]

Bleh, sorry I got out of hand guys. I'm just being pulled in too many directions today and my nerves are quite frazzeled

[claphamsa]

and you said butt munch

[Alan T]

Catching up on what I missed while away.. yeah Lathum you're trying to mislead everyone to my point about you. At the time it was either a 3 way tie or something close (like Saldana being one vote behind). I said multiple times that I have no problem with a Saldana lynch but don't want to see Passacaglia lynched at least today. I told you if you so badly wanted to save Telle as you were indicating by threatening and attacking me I gave you the chance to move your vote to Saldana. Your vote + my vote on Sal would have easily put Telle out of immediate harm.

It seemed pretty clear to me that people were less worried about saving Telle than they were about trying to discredit me however.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll ignore Render's swearing at me as my point to him still stands.

I've already said when I revealed that my role behaves a bit differently than you might expect and I still won't give the wolves the benefit of knowing what I can do, however I am the duke, which is a good guy role as listed by Cronin. Anyone trying to say otherwise has a different agenda.

And the fact that you have some personal agenda in this game is rather obvious and trumps the "I am a good guy role so I should be trusted" commentery.

YOU cannot be trusted unless we know what the agenda is and decide its in our best interests. Can you at least acknowledge that?


And I do apologize for the bitching, it wasn't necessary.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

And the fact that you have some personal agenda in this game is rather obvious and trumps the "I am a good guy role so I should be trusted" commentery.

YOU cannot be trusted unless we know what the agenda is and decide its in our best interests. Can you at least acknowledge that?


And I do apologize for the bitching, it wasn't necessary.

Out of curiosity who is my personal agenda with? Telle or Saldana or Lathum or you or whom?

This might be the first time in a while that anyone has accused me of being personal in a WW game

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Lathum

there has been some wording that leads me to believe I may be the fake.

Can you give more information...not direct quotes, obviously, but what kind of wording???

[claphamsa]

i think hes implying that you have some scondary motive, like a major victory condidiotn.....

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Catching up on what I missed while away.. yeah Lathum you're trying to mislead everyone to my point about you. At the time it was either a 3 way tie or something close (like Saldana being one vote behind). I said multiple times that I have no problem with a Saldana lynch but don't want to see Passacaglia lynched at least today. I told you if you so badly wanted to save Telle as you were indicating by threatening and attacking me I gave you the chance to move your vote to Saldana. Your vote + my vote on Sal would have easily put Telle out of immediate harm.

It seemed pretty clear to me that people were less worried about saving Telle than they were about trying to discredit me however.

Then why are you defending pass? It was pretty obvious that many of us saw something worth lynching in his attitude and actions, so why are you, as the duke, defending him? You expect us all to give you definitives and reasons for what we're doing and have done and to take action to satisfy YOUR needs, its time to pony up.

Why are you defending Pass so strongly?

As for trying to discredit you, we're not, what we're seeing is you plaing some cloak and dagger game with us to get things your way, YOU are discrediting yourself. YOU are bringing the suspicion on YOURSELF, so defend your position. Stop the smoke and mirroes and tell us WTF you're on about.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Out of curiosity who is my personal agenda with? Telle or Saldana or Lathum or you or whom?

This might be the first time in a while that anyone has accused me of being personal in a WW game

personal agenda as in the game Alan, not personally. Stop tryin to confuse things even more than you have been.

[Alan T]

I am the duke, and I win with the villagers.


You can see in the rules, my role is listed with the villagers. Anyone who is arguing otherwise is doing nothing more then trying to wreck a future villager COT from forming with doubt.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Can you give more information...not direct quotes, obviously, but what kind of wording???

sndvls did a good job of giving an example

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I am the duke, and I win with the villagers.

ok, now I believe you.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Then why are you defending pass? It was pretty obvious that many of us saw something worth lynching in his attitude and actions, so why are you, as the duke, defending him? You expect us all to give you definitives and reasons for what we're doing and have done and to take action to satisfy YOUR needs, its time to pony up.

Why are you defending Pass so strongly?

