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[britrock88]

Originally Posted by cartman

And the problem is?

2011 CollegeInsider.com Tournament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem is -- assuming that this game is set up to mimic real college basketball (which it does tremendously well, HR) -- that the FBCB2 CIT is a straight 16-team tourney.

I'd say the more customization that can be given to postseason tourneys, the better. Historical mods would call for smaller NCAAs, the NIT has grown and shrunk and grown...

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On an unrelated note, I came across an interesting issue in Duquesne's heartbreaking 97-100 double overtime loss in the 2018 Elite Eight. Gonzaga, who used 0 timeouts over the course of the game, was awarded an additional timeout for each overtime, which is proper. However, its total number of available timeouts climbed to 5 and then 6. AFAIK, teams are limited to 4 timeouts at the beginning of any period other than the first half. I could look up the rule if need be, but the idea is to cap at 4 the number of timeouts a team can carry over between any periods.

[britrock88]

BTW, nice touches on the email for a job offer from your alma mater! Amazing that it took that long to get that email, but that's what you get when you start in the dregs and went to UNC...

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by britrock88

BTW, nice touches on the email for a job offer from your alma mater! Amazing that it took that long to get that email, but that's what you get when you start in the dregs and went to UNC...

I keep waiting to get an offer from Washington...

[bryce]

Can I suggest one minor tweak? I had a player on academic suspension the first semester, and then on Jan 1 he was reinstated, but I also got an email that day saying he was unhappy because of lack of playing time...

Is it possible to tweak the code: if a player is on academic suspension, he can't complain about lack of playing time?

This game is quickly becoming my favorite text sim of all time...

[youcancallmeal]

On the other hand...in real life, players on academic suspension might be some of the most likely to be unhappy. I think the solution could be to just relabel it in the email, instead of saying he's unhappy about playing time just say he's homesick, having trouble adapting to college, or whatever.

[bryce]

Originally Posted by youcancallmeal

On the other hand...in real life, players on academic suspension might be some of the most likely to be unhappy. I think the solution could be to just relabel it in the email, instead of saying he's unhappy about playing time just say he's homesick, having trouble adapting to college, or whatever.

Are those problems that appear in the game? I haven't come across those. Regardless, those are real problems, I'll grant you, but there's nothing I (as a head coach) can do about them...

[dawgfan]

I've found that to be a non-issue - unless they continue to be buried on the depth chart with little to no playing time AND they continue to be bothered by it, you will only get the one e-mail. In other words, unless they were likely to generate that kind of unhappiness anyway if they weren't suspended and still not playing, I don't think the academic suspension adds to their potential happiness.

[OldGiants]

The academic 'not playing' email complaint has been reported before.

It bothered me at first, but now I think since it makes the player more likely to transfer, it is realistic. I would change the email to say the kid is having troubles and is thinking of transferring because the school is too tough for him. It happens quite a bit with ACC schools. Jamie Skeen,who is VCU's star this season, left Wake Forest for academic reasons. UVa is always having athletes go on academic suspension, drop out and then surface at less challenging places, or 'declare for the draft' and not be drafted but end up in a European league. Foreign players would be more susceptible to this, too.

If a kid is not playing and struggling in the classroom, he is very likely to leave.

[Groundhog]

I have more of an issue with walk-ons getting upset with playing time.

[jetpunk2000]

One thing I've noticed is that every time my hot seat goes from average to "hot" or "trouble" or whatever the next step is towards getting booted, I am booted instantly. Is this the way it is meant to work or is it possible to work the season with that status and possibly save your job?

[flukeshot]

Originally Posted by youcancallmeal

On the other hand...in real life, players on academic suspension might be some of the most likely to be unhappy. I think the solution could be to just relabel it in the email, instead of saying he's unhappy about playing time just say he's homesick, having trouble adapting to college, or whatever.

Yeah, but there's never an indication that they're unhappy until they come off suspension. And they're always happy again by the next month anyway. I assume it's a playing time threshold check triggering that was previously suppressed by the academic status.

[flukeshot]

As an aside, a 16 seed (Canisius) made the final four in my current game, where they lost in the semis. Honestly based on potential they had a pretty good looking starting lineup, with four greens and a blue, but still they had finished fourth in the MAAC and had a pretty unimpressive regular season overall.

[youcancallmeal]

Originally Posted by flukeshot

Yeah, but there's never an indication that they're unhappy until they come off suspension. And they're always happy again by the next month anyway. I assume it's a playing time threshold check triggering that was previously suppressed by the academic status.

