Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[Jesse_Ewiak]

For me, the two biggest things are...

1). He's been quiet (Which is totally hypocritical, but hey.)
2). He didn't switch his vote to Qwik on Day 1 and voted for WVUFan on Day 2.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Jesse_Ewiak

For me, the two biggest things are...

1). He's been quiet (Which is totally hypocritical, but hey.)
2). He didn't switch his vote to Qwik on Day 1 and voted for WVUFan on Day 2.

I'm quiet NOW, but that's because I've screwed up enough this game.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

How do you know for sure that he's the "fucking" Duke, other than that he said it. Does anyone actually completely trust people simply saying who they are without solid proof? No, and in most of these games you would agree. The fact that you are fighting so hard for this tells me that you either A) Withholding information that could help us, B) Defending a fellow DE, or C)Being lead by the nose by the DEs. Something isn't right about you in the way you've played the game.

By the way, I wouldn't consider having 3 people on my suspicious list to having "a lot" as you put it. You are being so unbelievably dramatic this game.

If Grammaticus is lynched and I'm wrong, I totally expect and accept that my head will be on the chopping block. I am willing to take that chance.

My time on the internet tonight is being screwed with by the woman, she seems to bitch every time I get close to this thing, but I'll respond to this.

I would not have believed Gramm if he came right out and said "I am the duke."

But the fact remains, he hinted at his role at a time when he was in no danger. He didn't flat out say he was. He was asking what a duke should and could do. That in and of itself is usually a sign of a players role. I've never seen a bad guy "hint" at his role by asking how to play it.

He had his vote on WVU and felt that Sun could protect the seer, so he was just asking about a possible duke. This alone would make me believe him.

Couple it with the fact that no other duke has come out and claimed the role, and I believe it is obvious that he is telling the truth.

[dacman]

Sorry I haven't participated much today. I actually had to work at work (good god these people act like they pay me or something. ).

I can't help but thinking the DE's are being quiet and giving us just enough rope to hang ourselves with. If another wizard dies on this lynch, we need to start cutting the dead weight.

I cannot in my mind get past the fact the Mr. W and path nearly saved a VERY important DE. That and path's explanation for voting WVUFan that day was laughable. If your a wizard, path, I'm sorry.

VOTE PATH12

[KWhit]

I think of the choices that are viable at this point, Path makes the most sense.

VOTE PATH12

[dacman]

path12 8 (kingfc22, Lathum, Grammaticus, RPI-Fan, Superman, Jesse, dacman, KWhit)
Grammaticus 5 (Coder, Schmidty, Desnudo, Raiders Army, JeeberD)
Ardent 3 (path12, passacaglia, dubb93)
Jesse 1 (Ardent)

No One -- Taz, WVUFan

[KWhit]

Just to clarify, I don't have a real strong feeling on Path either way, but I for now I believe Gramm when he hints that he is a Duke-like role, so Path makes more sense to vote for.

[dacman]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I've set it in motion, but we won't get to see the effect until after 10:30pm.

I'm holding you to it, Gram.

[TazFTW]

VOTE PATH12

I really don't have a strong feel on any of the top candidates. I was thinking of voting for Gram because if he is the duke then we can at least prove that he is a wizard since he'll have to use his duke power to lynch someone else.

[Raiders Army]

I'm sticking with Grammaticus. I think the argument that the DE would have offed him if he really was the Duke sticks.

[path12]

No worries, guys. Go get 'em.

[Desnudo]

Well this will definitely offer some insight if path12 turns out to be innocent. You all are ignoring the fact that Gram would be dead if he really were the duke.

[Poli]

I'm not ignoring it. When I left earlier, Gramm was the leading vote getter. When I returned, Path had I think three more votes and has recently picked up more. Moving my vote to Gramm at this point is useless.

[Poli]

Where's WVU been? I saw him earlier today. He didn't vote yesterday or today.

[Desnudo]

I don't see how it's useless, you switch and Path12 switches to Gram and it's a tie.

[Poli]

It's 9-5 right now.

[Poli]

Doh, I get it.

[Desnudo]

NM, not a tie, but still offers a chance, depending on if the one other shows up.

[Poli]

Decisions...

[Poli]

I'm an idiot.

[Poli]

Unvote Jesse

Vote Gramm

I'll do my part, though I'm still concerned about him.