As for trying to discredit you, we're not, what we're seeing is you plaing some cloak and dagger game with us to get things your way, YOU are discrediting yourself. YOU are bringing the suspicion on YOURSELF, so defend your position. Stop the smoke and mirroes and tell us WTF you're on about.

Great idea, we should just have all of the seers and bodyguard and everyone reveal on day 1 of every game. Since my trying to protect what I feel might be various hidden roles isn't a good thing here. I am getting tired of everyone trying to ask me to map out every move for the wolves. Some things just don't work very well if you don't catch people by suprise.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I am the duke, and I win with the villagers.


You can see in the rules, my role is listed with the villagers. Anyone who is arguing otherwise is doing nothing more then trying to wreck a future villager COT from forming with doubt.

Then explain your actions because you're not acting normal. you're not always this stubborn and non-communicative. you're holding back information and thats not going to cut it.

[Lathum]

dola- i think the Duke role is a prime choice for other abilities/ win conditions since once they are cleared as duke they tend to coast along

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Then explain your actions because you're not acting normal. you're not always this stubborn and non-communicative. you're holding back information and thats not going to cut it.

Have we ever played together? I am pretty sure that St.Cronin just spit out whatever drink he is drinking.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Have we ever played together? I am pretty sure that St.Cronin just spit out whatever drink he is drinking.

that would be a brandy old fashioned.

he likes them ALOT

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Have we ever played together? I am pretty sure that St.Cronin just spit out whatever drink he is drinking.

[claphamsa]

hes drinkign brandy at noon?

[st.cronin]

From wikipedia:

The Old Fashioned is a cocktail, possibly the first drink to be called a cocktail. It is traditionally served in a short, round, 8-12 ounce tumbler-like glass, called an Old-Fashioned glass, named after the drink.

The Old Fashioned is one of six basic drinks listed in David A. Embury's classic The Fine Art of Mixing Drinks.

The first known definition of the word "cocktail" was in response to a reader's letter asking to define the word in the May 6, 1806 issue of The Balance and Columbia Repository in Hudson, New York. In the May 13, 1806 issue, the paper's editor wrote that it was a potent concoction of spirits, bitters, water, and sugar.[1]

Some claim the first use of the specific name "Old Fashioned" was for a Bourbon whiskey cocktail in the 1880s, at the Pendennis Club, a gentlemen’s club in Louisville, Kentucky. The recipe is said to have been invented by a bartender at that club, and popularized by a club member and bourbon distiller, Colonel James E. Pepper, who brought it to the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel bar in New York City.[2] Others point out that the term was already in use before the Pendennis Club was founded.

There is great contention on the proper way to make an Old Fashioned. Here is one recipe:

* 50 ml rye whisky
* splash of simple syrup or 1 cube (3.6 g) sugar and just enough water to dissolve it
* 2 dashes bitters
* Old Fashioned glass

1. Place sugar (or syrup), bitters, and water in old-fashioned glass
2. Crush sugar if needed and coat glass
3. Add 2-3 cubes ice and whisky
4. Garnish with twist

Most modern recipes top off an Old Fashioned cocktail with soda water. Purists decry this practice, and insist that soda water is never permitted in a true Old Fashioned cocktail. Many respected sources (e.g. Maker's Mark) list an Old Fashioned as containing soda water, forgoing the bitters altogether. In some areas, notably Wisconsin, brandy is substituted for whisky.

Many bartenders add fruit, typically an orange slice, and muddle it with the sugar before adding the whisky. This practice likely began during Prohibition as a means of covering the taste of poor alcohol.

An 1895 recipe specifies the following: Dissolve a small lump (about 3 grams) of sugar with a little water in a whisky-glass; add two dashes Angostura bitters, a small piece ice, a piece lemon-peel, one jigger (44 ml) whisky. Mix with small bar-spoon and serve, leaving spoon in glass.[4]

Purists advocate using just enough plain water (called "branch" water) to fully dissolve the sugar without diluting the whisky. Bartenders often use a dissolved sugar water pre-mix called simple syrup, which is faster to use and eliminates the risk of leaving undissolved sugar in the drink which can spoil your final sip. Many drinkers prefer to use rye whisky because of its complexity. One popular garnish is a Maraschino cherry fastened to the back of an orange wedge using a toothpick. Others prefer to use orange zest with the Maraschino cherry.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Great idea, we should just have all of the seers and bodyguard and everyone reveal on day 1 of every game. Since my trying to protect what I feel might be various hidden roles isn't a good thing here. I am getting tired of everyone trying to ask me to map out every move for the wolves. Some things just don't work very well if you don't catch people by suprise.

