Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Something's hitting a nerve with me here. Not with you, but with something that someone said about Swaggs. You were thrown in jail before you could do your night action right? Somebody said that they saw Swaggs perform a night action. If I can find that post...

Yep, I was thrown in jail before I could pick up the client.

[hoopsguy]

Cool, just wanted to make sure that you got some info on Night 0. Not getting any info on a client would have been ... well, weird.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

The person i interacted with last night is now in prison, and im not sure if he can talk in my defense or not. You saw me on night 2 interact with schmidty, and he turned up good. So you can assume i wasnt converting him. Therefore, when i say swaggs is good and saldana bad, you should prob. trust me.

Here it is. The question here is why is Blade interacting with Swaggs before he goes to jail but Izulde wasn't able to perform his night action...

[Raiders Army]

This is really ringing the alarm bells with me. My trust for Blade is slipping away. I don't think that he could've interacted with Swaggs before he was hauled off to prison. This might also explain why he couldn't determine if Swaggs was good and saldana was bad in one night.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe when Swaggs comes on, he can let us know where he was each night and that would help us.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Maybe when Swaggs comes on, he can let us know where he was each night and that would help us.

RA, remember there is an order in which actions are taken...He was arrested leaving the opium den, i talked to him within it. So not only did i get to talk to him, he went to the opium den.

What i dont understand is why that only makes you doubt swaggs and I and not izulde...

Saldana will come up bad, and i hope you will trust me RA. What i have done for you this game should warrant that trust RA, as it got me in trouble. But you warrant me sticking my neck on the line, and i hope that faith is given back into me.

[bulletsponge]

um so who are we voting for? and whats the talley. i came to throw a monkey wrench in things :P

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

RA, remember there is an order in which actions are taken...He was arrested leaving the opium den, i talked to him within it. So not only did i get to talk to him, he went to the opium den.

What i dont understand is why that only makes you doubt swaggs and I and not izulde...

Saldana will come up bad, and i hope you will trust me RA. What i have done for you this game should warrant that trust RA, as it got me in trouble. But you warrant me sticking my neck on the line, and i hope that faith is given back into me.

Hmmmm....I haven't played with you in quite a while. The old Blade would wildly attack me for even mentioning doubt.

I guess we'll see what happens with saldana and go from there. Again, some things aren't adding up and it's either Swaggs/you, Izulde/DC, or simply a random occurence with the order of night moves processed.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Hmmmm....I haven't played with you in quite a while. The old Blade would wildly attack me for even mentioning doubt.

I guess we'll see what happens with saldana and go from there. Again, some things aren't adding up and it's either Swaggs/you, Izulde/DC, or simply a random occurence with the order of night moves processed.

If you dont like the new blade i can revert to form, just let me know

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

um so who are we voting for? and whats the talley. i came to throw a monkey wrench in things :P

I think you missed the deadline..by like 2 and a half hours...

[Raiders Army]

Just stay on your meds.

[DaddyTorgo]

so i'm too lazy to go look. when did CR say he'd post the writeup?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

NIGHT THREE IS OVER. DAY FOUR HAS BEGUN. THERE ARE 13 ELIGIBLE VOTERS TODAY, SO YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST FOUR VOTES TO LYNCH. THE DEADLINE WILL BE AT 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT, BUT THE WRITEUP WILL COME MUCH LATER. NO VOTES WILL BE COUNTED AFTER THE DEADLINE.

YOU ALSO MUST CONSIDER WHETHER TO LYNCH SWAGGS OR NOT.

PMs COMING

here you go DT

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

here you go DT

aaah "much later"

lol

okay well i'm off to play FM then. but i'll pop around to see if the writeup is up.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

He likes to rock grooves and make moves with all the mommies

What, no one got my Biggie reference? Playa haters



So I see not much has happened. I'm curious about what happens tonight because it seems the same people see the same prostitutes. My tool needs a new shed... nothing against you Izulde

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

What, no one got my Biggie reference? Playa haters

You're lucky I'm thinking you're referencing Biggie Smalls.

[st.cronin]

"My tool needs a new shed?"

I think I have a new break up line.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

You're lucky I'm thinking you're referencing Biggie Smalls.

Yes, the one, THE only. Why hasn't he come out with an album... Tupac did.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

"My tool needs a new shed?"

