WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN)

[DanGarion]

Sorry guys, my wife had mouth surgery yesterday, and I've had some difficulties keeping up with this game. I'm still pretty overwhelmed.

So far the only person I'm even trusting is Olie, since everything checks out with her. Now that I caught up though....

unvote Render
vote Kwhit

[hoopsguy]

Jackal, I'm hoping that you will continue posting that "reveals list" at least once per 50 posts to make it easier to reference.

Wolves, please do not kill Jackal while he is providing this service. K, thx.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Dan, one thing all parties agree upon is that KWhit attacked Oliegirl last night. He seems like the pretty clear choice for the next man off the boat.

We don't ALL agree on that.

[hoopsguy]

Details, details.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by KWhit

We don't ALL agree on that.

Zip it wolf boy!

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by dangarion

Sorry guys, my wife had mouth surgery yesterday, and I've had some difficulties keeping up with this game. I'm still pretty overwhelmed.

So far the only person I'm even trusting is Olie, since everything checks out with her. Now that I caught up though....

unvote Render
vote Kwhit

I hope everything is ok!

[oliegirl]

Hope everything is OK with your wife Dangarion!

[DanGarion]

Yeah, it's nothing extremely serious, she had to have the periodontist work on her gums. Going to have to get the second half done next year.

Anyway where are those wolfies, let's kill'em.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by dangarion

Sorry guys, my wife had mouth surgery yesterday, and I've had some difficulties keeping up with this game. I'm still pretty overwhelmed.

So far the only person I'm even trusting is Olie, since everything checks out with her. Now that I caught up though....

unvote Render
vote Kwhit

I didn't know Schmidty was Dan's wife??

[The Jackal]

Here ya go hoops.

Originally Posted by Lathum

1.Hoopsguy
5.Lathum- claimed fool, scanned clear by olie
6.Mcollins- claimes lolcat
7.Passacaglia
8.RendeR - claims BG
9.St. Cronin- claims stray
10.Oliegirl- claims seer
11.Eaglefan
12.the Jackal - claims duke
13.coffee warlord- scanned clear by olie
14.seolian - claims BG, scanned clear by olie
15.dangarion
17.Chief Rum

[Passacaglia]

I can't help but think that Dan missed the memo that KWhit was a goner, and voted for someone else to try to save him.

[The Jackal]

I'd like to hear a little from dang over the next couple days if he's able to post, but he's not really high on my importance list at this point. He could be a peripheral wolf but we can deal with that later.

[The Jackal]

I should be able to comment at a regular pace tomorrow as long as I'm at my desk, but I have a class after work and I'll likely be out of touch from 3-8ish.

[The Jackal]

[The Jackal]

I was bored. And not quite sober.

[claphamsa]

to those bugging me, you do not have enough votes for nightfall! so go to bed :P

[The Jackal]

nightfall is irrelevant now, if itd happened this afternoon thered've been potential but now, whatever .. plus we actually got some interesting reveals out of this day

[The Jackal]

oh hey i'm a mascot now, rah rah rah and such

[claphamsa]

a dead day and no ketchup porn.....

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

a dead day and no ketchup porn.....

Sometimes you have to break a few tomatos.

[The Jackal]

[The Jackal]

that one's for heinz. enjoy the caribbean.

[Lathum]

lol.

Jackyl is funny when he is drunk

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

lol.

Jackyl is funny when he is drunk

thanks for the new sig

[The Jackal]

you should see the picture i wanted to post..

but then i'd probably be banned for a few days

clap knows what i'm talking about

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

you should see the picture i wanted to post..

but then i'd probably be banned for a few days

clap knows what i'm talking about

Dead guy here...kinky.

[EagleFan]

I can't make sense of this game. Am I the only on in this game without some kind of powers? It seems that everyone can scan this, be immune to that, attack this, follow that...

No offense to clap as I always appreciate the mods efforts but I am glad this isn't my first game as this could turn off the new players a bit since it seems like mass confusion and needs way too much time dedicated to figure out what is going on.

Unfortunately I am fighting a very nasty headache at the moment so I really have no intention of trying to figure this out for the night, that and I havea conferenc call coning up at midnight with our India offices, another all morning meetingfollowed by a dental procedure and then a meeting with a client tomorrow evening. Add all that together and I may be very infrequent around here the next 24 hours or so.

Staying with my KWhit vote for tomorrow and will add the following:

vote Night Fall

[The Jackal]

EF, we really don't know how crazy this game is. It could be moderately simple with a bunch of people lying recently.

[The Jackal]

And by a bunch, I only mean one or two, but that would elminate the confusion and what not. I think people are taking advantage of the fact that there are some unknowns and some confusion running rampant. Wolves can capitalize on that. What we do know is that we're nailing KWhit today and we'll move on in a sensible manner with the next lynch.