Not sure I understand...I wasn't thinking about the timing of the email vs. the suspension. I was just talking about the logic of a player being unhappy with his PT when (a) he can't get any PT when he's ineligible and (b) that's his own fault and there's nothing the coach can do about it.

[youcancallmeal]

One issue I have that I can't think of an quick solution to; it's hard to have a 7 or 8 man rotation if you are just setting the depth chart and simming the games. Invariably you have to go 9 or 10 deep.

For example, let's say you have 4 players that you want to use to cover the SF, SG and PG. Ideally you would give them 30 minutes each. But there's no way to do that because if you put their playing time as 8 or 9, they'll all get tired at the same time. You end up having to bring in a 5th guy for at least 5-10 minutes. Then for the C and PF you run into the same problem, you can't cover them both with one backup. So that's 4 from the frontcourt, 5 in the back, 9 as an absolute minimum, and that's with no fouls or anything.

[muns]

Originally Posted by youcancallmeal

One issue I have that I can't think of an quick solution to; it's hard to have a 7 or 8 man rotation if you are just setting the depth chart and simming the games. Invariably you have to go 9 or 10 deep.

For example, let's say you have 4 players that you want to use to cover the SF, SG and PG. Ideally you would give them 30 minutes each. But there's no way to do that because if you put their playing time as 8 or 9, they'll all get tired at the same time. You end up having to bring in a 5th guy for at least 5-10 minutes. Then for the C and PF you run into the same problem, you can't cover them both with one backup. So that's 4 from the frontcourt, 5 in the back, 9 as an absolute minimum, and that's with no fouls or anything.

Im pretty close to a 7 man rotation as you can get I think and I dont have any of the 8-10 guys playing more than 5.7 mins a game.

[Balldog]

Originally Posted by youcancallmeal

One issue I have that I can't think of an quick solution to; it's hard to have a 7 or 8 man rotation if you are just setting the depth chart and simming the games. Invariably you have to go 9 or 10 deep.

For example, let's say you have 4 players that you want to use to cover the SF, SG and PG. Ideally you would give them 30 minutes each. But there's no way to do that because if you put their playing time as 8 or 9, they'll all get tired at the same time. You end up having to bring in a 5th guy for at least 5-10 minutes. Then for the C and PF you run into the same problem, you can't cover them both with one backup. So that's 4 from the frontcourt, 5 in the back, 9 as an absolute minimum, and that's with no fouls or anything.

Are you setting PT to 1 and their allowable position blank for the players you do not want to play?

[youcancallmeal]

Originally Posted by Balldog

Are you setting PT to 1 and their allowable position blank for the players you do not want to play?

I've tried this. You can get to 7 or 8 guys but the fatigue makes things really tricky. If you have your 3 backcourt guys on high PT they all stay in for several minutes, then the backup comes in, and your backcourt plays most of the half with 2 exhausted players rotating in 1 fresh one.

I have been able to get pretty similar to muns example...note that his 6th man, even on 10 PT with 9 stamina and ability to play 3 positions, can only average 18 minutes a game. That illustrates the basic problem I think.

Come to think of it, maybe the solution is to put all the starting lineup on PT 1, and the 2 or 3 backups on PT 10 (with everybody else having blank position.) Seems like you could conceivably get equal minutes for those 8 guys.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by flukeshot

Yeah, but there's never an indication that they're unhappy until they come off suspension. And they're always happy again by the next month anyway. I assume it's a playing time threshold check triggering that was previously suppressed by the academic status.

The emails about unhappy players only start on Jan. 1 for all players, so you're hearing from your suspended players just as soon as you'd hear from any other players.

To answer a different question, I think it's fine that suspended players complain about their lack of PT. Just because their PT is not in the coach's hands doesn't mean that players won't complain about it.

FWIW: In my careers, I've come to an estimate that it takes 5 minutes a game to calm down an unhappy player.

[flukeshot]

Originally Posted by britrock88

The emails about unhappy players only start on Jan. 1 for all players, so you're hearing from your suspended players just as soon as you'd hear from any other players.

Ah, now that I did not realize. It makes sense now.

[Balldog]

Originally Posted by youcancallmeal

I've tried this. You can get to 7 or 8 guys but the fatigue makes things really tricky. If you have your 3 backcourt guys on high PT they all stay in for several minutes, then the backup comes in, and your backcourt plays most of the half with 2 exhausted players rotating in 1 fresh one.