Ok, you've got two choices then:

1: come outwith ENOUGH information that we HAVE to trust you and can move forward

2: shut the hell up and stop confusing the rest of us.

Can you NOT understand that you're mucking up the entire situation with your "I can't tell you anything" bull? Come ON alan, stop acting like you think you know something. Your theories are not worth the lives of the villagers, not in this game and especially not after our first two days worth of losses.

[Passacaglia]

You guys sure fight a lot for two people with their vote on the same person.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Lathum

sndvls did a good job of giving an example

OK...trusting you, for now...

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE SALDANA

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ok, you've got two choices then:

1: come outwith ENOUGH information that we HAVE to trust you and can move forward

2: shut the hell up and stop confusing the rest of us.

Can you NOT understand that you're mucking up the entire situation with your "I can't tell you anything" bull? Come ON alan, stop acting like you think you know something. Your theories are not worth the lives of the villagers, not in this game and especially not after our first two days worth of losses.

If people don't want to vote with me, they don't have to. I'm not the one saying how stupid I must be for wanting to vote for someone else. I haven't been the one cussing, insulting and such today. I simply stated the two people I would like the lynch between today myself.

See the difference is people shouldn't have any reason to suspect my agenda like you and Lathum and Saldana keep trying to throw out there. They know I am good. Yes I might be mistaken or I might be correct, but it is not because of an agenda.. There is no one else in this game that can be said about.

[RendeR]

*sigh* I've never seen you be this assinine in the face of overwhelming support to the contrary, yet you persist.

You know what. I'm done for today, I'll read up tomorrow. I'm fed up with trying to beat the truth into/out of Alan's thick skull today. He's wrong, he knows he wrongs and he'd rather spin me up and play games with the life of a villager than simply ove on to a more viable theory.

Bye.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Lathum

sndvls did a good job of giving an example

wow I totally made that crap up too

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

From wikipedia:

Go Wisconsin!

[st.cronin]

I received this off-site, am posting it for him:

Originally Posted by saldana

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE TELLE

[st.cronin]

That makes the vote:

8 - saldana - claphamsa (1291), Mrs. Schmidty (1358), mccollins (1408), PackerFanatic (1417), Telle (1485), SnDvls (1506), RendeR (1526), oliegirl (1586)
5 - Telle - Passacaglia (1268), GoldenEagle (1273), Chief Rum (1383), Alan T (1419), saldana (1591)
2 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1389), Lathum (1424)
2 - oliegirl - Danny (1282), EagleFan (1311)

no vote: Schmidty

[oliegirl]

An hour before deadline and only 4 people in the thread????

Wow.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

An hour before deadline and only 4 people in the thread????

Wow.

Not only that, no OlieRage? Come on, join the fun!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

An hour before deadline and only 4 people in the thread????

Wow.

I think I pissed everyone off enough to leave me alone

[claphamsa]

yeah, its really dead!

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Me and Sal are BFF's in real life but if I thought he was the best candidate I would vote for him.

The only day I refuse to vote him is day 1 unless it is to save myself.

I understand what you mean - I have suspicions about all 3 of the leading vote getters, but there's no real hard evidence on any of them. I may move my vote around just to keep it close enough to see what happens.

[PackerFanatic]

It's also Friday afternoon - I am done right at deadline so I won't be online til later tonight

[Danny]

I have my vote on someone other than the two main candidates. I don't think I'll move my vote to Telle as I don't see her as being more likely to be a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I understand what you mean - I have suspicions about all 3 of the leading vote getters, but there's no real hard evidence on any of them. I may move my vote around just to keep it close enough to see what happens.

Which of the four of us are you forgetting?