Maximum Football???

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Bee

Maybe you need to steal someone else's work and change the color and then call it your own.

Ha! So says the guy named after the Georgia Tech mascot.

[sabotai]

Oh geez....you know, all this time I thought the graphics (textures, stadiums, playe rmodels, logos, etc.) Were done by David Winter himself. Now, he references some "artist".

Which means one thing. Those player models, logos, textures, stadium graphics, etc....he PAID someone for that work...let that sink in a for a moment. Someone actually was able to pass those models and textures off as professional work. Scary.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Umm....what the hell is a "smoke test"?

The serious answer: in the early days of electronics, you'd turn the device on. If it didn't smoke (or catch fire or anything bad like that), it passed the test.

For programmers, it means "I ran the app and it didn't crash". Very, very basic testing, no attempt to break it, use it much, or do much more than activate the feature for a second.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Ha! So says the guy named after the Georgia Tech mascot.

gotta love those yellow bees.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Oilers9911

I know i'm backing a losing horse in this race but I for one hope they make a decent game out of this, if for no other reason that to shove it up the ass of everyone here who has jumped on the bandwagon of bashing the efforts of the developer, as messed up as they may be.

And yet again... this whole thread just wouldn't be nearly as entertaining without the blatant apologists.

So, oddly enough, thanks for doing your part!

[albionmoonlight]

The question then becomes--do they check every logo in the game provided by this "artist" (who seems like a pretty smooth operator if he got paid for his "work") or just assume that the Yellow Jacket was the only improper image there?

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

The serious answer: in the early days of electronics, you'd turn the device on. If it didn't smoke (or catch fire or anything bad like that), it passed the test.

For programmers, it means "I ran the app and it didn't crash". Very, very basic testing, no attempt to break it, use it much, or do much more than activate the feature for a second.

Hahaha. So, this guy thinks that all he needs to do is "Does it compile? Does it load up? Yes and yes. Another fine day's work."

I really hope he does deeper into his programming style. This is priceless.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Ha! So says the guy named after the Georgia Tech mascot.

"Bee" is short for Bulldog? I'm so out of the loop. *sigh*

[rkmsuf]

They better pay up for that Pumpy Face Pack if it's in there.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The question then becomes--do they check every logo in the game provided by this "artist" (who seems like a pretty smooth operator if he got paid for his "work") or just assume that the Yellow Jacket was the only improper image there?

Nearly word for word my intended response. And we know the answer, I'm sure.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The question then becomes--do they check every logo in the game provided by this "artist" (who seems like a pretty smooth operator if he got paid for his "work") or just assume that the Yellow Jacket was the only improper image there?

The answer to what they should do and what Daivd Winter will do are two different answers I suspect.

(They should just throw out every logo provdied by this "artist" and get new ones)

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by sabotai

(They should just throw out every logo provdied by this "artist" and get new ones)

Good lord, sir...think of the BOX ART! Have you gone mad?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Good lord, sir...think of the BOX ART! Have you gone mad?

So, do you guys think the box art has a picture of John Madden holding a football, or John Madden holding a clipboard?

[Rizon]

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Good lord, sir...think of the BOX ART! Have you gone mad?

Oh shit! I forgot about the box art!! How the hell could forget about the box art!?!?

[Toddzilla]

Ive seen some of the other logos and I don't find anything objectionable....

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Ive seen some of the other logos and I don't find anything objectionable....

[Anthony]

that (non)Steelers logo is funny. good one.

[Deattribution]

Speaking of box art... incase anyone hasn't seen MF's box....

[rkmsuf]

LOL

[DaddyTorgo]

I think at this point I'd pay Matrix $20 just for the laughs I've gotten from this thread alone. I've spent more time in this thread than watching 2-3 movies I'd say, and I've definately gotten more laughs than in the theater!

[cartman]

I've heard that the turducken customization piece is working fine. You can have anywhere from one to 73 legs on the beast to give out as prizes for the players of the game on Thanksgiving day. However, I think the calendar is messed up because Thanksgiving appears to always be on the second Monday in October...

[Antmeister]

Unbelievable thread and we are barely into this year. This thread will surpass the reference thread for sure because that game won't be released until Mid March.

If people stop pointing out the bugs in the video and screenshots, we can actually see a release and the madness that will ensue when people actually buy it.

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Hahaha. So, this guy thinks that all he needs to do is "Does it compile? Does it load up? Yes and yes. Another fine day's work."

I really hope he does deeper into his programming style. This is priceless.

I am by no means defending him in this train-wreck. But smoke-tests are pretty standard procedure. The standard procedure would be to run tests on his development machine while developing. If that looks good, then it gets built on a "clean" build machine. He would then quickly try that build out to make sure that it runs. The testers would then be given that build to test extensively. Nothing he said is out of the ordinary.