I have been able to get pretty similar to muns example...note that his 6th man, even on 10 PT with 9 stamina and ability to play 3 positions, can only average 18 minutes a game. That illustrates the basic problem I think.

Come to think of it, maybe the solution is to put all the starting lineup on PT 1, and the 2 or 3 backups on PT 10 (with everybody else having blank position.) Seems like you could conceivably get equal minutes for those 8 guys.

I've been able to run a 7-man rotation with little problem, but you need to have guys with the stamina too.

I'm guessing in Muns case, Audley is taking some minutes at SF from his 6th man.

[Groundhog]

I'd say fatigue and pace would be the biggest factors. I've seen AI teams run with 8 man rotations often enough, but with my 8 pace offense it's trickier, especially if you have one or two guys with lowish ratings. My starting C is a 6/10 for fatigue, and he is "tired" after 5 minutes, even quicker against other high pace teams.

[henry296]

I assume there are no auto-saves?

While I downloaded the latest patch, I hadn't installed. Therefore I got the RTE9 when I ended the season. Of course I didn't save. I ended up winning my last 4 games to win my conference.

[muns]

Originally Posted by henry296

I assume there are no auto-saves?

While I downloaded the latest patch, I hadn't installed. Therefore I got the RTE9 when I ended the season. Of course I didn't save. I ended up winning my last 4 games to win my conference.

There are if you turn on the auto save feature. Thats under tools then league options, and then auto save and then you pick the frequency.

[henry296]

I can't believe I missed that.

[SlyBelle1]

Originally Posted by henry296

I can't believe I missed that.

I have often wondered why some of the options are listed on the tools menu after you start a game versus being on the start up options when you actually create a new game. I missed some of them myself since I assumed you would be able to set everything from the start. Not a huge deal, but would be nice.

[Balldog]

Originally Posted by Balldog

It does seem there is either too much randomness in the games, I've had games against Team A that I've won by 20 at their place then they win by 20 at my place with both games being 90-70 range then in the conference tournament its a 1 point game where neither team breaks 50.

Overall very solid, just a slight tweak is need IMO. I can provide HR more data if needed.

Just beat #1 Michigan State by 30 at their place, then lost to them in the conference tournament by 18.

[path12]

I'm sure this has been answered earlier.

Do the ratings on the left of the player represent my scouting assistant or my scouting ability?

I've been assuming that the potentials, etc are my assistant but that the color boxes are me, but then I realized there was no reason whatsoever to think that.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm sure this has been answered earlier.

Do the ratings on the left of the player represent my scouting assistant or my scouting ability?

I've been assuming that the potentials, etc are my assistant but that the color boxes are me, but then I realized there was no reason whatsoever to think that.

Not positive but I always assumed it was in combination of all of your coaches and yourself.

[OldGiants]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Not positive but I always assumed it was in combination of all of your coaches and yourself.

Not according to the manual. Only the specific coach counts, the others do not. So only the Scout adds to Scouting.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by OldGiants

Not according to the manual. Only the specific coach counts, the others do not. So only the Scout adds to Scouting.

Interesting. So I wonder what human scouting actually does?

[Lathum]

So are there historic roster databases out there so I can start in a given year and have real life guys like Grant Hill, etc... as members of potential recruits?

[Marmel]

I always through that the combination of yourself and your scouting director determined how you saw your recruits, but once you signed them and they are on your team, you see their actual ratings and scouting no longer comes into play.

Edited to add: Depending on your training facilities, they may or may not reach their full potential, but under the right circumstances, what you see are top potential can be reached and what their current abilities show, are 100% accurate once on your team.

[HeavyReign]

Marmel has it right.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Whipped these up. Nothing too fancy yet. You'll want to clear out your logos directory (to get rid of the gifs) and just plop these in there . Let me know if there are any mistakes.

Download Tighty Whitie Logos
Alternate Link

Where can I get these?

Edit: Found them

[OldGiants]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Interesting. So I wonder what human scouting actually does?

Should have been clearer, it is the human rating plus only the specific coach rating.

[Balldog]

My first National Championship game, I was Ohio State.