I think I have a new break up line.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

"My tool needs a new shed?"

I think I have a new break up line.

Or Chief Rum needs a new signature

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Or Chief Rum needs a new signature

NO.... NO!! People outside WW will think I'm a hermaphrodite or something.

[Lorena]

I can write any naughty things I want here and Antmeister will never know... don't blow my cover man

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Maybe when Swaggs comes on, he can let us know where he was each night and that would help us.

Man... you have been trying to build a case against me all day long.

I believe I have already done all this, but if it makes you feel better:

Night 0: Didn't have time to get a night order in, so I did nothing.
Night 1: Went to the opium den. Had a vivid dream that showed a meeting between bullet and Barkeep.
Night 2: Did not perform a night action. I have said my money was allocated and will go ahead and come out now and say that I made a bid to hire an urchin that day, so I didn't know whether or not I would have money that evening.
Night 3: Went back to the opium den. Two players, one of which was Blade, spoke to me there. After they left, I feel asleep on the couch, had a nonsensical dream, and was awakened by constables, who arrested me.

I am the local tanner and a normal Londoner.

Now, what exactly is your story, RA? What alibis do you have and what is your backstory?

[Blade6119]

Raiders just got called out after originally calling out swaggs..tonight might be more interesting then the day all things considered, not in information gleaned, but in snide remarks and what not. I could tell both of them who the other is, but this way is much more fun (well, and RA wont listen to me for whatever reason when i should be his most trusted person)

I just hope both what to share and what not to, as one slip up by either and our whole pie crumbles...

[Blade6119]

both know*

[Blade6119]

double dola, Swaggs...you trust me now? If you do, for the time being leave raiders alone...raiders, after the lynch you should trust me. If so, leave swaggs alone. Really you should trust me regardless of the lynch with what you know, but you dont seem to.

Either way, both of you should back down before one of you gives up the other.

[path12]

Here is a list of all the 100% vouches that have occured so far in the 33 pages I just went through -- if there are any mistakes or clarifications let me know. I've tried to stay away from any vouch that was not a certainty.

Barkeep -- vouched for by bulletsponge, path, hoops, RA and Swaggs.
Blade -- vouched for by MrW and RA.
bulletsponge -- vouched for by Barkeep.
path12 -- vouched for by bulletsponge and RA. (I hadn't realized that).
st.cronin -- vouched for by RA.
hoopsguy -- vouched for by path, MrW, AlanT, Barkeep and RA.
Dodgerchick -- vouched for by Izulde.
Raiders Army -- vouched for by Blade and st.cronin.
Swaggs -- vouched for by Blade.
Izulde -- vouched for by Fouts, MrW, dubb, and Dodgerchick.

That leaves the following as not having been 100% vouched for by anyone:
DaddyTorgo
saldana
LoneStarGirl
dubb93

[DaddyTorgo]

heyyy....don't hold it against me that izulde got busted while I was trying to visit him!

i'll go and spend another night searching for one of you lovely ladies if you'd like

[path12]

Dola, it's kind of interesting that the people who haven't been vouched for also haven't vouched for anyone with the one exception of dubb vouching for Izulde.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

double dola, Swaggs...you trust me now? If you do, for the time being leave raiders alone...raiders, after the lynch you should trust me. If so, leave swaggs alone. Really you should trust me regardless of the lynch with what you know, but you dont seem to.

Either way, both of you should back down before one of you gives up the other.

No problem. Backing down.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

heyyy....don't hold it against me that izulde got busted while I was trying to visit him!

i'll go and spend another night searching for one of you lovely ladies if you'd like

I'm not making any accusations here, just showing the facts.

[Swaggs]

Blade, are you 100% sure that I am good? Or are you taking some assumptions?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm not making any accusations here, just showing the facts.

the facts make the accusations for themselves.

and it's difficult as a common londoner whose attempt to visit a prostitute was busted to be able to vouch for anyone, except for weds and DC who were there and witnessed the busting.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm not making any accusations here, just showing the facts.

I have never vouched 100% for RA, just said i trusted him. Its a big difference, if you want the true facts

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

the facts make the accusations for themselves.

and it's difficult as a common londoner whose attempt to visit a prostitute was busted to be able to vouch for anyone, except for weds and DC who were there and witnessed the busting.