Assuming that this IS a recent bug, it is understandable for David miss it during his testing. However, I have doubts as to whether this is a recent bug.

And... recent bug or not, they are doing WAY, WAY, WAY too much development for this to be anywhere near release. Any software engineer knows that you have to freeze the code long before it is ready for release. I seriously doubt they have any formal regression testing.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Castlerock

And... recent bug or not, they are doing WAY, WAY, WAY too much development for this to be anywhere near release. Any software engineer knows that you have to freeze the code long before it is ready for release. I seriously doubt they have any formal regression testing.

but but but...the game has gone gold?? diavid said so!

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Antmeister71

...that game won't be released until Mid March.

It's like Babe Ruth calling the home run!

[bbor]

This could be an awesome drinking game.

Everytime there is a spelling mistake....1 shot
Yardage bug.....1 shot
Logo infringment....2 shots
Etc,Etc

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

It's like Babe Ruth calling the home run!

LOL!

But for some reason I thought that once Matrix games got a hold of it, there would be no more games with release dates. But now they have morphed into Wintervalley zombies bent on telling false promises and fabrications.

Someone else in this thread wondered if Matrix is going to take a hit for taking on this game. At first I thought that was a little far fetched, but now I don't know. While I am not sure how many of the buyers frequent the forums, they will not buy another Matrix game if Maximum Football is ever purchased. I seriously doubt he is going to be committed to squashing any bugs. Instead he will pretend those are features in the Maximum Football experience.

[JPhillips]

I found this looking for something witty.

The CFL Sock Museum

I hope the "artist" didn't steal any of these.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Antmeister71

LOL!

But for some reason I thought that once Matrix games got a hold of it, there would be no more games with release dates. But now they have morphed into Wintervalley zombies bent on telling false promises and fabrications.

Someone else in this thread wondered if Matrix is going to take a hit for taking on this game. At first I thought that was a little far fetched, but now I don't know. While I am not sure how many of the buyers frequent the forums, they will not buy another Matrix game if Maximum Football is ever purchased. I seriously doubt he is going to be committed to squashing any bugs. Instead he will pretend those are features in the Maximum Football experience.

Or put the burden on you to fix/deal with it. The game crashes whenever a team scores over 50 points? Well, then design a ball-control offense and a strong defense and no one will ever score over 50 points.

Fast running backs can always make big yardage to the outside? Then make a playbook that keeps them running inside if you don't want unrealistic results.

Maximum customizability is not just a privilege. It is a responsbility.

[Surtt]

Originally Posted by Bee

Maybe you need to steal someone else's work and change the color and then call it your own.

What do you mean?
They reversed the image too.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DAIVD

I've done development testing and a smoke test to ensure the game runs but leave the unbiast testing to the testers.

This game might be worth buying for the spelling alone.

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

but but but...the game has gone gold?? diavid said so!

This thing is a nearly guaranteed train wreck.
Heck, they have never even tested the installer. They switched installers 2 weeks ago. Was this before or after "gold"?

It's been said many times but so, so true... "I do not think this means what you think it does".

[Bee]

Originally Posted by Surtt

What do you mean?
They reversed the image too.

And he put it inside a "C"! I just thought that might be too much for gstelmack.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Or put the burden on you to fix/deal with it. The game crashes whenever a team scores over 50 points? Well, then design a ball-control offense and a strong defense and no one will ever score over 50 points.

Fast running backs can always make big yardage to the outside? Then make a playbook that keeps them running inside if you don't want unrealistic results.

Maximum customizability is not just a privilege. It is a responsbility.

Work on your spelling and coherence a tad, and there's a place for you at the M-F forums.

[Passacaglia]

So if there's no option, does that mean you can't pitch the ball at all?

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

"Bee" is short for Bulldog? I'm so out of the loop. *sigh*

Why hasn't SkyDog taken offense to this yet?

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Why hasn't SkyDog taken offense to this yet?

I think you're missing the reference.

[1stAnd10]

After enjoying this thread for the past 33 pages I thought I'd post and rant a little.

I would say that if Matrix is using any copyrighted images in screenshots, since those are technically advertisements, that's breaking the law.

I'm an indie game developer, I've been following MF since it was first posted about on football-gaming.com 5 years ago, and I have to say that this will be a fucking trainwreck.

Virtually everything you can do wrong in releasing a game they've done it.

Multiple missed release dates spanning YEARS, the developer insulting other products, the developer getting pissy with customers, the developer's WIFE coming on the forums expecting the customers to feel sorry for a man creating a game to release to make money off of. I'm sorry but when you decide to charge for your game you're not longer in hobbyist territory, run with the big dogs or get the fuck out of the way. The developer has posted PUBLICLY that he almost quit on the project 2-3 times in the past month, you don't tell your customers that you idiot.