Connecticut 55, Ohio State 29

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Player            Pos Min Fgm-a Ftm-a Off Reb Ast PF Pts
Joseph Finnegan   C    29   0-4   1-4   1   5   2  4   1
Robert Higgs      PF   37   3-9   0-2   1   7   0  2   6
Graham McEwen     SF   38  4-17   3-4   3   9   0  2  13
Booker Gonzales   SG   31   3-8   1-2   2   2   1  4   7
Curtis Lamb       PG   28   0-1   0-0   1   7   2  4   0
Isidro Matthews   PG   21   1-4   0-0   0   2   0  4   2
Ivan Caruso       SG    7   0-1   0-0   0   0   0  0   0
Robert Doyle      PG    7   0-1   0-0   0   0   1  2   0
Charles Weathers  PG    1   0-0   0-0   0   0   0  0   0
Darrel Davis      SF    1   0-1   0-0   0   1   0  0   0

Turnovers: 21 (J.Finnegan 1, G.McEwen 5, B.Gonzales 6, 
 C.Lamb 4, I.Matthews 3, I.Caruso 2)
Blocked Shots: 5 (J.Finnegan 1, R.Higgs 3, G.McEwen 1)
Steals: 3 (G.McEwen 2, B.Gonzales 1)
3P FGs: 2-16 (J.Finnegan 0-2, G.McEwen 2-8, B.Gonzales 
 0-1, C.Lamb 0-1, I.Matthews 0-1, I.Caruso 0-1, R.Doyle 
 0-1, D.Davis 0-1)

Connecticut Stats:
Player            Pos Min Fgm-a Ftm-a Off Reb Ast PF Pts
Damon Hanlon      C    34  6-10   4-7   5  12   0  3  16
Jose Rockwell     PF   37   3-7   2-2   2  11   3  3   8
Edward Johnson    SF   29  4-10   1-1   3   8   0  2   9
Ollie Hutchens    SG   35  3-16   2-2   2   4   2  1   8
Tony Huffman      PG   35   0-3   4-4   1   2   3  2   4
Wilbert Shrader   C     7   0-0   0-0   1   2   1  0   0
Kermit Church     SF   18   1-6   3-3   1   5   2  1   5
Jacinto Fink      PF    2   1-1   0-0   0   1   0  0   2
Carl Truong       PG    3   1-2   0-2   0   0   0  0   3

Turnovers: 14 (D.Hanlon 3, J.Rockwell 1, E.Johnson 2, 
 O.Hutchens 2, T.Huffman 3, W.Shrader 1, K.Church 1, 
 C.Truong 1)
Blocked Shots: 4 (D.Hanlon 2, J.Rockwell 2)
Steals: 5 (E.Johnson 1, O.Hutchens 2, K.Church 1, 
 C.Truong 1)
3P FGs: 1-17 (O.Hutchens 0-10, T.Huffman 0-3, K.Church 
 0-3, C.Truong 1-1)

Player of Game: C Damon Hanlon (CONN)

[SlyBelle1]

Ouch, 29 points in championship game. I wonder if that is a new record

[jbergey22]

Some nice 3 point shooting that game 3-33 combined.

[dawgfan]

I posted an updated logo pack over at Brian's forum:

http://www.fbbgames.com/forum/viewto...b126a87fa34044

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I posted an updated logo pack over at Brian's forum:

Fast Break Basketball Forum • View topic - logo pack for FBCB2

Thanks!

[britrock88]

(silliness)

[Lathum]

I am trying to create my own conference and am trying to give them an auto bid to the tourney but get a message :max tourny teams for independent conferences is 0 22

any suggestions?

[britrock88]

(d'oh)

The home-and-homes worked themselves out.

In doing this, I did notice that after fast-simming, you have to go into the league editor to re-activate your coaching persona as a human coach.

[Lathum]

figured it out I think

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Thanks!

No problem, having a lot of fun putting them together. I don't really do much Photoshop related stuff at work, so it's nice to get some practice in at home (albeit in GIMP).

My next logo project is going to be to put together a number of alternate logo options so people can pick and choose their favorite for their schools.

Also, if anyone has any requests for a particular logo not in that pack (or a different version), let me know and I'll see what I can do.

[Swaggs]

Haven't read through all of this thread, but I'm thinking about getting it.

Are there player transfers?

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Haven't read through all of this thread, but I'm thinking about getting it.

Are there player transfers?

Yes, there are player transfers in the game.

[youcancallmeal]

Is there any rhyme or reason to which players are willing to redshirt? I get them so rarely I can't figure out much of a pattern.

[k0ruptr]

the way i pretty much see it is the better a player thinks he is the less likely they will redshirt,

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

the way i pretty much see it is the better a player thinks he is the less likely they will redshirt,

Yup. Although I have had the occassional surprise, but never with a blue chip type.