Werewolf XXXIX: The Lady of La Rochelle–GAME OVER.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by BrianD

As long as I seem like wild-and-crazy guy now, how about a conspiracy that involves Blade, Tyrith, and NTN? NTN got his kill blocked so Blade and Tyrith concocted the "failed conversion with a witness" story so we wouldn't think the no-kill was due to NTN's visitor?

How is that for crazy? Stupid game.

These are the kind of days that get you lynched sometimes :P

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

These are the kind of days that get you lynched sometimes :P

Just wait, I could probably bring a few more people into the conspiracy. Give me an hour or two and I can have myself convinced that I am the only good guy left.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

VOTE NTNDEACON

Uncleared, last night was a night with no kills, needs to be killed at some point in his career just to keep him honest. Coffee, lathum, and daddy are among my other suspects right now.

I need to be killed to keep me honest? Oh please! And didn't we have a death last night? We had one death and now we know about one conversin attempt. It makes it sound unlikely iwas involved with either since It is known I was otherwise involved.

[Coffee Warlord]

By the way, early warning. Girlfriend is coming over tonight, so I will not be around at lynchtime. I'm at work till 5 cst and mostly paying attention now (barring some fire to put out), I'll have about an hour or so after I get home, then I'm out for the night.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I need to be killed to keep me honest? Oh please! And didn't we have a death last night? We had one death and now we know about one conversin attempt. It makes it sound unlikely iwas involved with either since It is known I was otherwise involved.

Yeah, I'm calling off the wolves for now :P

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, a conversion attempt could explain the single kill last night.

Open questions:
- who has a role remaining that could have sent a woman to see NTN last night and Path earlier in the game?
- do the night kills, which have mixed in high profile players and better fighters, suggest a certain person being behind the actions?

Last night was the same midget as the night before, BTW. Only naked.

I remain unhappy with M. Grammaticus' choice of messengers.

[Tyrith]

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

To a large extent, the Muskateers seem to have gone after people who are stronger fighters with their night actions.

Night 1 - killed Izulde
Night 2 - killed Barkeep (not sure if they knew he was skilled figther)
Night 3 - killed Dubb, attempted to convert Blade

Yet they have left alone the two people who have won duels, NTN and Coffee Warlord.

I am not horribly surprised by this. I will assume for the sake of arguement that CW is good as well. Who is bound to be looked at as a Musketeer but those who have won a duel. I would tgink just winning a duel is enough in some people's minds to cause them to think of the duelists as Muskateer's.
The Wolves know this. And they are going to keep around folks that are likely to cause confusion.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

They don't fit the profile of skilled fighters as well, so I didn't include them. But I don't think there is a single remaining person in the game, except Blade and LSG, living who has claimed to be a good fighter. Maybe I've missed something, as my detailed notes are at home. They tried to convert Blade and, if Path is to be believed, are trying to use LSG against us.

I believe I stated it earlier, I don't see a reason to keep this secret anymore -- I am good in fencing attack skill, and average in everything else.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here are my snapshot assessments of the remaining players:


2 st.cronin - priest?
3 DaddyTorgo - pleasant lad?
5 path12 - blackmailed guard?
6 Lathum - persuasive
8 Tyrith - bodyguard?
9 Blade6119 - seer?
11 ntndeacon - ???
12 Fouts - duke
14 BrianD - witness?, cleared by Blade
15 Coffee Warlord - tough night kill?
18 LoneStarGirl - can't resist duels, cleared by Blade
20 hoopsguy - cleared by Blade


Duel set up between Path and LSG (forced?) - only makes sense as bluff if Path wins

Btw Hoops what iwas refering to is on pg 8 or 9 I believe

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I am not horribly surprised by this. I will assume for the sake of arguement that CW is good as well. Who is bound to be looked at as a Musketeer but those who have won a duel. I would tgink just winning a duel is enough in some people's minds to cause them to think of the duelists as Muskateer's.
The Wolves know this. And they are going to keep around folks that are likely to cause confusion.

But for how long? If they want to position themselves to win duels, they would likely try to stack the deck in their favor.

[ntndeacon]

I don't know Hoops. But I would think with what is it..12? left that they have time to sow discord by leaving us alone. (If we go with the assumption we both are good) If CW isn't good, then they may leave me out longer hoping the others will lynch me.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Assuming Iam around tomorrow, I can see going an entirely different way then. But for a day 1 vote, it is something that ican see. I always think that I cant see enough. So I will take what I can.