[Desnudo]

I missed Taz' post, I guess you're right. If path12 is evil, well, good job everyone, we'll see in a few minutes.

[Poli]

I'd still like to point out I believe Gramm is the duke.

[Desnudo]

I'd like to test that. Why is he still alive if he is? You have a pretty clear role reveal early on and kills every night since. I can give a pass on the first few nights since they obviously figured out who the bodyguards and seer are. But after that?

[saldana]

just got home, nothing after 1030 counts...give me a couple minutes to count.

[Coffee Warlord]

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[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Well this will definitely offer some insight if path12 turns out to be innocent. You all are ignoring the fact that Gram would be dead if he really were the duke.

Bingo.

[Desnudo]

Another bingo is that has anyone come to bat for Path? I haven't seen one person try and defend him. Maybe it's because they view him as a lost cause, but surely if he were a DE, someone would at least try and shift attention elsewhere?

[Poli]

That's a very good point.

[Schmidty]

At thi point, I have a strong feeling that Path is a wizard, but I think it's a lost cause. Too late, right?

[dacman]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Another bingo is that has anyone come to bat for Path? I haven't seen one person try and defend him. Maybe it's because they view him as a lost cause, but surely if he were a DE, someone would at least try and shift attention elsewhere?

And voting for other people is what exactly?

Gram sure caught a lot of heat today. A smart DE wouldn't defend path directly if path were a DE, they'd try to shift attention elsewhere.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by dacman

And voting for other people is what exactly?

Gram sure caught a lot of heat today. A smart DE wouldn't defend path directly if path were a DE, they'd try to shift attention elsewhere.

That's certainly true. And if Path12 is a DE, you can move me right to the top of the list. If he's innocent, you and the rest of the dog pile get put there.

[Desnudo]

Point being, that I know I'm not a DE, and I'm pretty sure Schmidty isn't, so I know that no DE is making that move. You can't know that for sure obviously, but it's common sense to me.

[saldana]

Day 5 - Paranoia has definitely run rampant as the downhill slide enters its 3rd day. It seems like ages ago that SnDvls became the second Death Eater to snog the Dementor. Accusations fly at people that were originally thought to be sure things on the side of Good. As the day comes to a close, you all sit around the Wasted Wizard drinking heavily, no one able to cope with the possibility that you are going to be wrong again, and another Wizard will die tonight. Third time's a charm seems to be underlying theme as the votes seem to land en masse on Path12, who offers little resistance, and no one seems to be interested in rising to his defense.

In your semi-drunken stupors, you don't really react at all to the entrance of the Dementor, who moves quickly towards Path12 and quickly ends his existance. The next 5 minutes are extremely sobering for the rest of you though, as the scene before you almost seems like you are watching a replay of the past two nights. One sleeve. Nothing. Other sleeve. More nothing. Another innocent Wizard gone, another night of terror on the way.

You search Path12's rooms which are filled with strange objects. Red smoke filled orbs and strange mirrors that don't actually show the people in front of them. They look alot like the things from Barkeep49's quarters. In fact they are the same. Sneakascopes and Foe Glasses that would have given Path12 a chance to escape if the Death Eaters had come for him in the night. Of course Dark Detectors only work if the people trying to harm you are evil...they did Path12 absolutely no good since he was killed by those he counted as his allies.

it is now night 5. this cycle will end on Monday morning at 9:30. hope everyone is enjoying the game thus far, enjoy your weekends...i will be watching the playoffs on my new HDTV

[dacman]

[Desnudo]

Well, we have a while to debate this, but that certainly makes things much clearer to me. The only question is, what's the ratio at this point?

[Schmidty]

Good job, DEs. You got another Wizard.

I really wish you people would listen to reason. Another wasted day. Another Wizard closer to DE victory.

[KWhit]

Damn.

[Schmidty]

Grammaticus. Dubb. Jesse.

Those names just keep coming up, and for the most part, people keep ignoring them. Infuriating.

[Poli]

GAHHH!

This sucks! I'm off to work. See you guys shortly.

[path12]

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[Schmidty]

It's obvious that the DEs have been piling on whoever is suspect that they know for sure is a wizard. There are definitely at least one in the path12 voting list; however, there are likely DEs in the non-path voters as well, since they don't want to all be caught voting for wizards.

[dacman]

28 to start, so figure 5-6 DE's. 18 left with 2 DE's dead, so figure 3-4 DE's left.