Actively working on the game code all the way up til release date. Uh, NO.

Showing videos and screenshots without screening them first for errors, bugs, or other things that may cast a negative reflection on the game. Completely bushleague.

Multiple other comments DW had no business making public.

Oh, and for those of you who don't know what happened with his CFL game. The way it was explained to me was that CFL '99 was released barely playable, DW got mad at all the negative criticism, promised a patch to fix all of the issues, then out of nowhere removed the game from the online store and labeled it as "SOLD OUT". Next thing you know he's working on a new game. Based on his posts I would doubt his maturity level has improved to the point to expect anything else this time around. Even if Matrix put into their publishing contract with him that he has to support the game for a certain amount of time, he can still release crap patches and find a way to wiggle out of it.

I've really tried to be supportive of DW through all the delays and missed release dates because I believe that Indie game dev's should support other indie's. As soon as he ripped the text sim guys that went out of the window. Pompous ass.

I'm just watching and shaking my head at all of this. I'm really hoping I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow to see another football game hit the market that is enjoyable to play. I think that's a pipe dream at this point, atleast for MF.

[Surtt]

Matrix has come up with the perfect soulution:
"Maximum Football will be released early next."

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by 1stAnd10

I'm an indie game developer

got a linky for us FOFC gamers?

[JPhillips]

I was looking at a few of the other Matrix forums as I have generally really enjoyed their wargames. It seems that Maximum Football isn't the only trainwreck they're dealing with.

What the H#ll is going on here? - 2/13/2006 4:40:01 PM
wodin
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Well................


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I think it has already been established that GoA will move in earnest once Frank has finished his duties on Black Powder Wars: Battles Of Napoleon, so I guess once BoW goes gold, then we can hope for some more news here....


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I was going to post something similar last night, but then figured that nothing is really going on and won't be until Frank finishes work on BON. At this point, I am simply hoping that GOA is very close to completion and once Frank returns, it will be a matter of some minor teweaking before it is released. This has been the strangest developement path that I can remember for any game. Considering that I paid in full for the game 3 1/2 years ago, I think I have been very patient.


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I also am looking forward to this title....2008+ seems a long way off.


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Trouble is the last news didnt bode well. Reading between the lines it seemed Matrix werent to happy with the game.


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We recently got a new build from Frank on this between his other projects and it included quite number of very good additional improvements from the planned changes list. We're not done, but just wanted you all to know that it is moving along.

Regards,

- Erik


Well it's nice to know that some progress is being made; especially since I had assumed that no work was being done until BON got finished. I will continue to wait patiently for what I hope will be a great strategic WW1 game.


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Hey, don't feel bad. I have paid in advance for 2 copies of the new civil war game he was going to do over at Adanac...might be a month or thirty away

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30 Months from here to the past or 30 months from here to the future? If it's the latter case you're a true optimist !


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Actually you could say that this game is quite possably one of the most authentic out there.

We wait hours, days, weeks, for a few moments of frezied activity.

[KWhit]

1stAnd10:

I think you may have just summarized this entire thread with one post.

[Tigercat]

I think Maximum Football is really a secret code passing system for terrorists. Its the only logical explanation for everything.

The down and distance system alone could be communicating troop movements.

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by KWhit

1stAnd10:

I think you may have just summarized this entire thread with one post.

Nonsense. He didn't even have a limerick.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by John Galt

Nonsense. He didn't even have a limerick.

Nor did he mention the Pumpy facepak.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Ive seen some of the other logos and I don't find anything objectionable....

This post had me crackin' up for five minutes! It reminds me of Coming to America and the Big Mic:
"We're not McDonald's, we're McDowells. They got the golden arches. I've got the golden arcs. They got the Big Mac. We got the Big Mic. We both have 2 all beef pattties, special sauce, but they have a sesame seed bun. Our buns have no seeds."

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Maximum customizability

that's the greatest phrase thus far in here. bravo.

[Bonegavel]

Maximum Football's Word of the Day

incomplete
· adj. not complete.
– DERIVATIVES incompletability n. incompletable adj. incompletely adv. incompleteness n. incompletion n.

Source: Concise Oxford Dictionary 10th Edition

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

RE: Policy on Licensed Uniforms/Leagues - 2/27/2006 6:10:57 PM
BaboonHeart Matrix Recruit Posts: 19 Joined: 2/23/2006 Status: online	I was not going to play Georgia Tech anyway so if you can just leave it in there we wont use it and you wont have any problems that way we can go ahead and play the game. I almost took off from school today fake sick but I only started to cough a little to set it all up and now that I am home for lunch it looks like I was right about not being sick, so I will just wait to get sick to play and will keep checking when I can go buy it. (in reply to David Winter)
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