NTN, is this the post you are referencing from Day 1? If so, that would make three seers roles on Day 1: you, Blade, and Alan.

If that is the direction you are headed, then who have you gathered info?
If I'm picking the wrong post, tell me to go back to my searching

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

I'm not convinced that Blade and/or Tyrith are bad. I think their interaction is suspect, but we don't need to make a run on them now. I could be very wrong, but the amount of inconsistencies and the way Blade didn't seem to care that there were inconsistencies struck a chord with me. You know as well as I do that Blade almost never trusts anyone unless he has scanned them himself. Having said that, the inconsistencies could very well be from neither having complete info on the other. It could be totally innocent.

I trust tyrith for this reason, and this alone:

If he was evil, why report that a musketeer(remember, they are the black musketeers, hence the black visitor) came to me. When they learned their attempt failed, and if tyrith was evil, i see two avenues. Either tell no one that it happened(since by tyrith sharing it he has drawn quite a bit of attention to himself), or try to get me lynched on the chance i saw which musketeer tried to convert me(i didnt, and they havent).

I took the fact he shared his info but didnt push too hard for a bandwagon meant he was being honest. I suppose it could have been his attempt to frame me by saying he saw the man in black, but as a bad guy im not sure its how i would have played it.

I trust:
myself
hoops
LSG
Brian

Semi-trust:
DT
Tyrith
Fouts

no feeling:
NTN
Lathum

Distrust:
CW
Path

[ntndeacon]

go back to your searching. it more asks if it is possible a certain role is available.

[Tyrith]

I've grown really tired of the hinting....

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I trust tyrith for this reason, and this alone:

If he was evil, why report that a musketeer(remember, they are the black musketeers, hence the black visitor) came to me. When they learned their attempt failed, and if tyrith was evil, i see two avenues. Either tell no one that it happened(since by tyrith sharing it he has drawn quite a bit of attention to himself), or try to get me lynched on the chance i saw which musketeer tried to convert me(i didnt, and they havent).

I took the fact he shared his info but didnt push too hard for a bandwagon meant he was being honest. I suppose it could have been his attempt to frame me by saying he saw the man in black, but as a bad guy im not sure its how i would have played it.

I don't think it makes sense to consider that he may want to get you lynched in case you saw your converter. There is no way we could lynch you without you giving out that information. If you died and turned out to be good, we would immediately go after the guy you named. Quick-lynch is out.

The only way Tyrith's actions make sense (to me) is if he is on the same team as you. He could be bad and claiming knowledge of your conversion attempt before you mentioned it to gain trust, but that sounds too risky.

Either you are both good and witnessed the same action, or you are both bad and you conjured this story together. I'll reserve judgment for now and look elsewhere.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

to switch games on you a sec. wasn't there a character in the Tombstone game that had to accept a shootout if called on. The Dentist ithink. couldn't it be possible to have a hotheaded Cardinal guard who has to accept a duel, and couldn't that same guardsman suck at dueling?

This seems to fit the bill of what you are describing ... sounds pretty close to what LSG has for her role (has to accept duel).

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Distrust:
Path

Your vision needs adjusting. I am not bad, as we will likely see later.

[dubb93]

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Your vision needs adjusting. I am not bad, as we will likely see later.

How will we see later? CW, rightly, is up for the duel it looks like...i wouldnt mind you with him, but i dont think others do.

[Tyrith]

Path is going to likely be killed by LSG anyway, so I'm not concerned with him too much.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Path is going to likely be killed by LSG anyway, so I'm not concerned with him too much.

Why would LSG kill him, shes not up for the lynch?

[DaddyTorgo]

home from work. catching up now.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Why would LSG kill him, shes not up for the lynch?

Here's why:

Originally Posted by path12

I can't say I didn't see this coming:

CHALLENGE MME. LONESTARGIRL TO A DUEL

My mind cannot be changed.

I will prepare to die now.

[Blade6119]

Ahh shit, i never saw that.

CHALLENGE PATH TO A DUEL

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Why would LSG kill him, shes not up for the lynch?

Path challenged LSG to a duel.

[Blade6119]

Same reason as before path, sorry

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ahh shit, i never saw that.

CHALLENGE PATH TO A DUEL

REFUSE CHALLENGE FROM BLADE

How many times would you like me dead sir?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Same reason as before path, sorry

Can I move up on your list now?

