WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN - Page 33

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Well done. My wolfdar must not be working as I didn't see it. Though I still think Thom may be a wolf too. There didn't seem to be any movement to try to save Zinto at all.

There were a number of late votes for Thomkal, you don't consider those possible saving movements?

CrimsonFox · 10-05-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Based on what happened after Danny and I moved to thomkal I definitely think Zinto too.

Yes I said the above. The movement to thomkal after Danny and I moved there did interest me. sndvls brought it up too which makes me feel better about him.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

okay waiting more shenanigans...

unvote j23
vote thomkal

Here was my vote to thomkal with the explanation. shenanigans from the greek word shelupusgans meaning "extreme wolf activity at the last minute to save one of their own".

When I made this vote the vote was:

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Originally Posted by dzilla77

Er 9-6

So I wanted to see if there was going to be any more movement to thomkal after me to save zinto again since it becomes 9-7 after this.

But I switched the vote from 10-9 thomkal to 10-9 zinto, the leader of the wolves with all the powers. You are saying a wolf is going to end up there after switching votes so many times?

Abe Sargent · 10-05-2011, 10:46 PM

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Danny · 10-05-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Well done. My wolfdar must not be working as I didn't see it. Though I still think Thom may be a wolf too. There didn't seem to be any movement to try to save Zinto at all.

May not have been able to, but Thomkal does probably deserve some looking into as a possible scan target.

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Zinto with a day 1 vote on J23 and day 2 late vote on Jackal. I dont think he places an early day 1 vote on a fellow wolf and never changes it. I also don't think he puts the Jackal vote on day 1 if Jackal is a wolf. Additionally, because both players got heat the first couple days, they are unlikely conversion targets. Along with their votes today, I feel very confident both J23 and Jackal are villagers.

I don't see your logic on the jackal vote. It was a throwaway at the time he placed it, it looks like to me.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 10:48 PM

But in general I lean towards him being good as he garnered more support than Mr. Bug. Mr. Bug may be someone to look into for sure though as support for him fall of real quick and went to Thomkal.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 10:49 PM

Autumn, Zinto's Jackal vote made the vote 8-6, still fairly close. It only became 9-5 when Comm switched after.

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Autumn, Zinto's Jackal vote made the vote 8-6, still fairly close. It only became 9-5 when Comm switched after.

Oh I see, that's true. Closer than it seemed. Good point then. Not an absolute, but I agree, puts jackal low on the list.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Autumn, Zinto's Jackal vote made the vote 8-6, still fairly close. It only became 9-5 when Comm switched after.

Just further, but then would have been awfully risky after losing a wolf on day 1. Zinto generally plays it safe as a wolf.

CrimsonFox · 10-05-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Zinto with a day 1 vote on J23 and day 2 late vote on Jackal. I dont think he places an early day 1 vote on a fellow wolf and never changes it. I also don't think he puts the Jackal vote on day 1 if Jackal is a wolf. Additionally, because both players got heat the first couple days, they are unlikely conversion targets. Along with their votes today, I feel very confident both J23 and Jackal are villagers.

i felt good about j23 when the vote shifted day 1 from him to ntn mostly because of odds. I feel REALLY good about jackal. THe only way he could be a wolf is if the other wolves don't know he's a wolf.

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 10:53 PM

All right, enough work, I'm off to bed. Hopefully tomorrow I can look with a keener eye at this stuff.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 10:56 PM

Day Three

8 Thomkal - EF, mrbug, zinto, mauboy, dzilla, mckerney, RA, chief
1 EF - Narcizo
11 zinto - commo, hoops, sndvls, dubb, grammaticus, J23, thomkal, danny, autumn, CF, jackal

CF votes Mrbug 1209
Thomkal votes mauboy 1239
EF votes thomkal 1241
jackal votes mrbug 1244
thomkal unvotes mauboy 1255
autumn votes J23 1264
sndvls votes EF 1266
narc votes EF 1271
danny votes zinto 1305
commo votes zinto 1322
sndvls unvotes EF 1325
hoops votes zinto 1345
J23 votes mrbug 1347
Sndvls votes zinto 1351
zinto votes eaglefan 1372
dubb votes zinto 1375
grammaticus votes zinto 1380
thomkal votes mrbug 1383
danny unvotes zinto 1387
danny votes thomkal 1387
cF unvotes mrbug 1389
cf votes thomkal
jackal unvotes mrbug 1398
jackal votes thomkal 1398
j23 unvotes mrbug 1401
j23 votes zinto 1401
mrbug votes thomkal 1402
zinto unvotes eaglefan 1405
zinto votes thomkal 1405
mauboy votes thomkal 1407
danny unvotes thomkal 1417
danny votes zinto 1417
dzilla votes thomkal 1431
mckerney votes thomkal 1438
danny unvotes zinto 1442
danny votes j23 1442
crimson fox unvotes thomkal 1445
cf votes j23 1445
thomkal unvotes mrbug 1468
thomkal votes zinto 1468
danny unvotes J23 1472
danny votes zinto 1472
autumn unvotes J23 1478
autumn votes zinto 1478
CF unvotes J23 1484
CF votes thomkal 1484
RA votes thomkal 1494
chief votes thomkal 1523
CF unvotes thomkal 1526
CF votes zinto 1526
jackal unvotes thomkal 1533
jackal votes zinto 1533