I believe we have left:

6.Ardent Enthusiast
7.Dacman
8.Lathum
11.Passacaglia
12.Desnudo
13.Coder
14.Raiders Army
15.Schmidty
16.KWhit
17.TazFTW
18.Dubb93
19.JeeberD
20.WVUFan
21.Kingfc22
22.Superman=#54
23.RPI-Fan
24.Grammaticus
27.Jesse_Ewiak

[Passacaglia]

Sounds like a pretty typical game at this point.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Grammaticus. Dubb. Jesse.

Those names just keep coming up, and for the most part, people keep ignoring them. Infuriating.

Hell, NC brought Dubb's name up earlier than anyone else. Here is my current list. Please, remaining wizards, let's try and think our options through carefully for the next vote:

Needs to be tested in the next vote:

Grammaticus, if Gram is evil, Dubb goes next

High Level of Suspicion

RPI-Fan - says nothing, just votes and leaves. His vote started the landslide. He's tops to me besides Gramm. I would be very suprised if he was not a DE.
Jesse - already been discussed. I'd have no qualms if he or RPI went in the next vote.


Medium Level of Suspicion

Dacman - gaining, though need more info
KWhit - gut plus voting
WVUFan - quiet since his near death
Superman - yes he was "cleared" early but still needs investigating. Maybe converted?
Passacaglia - not really sure on him at all, could be here or neutral, so I'll go with the gut.

Neutral Level of Suspicion

AE - bad voting, but he does have a reasonable excuse. History with CW needs to be taken into consideration
JeeberD - I think the victim of a witch hunt, has a reasonable excuse. Much more likely candidates than him, imo.
Lathum - haven't really gotten a good read, although he seems to be trying to do the right thing

Somewhat Trusted

Coder - seems to have good intentions
RA - ditto

Mostly Trusted

Schmidty - willing to take risks and take unpopular stands. Definitely unwolfish.

Trusted

The dead

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sounds like a pretty typical game at this point.

Great. Anything else useful to help?

[Desnudo]

Missed Taz, I'd put him under Medium Suspicion

[TazFTW]

It should be noted that RPI-Fan was the first to switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal.

[Desnudo]

Noted. And maybe he'll come on and defend himself at some point this weekend. My list still stands though. My personal feeling is that we really need to put Gram to the vote.

[dacman]

Good guys in green.
Bad guys in blue.

Day 1
qwik - 12 (neon, rpi, cronin, taz, alan, mr. w, kwhit, lathum, sndvls, jesse, dubb, desnudo)
superman - 2 (barkeep, blade)
AE - 2 (CW, schmidty)
neon - 2 (qwik, AE)
blade - 1 (jeeber)
desnudo - 1 (gram)
coder 1 - (RA)
RA 1 - (coder)
kwhit 1 - (king)
jeeber - 1 (dacman)
jesse - 1 (path)
no vote: pass, wvu, superman

Night 1 kills: barkeep, blade

Day 2
sndvls - 11 (dacman, king, wvu, CW, jesse, lathum, schmidty, pass, neon, dubb, superman)
wvu - 10 (RA, jeeber, sndvls, gram, AE, cronin, alan, kwhit, path, mr. w)
CW - 2 (coder, desnudo)
superman - 1 (taz)
pass - 1 (rpi)
no vote: none

Night 2 kill: neon

Day 3
alan - 7 (pass, CW, RA, rpi, dubb, AE, mr. w)
mr. w - 6 (dacman, coder, path, wvu, taz, desnudo)
path - 5 (gram, lathum, jeeber, king, jesse)
jeeber - 4 (alan, cronin, superman, schmidty)
no vote: kwhit

Night 3 kill: cronin

Day 4
mr. w - 10 (dubb, kwhit, gram, wvu, RA, AE, coder, pass, desnudo, taz)
AE - 5 (CW, path, superman, king, mr. w)
path - 3 (lathum, dacman, jeeber)
pass - 1 (rpi)
jeeber - 1 (schmidty)
no vote: jesse

Night 4 kill: CW

Day 5
path - 9 (king, lathum, gram, rpi, superman, jesse, dacman, kwhit, taz)
gram - 6 (coder, schmidty, desnudo, RA, jeeber, AE)
AE - 3 (path, pass, dubb)
no vote: wvu