[Coffee Warlord]

This is almost comical.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Can I move up on your list now?

I didnt realize you had challenged LSG, and since she cant turn it down it doesnt matter much if i do or dont. For fun though, you can be my new most trusted person until you duel

[Coffee Warlord]

By the way, the short list of people I trust.

Fouts - Duh.

Hoops, LSG, Brian - If you trust Blade, you trust these three. Simple enough?

Blade - Which leads me into why I trust Blade. LSG I've long thought was on the up and up, and I am pretty sure I can trust hoops. Brian I wasn't happy with, but 2/3 people I trust being cleared...that means I trust Blade's word (despite the fact he still doesn't trust me).

path12 - Unfortunately, we'll know for sure soon, I bet.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I didnt realize you had challenged LSG, and since she cant turn it down it doesnt matter much if i do or dont. For fun though, you can be my new most trusted person until you duel

Tough crowd.

[path12]

On the good side, apparently I'm free to vote as I please today.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here are my snapshot assessments of the remaining players:


2 st.cronin - priest?
3 DaddyTorgo - pleasant lad?
5 path12 - blackmailed guard?
6 Lathum - persuasive
8 Tyrith - bodyguard?
9 Blade6119 - seer?
11 ntndeacon - ???
12 Fouts - duke
14 BrianD - witness?, cleared by Blade
15 Coffee Warlord - tough night kill?
18 LoneStarGirl - can't resist duels, cleared by Blade
20 hoopsguy - cleared by Blade


Duel set up between Path and LSG (forced?) - only makes sense as bluff if Path wins

Hoops, i think i know what everyone on that list is claiming but you...i know your not a musketeer, but i dont know what role you have...care to share?

[DaddyTorgo]

agreed. the path/blade/LSG interaction is quite comical. I'd love to see M. Grammaticus reference it in his writeup of the evening just for laughs.

serious thoughts to follow. caught up now.

[Tyrith]

I want to duel someone :P

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I want to duel someone :P

You know how to get me, but i wouldnt reccomend it.

[LoneStarGirl]

Accept Path's Challenge

I think thats how you do it. OOOOH Im excited about a duel. Now i have 3 pages to catch up on.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. okay. crazy night last night/morning today.

adieu M. Dubbs. We will miss you and your women.

The Blade/Tyrith interplay. Seemed suspicuous at first I'll grant, but I think at this point I believe that Tyrith is the bodyguard and also that his+Blade's version of events make sense, in that Tyrith can't choose to kill/not-kill a visitor to Blade and that Blade wasn't converted by the musketeers.

I see no one has any votes on them yet. interesting with only 4 hours till lynch. guess there'll be late movement.

[LoneStarGirl]

Could St. Cronin be controlling path? Which is why he went away for two days to 'clear' himself and he is making path do his killing and talking?

[Lathum]

I'm not sure why anyone would suspect me when there are other candidates out there but if you wanna waste a vote go ahead.

IMO I think it very possible Tyrith attempted to convert Blade last night and was trying to cover his own ass, I am surprised people don't buy this.
Plus, doesn't anyone else find it odd Blade nor Tyrith can Identify this person?

Plus I find it odd that CW claims he is a crappy dueler then wins his duel.

for now

vote coffee warlord

[LoneStarGirl]

And i dont think Lathum would make a mistake like sending a conversion attempt to blade.... He has been in too many games for that.

[Tyrith]

Daddy, the only vote before Lathum just now is cronin's vote for Lathum.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm not sure why anyone would suspect me when there are other candidates out there but if you wanna waste a vote go ahead.

IMO I think it very possible Tyrith attempted to convert Blade last night and was trying to cover his own ass, I am surprised people don't buy this.
Plus, doesn't anyone else find it odd Blade nor Tyrith can Identify this person?

Plus I find it odd that CW claims he is a crappy dueler then wins his duel.

for now

vote coffee warlord

If I could identify anyone that my trustee met with I'd be a witness and a bodyguard. That seems a little extreme.

[LoneStarGirl]

can we duel now or do we have to wait till lynch time

[Blade6119]

wait until lynch

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

If I could identify anyone that my trustee met with I'd be a witness and a bodyguard. That seems a little extreme.

understood, but yypicaly when there is a failed conversion the target is able to identify the converter

[DaddyTorgo]

LSG you just wanna fight fight fight hmm?