Danny · 10-05-2011, 10:57 PM

VERY interesting that Zinto had his vote on Eaglefan and NOT Mr. Bug and then switched once Thomkal emerged as the second candidate instead of Mr. Bug.

Thomkal · 10-05-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Well done. My wolfdar must not be working as I didn't see it. Though I still think Thom may be a wolf too. There didn't seem to be any movement to try to save Zinto at all.

Uhhh, I think you need to look again.

hoopsguy · 10-05-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Commo and Hoops both look good, a wolf probably just lets the one or two lone votes toil and helps set a different second candidate to Mr. Bug

First off, awesome to end up with a main bad guy in the vote.

If I was looking at being gone for the deadline (wasn't sure when I voted) as a wolf/Servant, I wouldn't have stuck the vote on Zinto and contributed to early momentum on him. I would have either not voted, and apologized for being so busy with work (I was - didn't get done until 20 minutes ago) or voted on someone to try and spark an alternate candidate.

Beyond that, as a wolf I try to get out in front and grab all the attention from the quieter players - something I haven't remotely done this game. Most of my more passive play is schedule driven, but I think I would still try to find ways to provide cover for teammates if I was a bad guy.

Today I was fortunate enough to have a good vote and thrilled to see that the Lightbringers brought it home. I would be thrilled to see this become a trend

Danny · 10-05-2011, 10:59 PM

Vote Mr. Bug

I realize this is not a legal vote with night deadline not processed, but in the event I am killed, I am making it clear where I would intend to go tomorrow.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:00 PM

Mr. Bug also voted Thomkal once the run started and never considered looking at Zinto, I think we found ourselves another wolf.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:02 PM

Just summarzing, it looks very clear that Mr. Bug did not want to vote Zinto and Zinto did want to vote Mr.. Bug. Both quickly jumped ship to Thomkal after I set him as a candidate. Additionally, both Bug and Zinto are the types to play it safe as a wolf and try and avoid voting that way.

CrimsonFox · 10-05-2011, 11:02 PM

Well bug's been at the top of my list for 2 days now. I missed THAT little morsel of info danny good catch. Why WOULDN'T he vote for Zinto before that especially when he was suddenly all active.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:03 PM

Heaven forbid anyone vote for someone who had previously vote for them and was a possible lynch candidate...

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:03 PM

Yes and why would Zinto not vote Mr. Bug, but quickly switch to Thomkal once he received a vote.

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 11:03 PM

I'd love to say I knew Zinto was bad like Danny's awesome gut feelings but I really just didn't want a tie. Very happy with the way that move turned out, though.

CrimsonFox · 10-05-2011, 11:04 PM

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MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Just summarzing, it looks very clear that Mr. Bug did not want to vote Zinto and Zinto did want to vote Mr.. Bug. Both quickly jumped ship to Thomkal after I set him as a candidate. Additionally, both Bug and Zinto are the types to play it safe as a wolf and try and avoid voting that way.

I had no reason to switch and had I switched you would say I was just adding my vote on a pile on

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I had no reason to switch and had I switched you would say I was just adding my vote on a pile on

How about earlier in the day, why did you not consider voting Zinto when it looked like you two were going to be the candidates?

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Well bug's been at the top of my list for 2 days now. I missed THAT little morsel of info danny good catch. Why WOULDN'T he vote for Zinto before that especially when he was suddenly all active.

Haha...people are complaining that I was not active enough so I'm active (not subbing) and I'm suspicious...

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

How about earlier in the day, why did you not consider voting Zinto when it looked like you two were going to be the candidates?

No need to react so soon in the day

J23 · 10-05-2011, 11:07 PM

As I posted earlier today, I was fine with Zinto or Bug today. I'm fine with seeing how the other one looks tomorrow.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Haha...people are complaining that I was not active enough so I'm active (not subbing) and I'm suspicious...

Uh no, look at the case I laid out, it has nothing to do with your activity level. But you are getting awfully defensive.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

I hate to do this to you Thomkal but now Mr. Bug has twoish votes and you are the second candidate so....

Unvote Eagle
Vote Thomkal

Zinto mentioned "hating" to do this to Thomkal, but has to as he is the second candidate now. But why did he not have his vote on the previous second candidate in Mr. Bug?