[EagleFan]

That is true except my head is exploding just trying to figure out the reasons behind the lies if we have people lying. If KWhit ends up geing clean the sound you will hear will be that of my head bursting from the possibilities.

One more thig before I log.

Think about the possibility that there is a seperate win condition for these LolCats that have been popping up, or that we believe have been popping up. Maybe overthinking again but what if they are really the "bad guys"?

Sorry, I know I am probably really over complicating things.

[The Jackal]

You aren't overcomplicating anything. That notion has been suggested already, and we're willing to deal with it. But it's my experience that when people try to make things really complicated, they are usually much simpler.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I'm pissed now I DIDN'T get any powers. WTH? Did XMas sell out while I was in the Ramadan line?

[st.cronin]

Its not that complicated. There are basically 4 possibilities.

- There are 2 bodyguards. I think this is very unlikely.
- Seolian and oliegirl are both wolves. I think this is pretty unlikely, too.
- Render is lying. I think this is the most likely scenario. As to why he lied, it seemed to me that he simply forgot that oliegirl had cleared seolian, or else didn't think through what that meant.
- Seolian is a chihuahua. I think this is very unlikely, as well.

In order of plausibility I stack them: Render lying (most plausible), seolian being a chihuahua, there are 2 bodyguards, and seolian and oliegirl both being wolves (least plausible).

[Chief Rum]

VOTE KWHIT

Seems pretty straightforward. If anyone is looking for brilliant analysis from me tonight, you might miss out. This is too nutty for me to try to comprehend after being away all day. So I am toeing the party line and stringing up KWhit for seemingly obvious reasons.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

I'll toss this out there, I guess, so as not to be the reason to hold things up (anymore), but I have to think at this point it don't matter.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Its not that complicated. There are basically 4 possibilities.

- There are 2 bodyguards. I think this is very unlikely.
- Seolian and oliegirl are both wolves. I think this is pretty unlikely, too.
- Render is lying. I think this is the most likely scenario. As to why he lied, it seemed to me that he simply forgot that oliegirl had cleared seolian, or else didn't think through what that meant.
- Seolian is a chihuahua. I think this is very unlikely, as well.

In order of plausibility I stack them: Render lying (most plausible), seolian being a chihuahua, there are 2 bodyguards, and seolian and oliegirl both being wolves (least plausible).

Yup, push comes to shove that's exactly how I figured it. Occam's Razor says Render made a mistake and is in deep kitty litter. I am content to hang KWhit and then Render the next two days.

[The Jackal]

Yeah we need to ignore all this confusion talk and sift through the BS, village is in good shape.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Its not that complicated. There are basically 4 possibilities.

- There are 2 bodyguards. I think this is very unlikely.
- Seolian and oliegirl are both wolves. I think this is pretty unlikely, too.
- Render is lying. I think this is the most likely scenario. As to why he lied, it seemed to me that he simply forgot that oliegirl had cleared seolian, or else didn't think through what that meant.
- Seolian is a chihuahua. I think this is very unlikely, as well.

In order of plausibility I stack them: Render lying (most plausible), seolian being a chihuahua, there are 2 bodyguards, and seolian and oliegirl both being wolves (least plausible).

There is another possiblity:

LoLCats have a win condition but can't perform night kills. This means that they need us to lynch the wolves for them and the wolves to night kill us.

I can't see why there would be so many people lying about events as it would make no sense. Why would Sea Lion lie about the protect, especially since he said that he was going to protect mccollins but got the order in late. Why would he even protect mccollins, let alone lie about that in a fake reveal?

Maybe I'm confusing what I already read but I thought RendeR was cleared at some point. With that being the case why would he lie in a fake reveal after the Sea Lion reveal?

Here's another possibility (maybe I'm reaching but it makes sense if I am remembering facts correctly):

SL is a LolCat as is mccollins. mccollins is only immune for one night kill and knew that. SL protects mccollins as the currently only known LolCat. The wolves killing oliegirl helps the LoLCats as they need the wolves around to thin out the normal cats. If this is true than it may point to cronin being a LoLCat as he is trying to get RendeR out of the way if he really is the feline body guard (again this helps the LolCats).

Again, probably overthinking but it's always good to keep all possible solutions in mind.

[EagleFan]

I don't think we should target RendeR. I believe what he said at this point. His lying would not make any sense as he is a good long time player and that sounds like a rookie desperation ploy.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Again, probably overthinking but it's always good to keep all possible solutions in mind.

Yup. I see your point, but fact is, you just lay out another extremely unlikely possibility. All of these fringe possibilities merely detract from the obvious, simplest possibility. I'm not saying these other possibilities aren't what we're seeing, I just don't see how we can bark up those trees first, when we have this big obvious one sitting here in the middle. IMO, it would be dangerously derelict of us to not test the Render is lying hypothesis before jumping for these other theories.