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Uh no, look at the case I laid out, it has nothing to do with your activity level. But you are getting awfully defensive.

How else does one react when another person is laying into another pretty heavily on little evidence

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:11 PM

Especially when I can't lay into you with your posts

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

How else does one react when another person is laying into another pretty heavily on little evidence

Little evidence? Everyone of your votes is bad and it was clear you and Zinto avoided voting each other today. There is more evidence against you than any other player in the game.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:13 PM

I see more hunches than anything...cf can attest to my odd tendencies in threads

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:14 PM

Doesn't mean I'm a wolf

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I see more hunches than anything...cf can attest to my odd tendencies in threads

My ntn and Zinto votes were hunched. This once has a lot of evidence to support it with the way the vote went down today.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:15 PM

hunches*

Thomkal · 10-05-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Zinto mentioned "hating" to do this to Thomkal, but has to as he is the second candidate now. But why did he not have his vote on the previous second candidate in Mr. Bug?

I have to say I wondered about that too-he seemed the candidate the Servants were going to have to try to get lynched over Zinto for a very long time today. I would have thought the Servants would have preferred not to lose their leader though, so would have tried to save Zinto over Mr. Bug if both were Servants.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

hunches*

Autocorrect

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:19 PM

Well, we don't know all of the dynamics, perhaps Zinto already uses his conversion and Mr. Bug still is able to. Either way, it definitely appeared both tried very hard to make sure neither was lynched.

Thomkal · 10-05-2011, 11:20 PM

I have to wonder about Dubb's vote on Zinto now given what he said earlier in the game on having no problem putting his vote on a fellow wolf.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:21 PM

And just further supporting things, Thomkal is not a wolf (unless he is not known to the other wolves). No way Zinto avoids voting Mr. Bug and then votes a fellow wolf once he is the second candidate.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Well, we don't know all of the dynamics, perhaps Zinto already uses his conversion and Mr. Bug still is able to. Either way, it definitely appeared both tried very hard to make sure neither was lynched.

Now I have a conversion?

CrimsonFox · 10-05-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

I have to wonder about Dubb's vote on Zinto now given what he said earlier in the game on having no problem putting his vote on a fellow wolf.

I really don't see a wolf burying another wolf on day 3 when they've already lost one especially if they started with low numbers.

Commo_Soldier · 10-05-2011, 11:24 PM

Looks like an interesting night, glad we got a wolf. Will look more and post thoughts after survivor. As for Mr. Bug, I'm open for that vote, was hoping CF would give more of a reason last night as I would have moved onto him vs. the other candidates.

SnDvls · 10-05-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I'm good with a zinto/bug runoff

Quoted for truth

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Now I have a conversion?

As I said, "perhaps". You are awfully defensive which vibes more with being a wolf who is in trouble than a villager who is part of the leading side.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 11:27 PM

I don't think I can recall cf ever going so hard after someone

Danny · 10-05-2011, 11:28 PM

Do you mean me? I am the one coming hard after you. And that's not unusual for me when I have a wolf in my sights with strong supporting evidence.

CrimsonFox · 10-05-2011, 11:29 PM

I actually was hoping to move back to bug after thomkal just as danny was going to move back to zinto. But that option QUICKLY vanished when as soon as I got off bug, most everyone else did too. The flooding onto Thomkal coupled with Zinto's lack of an explanation or comment made me prefer Zinto.

10-05-2011, 10:46 PM	#1603
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10-05-2011, 11:24 PM	#1645
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Looks like an interesting night, glad we got a wolf. Will look more and post thoughts after survivor. As for Mr. Bug, I'm open for that vote, was hoping CF would give more of a reason last night as I would have moved onto him vs. the other candidates. __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-05-2011, 10:48 PM	#1606
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	But in general I lean towards him being good as he garnered more support than Mr. Bug. Mr. Bug may be someone to look into for sure though as support for him fall of real quick and went to Thomkal.

10-05-2011, 10:49 PM	#1607
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Autumn, Zinto's Jackal vote made the vote 8-6, still fairly close. It only became 9-5 when Comm switched after.

10-05-2011, 10:53 PM	#1611
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	All right, enough work, I'm off to bed. Hopefully tomorrow I can look with a keener eye at this stuff.

10-05-2011, 10:56 PM	#1612
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Day Three 8 Thomkal - EF, mrbug, zinto, mauboy, dzilla, mckerney, RA, chief 1 EF - Narcizo 11 zinto - commo, hoops, sndvls, dubb, grammaticus, J23, thomkal, danny, autumn, CF, jackal CF votes Mrbug 1209 Thomkal votes mauboy 1239 EF votes thomkal 1241 jackal votes mrbug 1244 thomkal unvotes mauboy 1255 autumn votes J23 1264 sndvls votes EF 1266 narc votes EF 1271 danny votes zinto 1305 commo votes zinto 1322 sndvls unvotes EF 1325 hoops votes zinto 1345 J23 votes mrbug 1347 Sndvls votes zinto 1351 zinto votes eaglefan 1372 dubb votes zinto 1375 grammaticus votes zinto 1380 thomkal votes mrbug 1383 danny unvotes zinto 1387 danny votes thomkal 1387 cF unvotes mrbug 1389 cf votes thomkal jackal unvotes mrbug 1398 jackal votes thomkal 1398 j23 unvotes mrbug 1401 j23 votes zinto 1401 mrbug votes thomkal 1402 zinto unvotes eaglefan 1405 zinto votes thomkal 1405 mauboy votes thomkal 1407 danny unvotes thomkal 1417 danny votes zinto 1417 dzilla votes thomkal 1431 mckerney votes thomkal 1438 danny unvotes zinto 1442 danny votes j23 1442 crimson fox unvotes thomkal 1445 cf votes j23 1445 thomkal unvotes mrbug 1468 thomkal votes zinto 1468 danny unvotes J23 1472 danny votes zinto 1472 autumn unvotes J23 1478 autumn votes zinto 1478 CF unvotes J23 1484 CF votes thomkal 1484 RA votes thomkal 1494 chief votes thomkal 1523 CF unvotes thomkal 1526 CF votes zinto 1526 jackal unvotes thomkal 1533 jackal votes zinto 1533

10-05-2011, 10:57 PM	#1613
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	VERY interesting that Zinto had his vote on Eaglefan and NOT Mr. Bug and then switched once Thomkal emerged as the second candidate instead of Mr. Bug.

10-05-2011, 10:59 PM	#1616
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Vote Mr. Bug I realize this is not a legal vote with night deadline not processed, but in the event I am killed, I am making it clear where I would intend to go tomorrow.

10-05-2011, 11:00 PM	#1617
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Mr. Bug also voted Thomkal once the run started and never considered looking at Zinto, I think we found ourselves another wolf.

10-05-2011, 11:02 PM	#1618
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Just summarzing, it looks very clear that Mr. Bug did not want to vote Zinto and Zinto did want to vote Mr.. Bug. Both quickly jumped ship to Thomkal after I set him as a candidate. Additionally, both Bug and Zinto are the types to play it safe as a wolf and try and avoid voting that way.

10-05-2011, 11:02 PM	#1619
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Well bug's been at the top of my list for 2 days now. I missed THAT little morsel of info danny good catch. Why WOULDN'T he vote for Zinto before that especially when he was suddenly all active.

10-05-2011, 11:03 PM	#1620
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Heaven forbid anyone vote for someone who had previously vote for them and was a possible lynch candidate...

10-05-2011, 11:03 PM	#1621
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Yes and why would Zinto not vote Mr. Bug, but quickly switch to Thomkal once he received a vote.

10-05-2011, 11:03 PM	#1622
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'd love to say I knew Zinto was bad like Danny's awesome gut feelings but I really just didn't want a tie. Very happy with the way that move turned out, though.

10-05-2011, 11:07 PM	#1628
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	As I posted earlier today, I was fine with Zinto or Bug today. I'm fine with seeing how the other one looks tomorrow.

10-05-2011, 11:11 PM	#1632
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Especially when I can't lay into you with your posts

10-05-2011, 11:13 PM	#1634
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I see more hunches than anything...cf can attest to my odd tendencies in threads

10-05-2011, 11:14 PM	#1635
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Doesn't mean I'm a wolf

10-05-2011, 11:15 PM	#1637
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	hunches*

10-05-2011, 11:19 PM	#1640
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Well, we don't know all of the dynamics, perhaps Zinto already uses his conversion and Mr. Bug still is able to. Either way, it definitely appeared both tried very hard to make sure neither was lynched.

10-05-2011, 11:20 PM	#1641
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	I have to wonder about Dubb's vote on Zinto now given what he said earlier in the game on having no problem putting his vote on a fellow wolf.

10-05-2011, 11:21 PM	#1642
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	And just further supporting things, Thomkal is not a wolf (unless he is not known to the other wolves). No way Zinto avoids voting Mr. Bug and then votes a fellow wolf once he is the second candidate.

10-05-2011, 11:27 PM	#1648
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I don't think I can recall cf ever going so hard after someone

10-05-2011, 11:28 PM	#1649
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Do you mean me? I am the one coming hard after you. And that's not unusual for me when I have a wolf in my sights with strong supporting evidence.

10-05-2011, 11:29 PM	#1650
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I actually was hoping to move back to bug after thomkal just as danny was going to move back to zinto. But that option QUICKLY vanished when as soon as I got off bug, most everyone else did too. The flooding onto Thomkal coupled with Zinto's lack of an explanation or comment made me prefer Zinto.

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