The distance in likelihood between all of these other possibilities and the "Render is lying/made a mistake as a wolf" theory is mammoth.

[EagleFan]

One question though, and this is what I can't get past and keeps pusing me towards the more complicated theory: Why would SL have tried to protect mccollins last night, which is what I believe he first admitted to doing but it seems he had already put in a request to guard oliegirl but put the in mccollins protect too late to count.

Why would he change off his wife, the overall consensus pick of who to guard? Why would he want to change that to mccollins who we believe was attacked and is immune to night kills? Why would he reveal by telling us that he protected mccollins?


The answer to the third question says that we should believe that he at least has BG abilities. With that being said, the answer to questions one an two point to a more compicated scenerio.

[EagleFan]

dola: SL's admitted attempted switch to mccollins tells me that he is getting direction from a more experienced player and it tells me that mccollins woud have only been immune to the first attack. Why else protect him?


Sorry about all the posts. My meeting never happened, I was the only one there, and the meds have helped the headache so I've een on a bit more than I thought (though tomorrow I will most likely miss a lot of the action).

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

dola: SL's admitted attempted switch to mccollins tells me that he is getting direction from a more experienced player and it tells me that mccollins woud have only been immune to the first attack. Why else protect him?


Sorry about all the posts. My meeting never happened, I was the only one there, and the meds have helped the headache so I've een on a bit more than I thought (though tomorrow I will most likely miss a lot of the action).

No problem. Not like anyone else is here but you and me (likely).

I think what you're forgetting is the newbie factor. Not only is this SL's first game, he was handed a plum role to boot. He has openly spoken of his confusion at points in this game (and frankly, that's not all due to inexperience on his part, considering I think we would all admit to being massively confused at points in this game, regardless of our various veteran statuses). I think it would be very easy for a new player with a role that requires nuanced play (i.e. just about any major WW role) to make a mistake and protect mccollins.

Also, why would the dogs know that mccollins' NK protections only lasts one time? And if SL is a dog, how is he also a BG? And if in some way he is, why would the wolves send their doggy BG to protect mccollins (and does that mean mccollins is a wolf, too)? No, this is being talked around to nothing and back. We must rule out the obvious before chasing off after shadows.

The answers to your three questions is simple, too. He would change from his wife to mccollins because he's a new player who got understandably confused by all the back and forth. And he revealed himself because at that moment we were all screaming for a BG reveal (but unfortunately before having his PM clarified by clap re: olie/mccollins).

[claphamsa]

NIGHTFALL has been achieved!

KWHITT is taken to the pond.... you chuck him in, and he growls and swims away! he almost escapes the lolruss, but fails!

KWHITT has been lynched, KWHITT was a DOG

daybreak will still be at 1 pm

[Passacaglia]

Well, that's one piece of the puzzle figured out.

[Seolian]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

dola: SL's admitted attempted switch to mccollins tells me that he is getting direction from a more experienced player and it tells me that mccollins woud have only been immune to the first attack. Why else protect him?


Sorry about all the posts. My meeting never happened, I was the only one there, and the meds have helped the headache so I've een on a bit more than I thought (though tomorrow I will most likely miss a lot of the action).

My thought was that I remembered reading somewhere that the LolCats had all the powers, but only had one time to use them. I was thinking that the dogs would figure I would protect Oliegirl and would figure out that they could get rid of a lolcat as he only had one protection. But for some reason I cannot find where I heard about the one off power with the Lolcats. I am glad that I was late in making that change though. If I had of made that change, I think Olie would have killed me anyway.

[The Jackal]

Did MC ever give a scan result on sea?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I'm scanning Seolian and I don't have time to change it.

Haven't heard anything from him on that. Suspicious.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

NIGHTFALL has been achieved!

KWHITT is taken to the pond.... you chuck him in, and he growls and swims away! he almost escapes the lolruss, but fails!

KWHITT has been lynched, KWHITT was a DOG

daybreak will still be at 1 pm

At least no-one had to hear the sound of my head explode if he ended up being a cat.

That makes 2 doggies down. Without knowing how the LolCats figure into this (sorry, not dropping the possibility that they have a win condition that we don't know about just yet) I would guess we have maybe 2 more to go.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Did MC ever give a scan result on sea?

He has scan abilities? I thought he was a LolCat that was immune to night kills? I miised where he mentioned scanning abilities. Can he walk on water too?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

He has scan abilities? I thought he was a LolCat that was immune to night kills? I miised where he mentioned scanning abilities. Can he walk on water too?

So far he's said that he's immune to night kills (being immune to only one kill was an idea suggested by us, not him), and that he had a one time usage of the BG and seer role.