Dubb is in the exact same boat as you, so dont get too worked up over it

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Dubb is in the exact same boat as you, so dont get too worked up over it

i don't like being in a boat i don't belong in

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

the facts make the accusations for themselves.

and it's difficult as a common londoner whose attempt to visit a prostitute was busted to be able to vouch for anyone, except for weds and DC who were there and witnessed the busting.

No, the facts make the facts. Your interpretation of the facts make the accusations.

And visiting a prostitute doesn't mean that they will be able to vouch for you either -- neither hoops nor Barkeep could with me.

But I didn't put that together to accuse you. You do seem a bit defensive though.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i don't like being in a boat i don't belong in

Whats so bad about that boat, besides the fact 1 of your 3 boatmates is mr. hyde? Besides, who doesn't like boats?

DT, you belong in the boat until you can be conclusively cleared. And that, for me, will happen when i scan you(which quite frankly isnt a priority of mine for the time being). I dont trust some path has as vouched, so its all opinions.

[hoopsguy]

DT, if it makes you feel better you are much less likely to be a night kill by virtue of your "boat".

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I have never vouched 100% for RA, just said i trusted him. Its a big difference, if you want the true facts

I totally want that. So to revise:

Barkeep -- vouched for by bulletsponge, path, hoops, RA and Swaggs.
Blade -- vouched for by MrW and RA.
bulletsponge -- vouched for by Barkeep.
path12 -- vouched for by bulletsponge and RA.
st.cronin -- vouched for by RA.
hoopsguy -- vouched for by path, MrW, AlanT, Barkeep and RA.
Dodgerchick -- vouched for by Izulde.
Raiders Army -- vouched for by st.cronin.
Swaggs -- vouched for by Blade.
Izulde -- vouched for by Fouts, MrW, dubb, and Dodgerchick.

That leaves the following as not having been 100% vouched for by anyone:
DaddyTorgo
saldana
LoneStarGirl
dubb93

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Blade, are you 100% sure that I am good? Or are you taking some assumptions?

100% sure your good, and will vouch for that fact as of when we talked last night. If you somehow got converted from when i talked to you, then you talked to the 3rd party who i tend to trust, then got arrested, id be suprised.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I dont trust some path has as vouched, so its all opinions.

I tried to keep the opinion ones out of there. Barring mistakes on my part, these have all been stated as certainties. So if some of these are proved wrong down the road, it will be interesting to refer back to the list (unless you want to take conversions into account of course).

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, out of curiosity, can you clear Blade? Not do you trust Blade, but, from your interactions last night, do you know he's on the side of good?

[st.cronin]

dola

Did Mr. W actually ever do anything? Are his actions known? I know he was the night watchman, but he never actually gave a "true" account of his movements, and what he might have done, right?

[hoopsguy]

Nope, we know he found the body on Night 1. At some point he must have interacted with Blade based on his vouch. But there is no explicit account for what he did.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola

Did Mr. W actually ever do anything? Are his actions known? I know he was the night watchman, but he never actually gave a "true" account of his movements, and what he might have done, right?

As I was going back through everything, he kept a lot of what he knew close to his vest and just made one definitive post where he gave the people he had complete trust in (I didn't note individual posts or anything so that's just recollection).

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola

Did Mr. W actually ever do anything? Are his actions known? I know he was the night watchman, but he never actually gave a "true" account of his movements, and what he might have done, right?

He was busy at night, but if your asking if he achieved any success...id say not in the conventional sense. In the abstract sense, his information gaining and subsequent trust of me allowed you all to help me lynch hyde today.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

100% sure your good, and will vouch for that fact as of when we talked last night. If you somehow got converted from when i talked to you, then you talked to the 3rd party who i tend to trust, then got arrested, id be suprised.

Alright then. I will add one more thing that I was afraid would make me look suspicious, then.

I bid 8 shilling on the urchin on Day 2 and won. However, I did not read my role description very clearly and forgot to clarify what I wanted him to do--whether to scout an area or follow someone--so the note I received told me to make that decision for the following night (CR asked me to clarify via PM, but I did not get it until after the morning deadline, as I had gone to bed).

I chose to have my urchin follow LSG (with st. cronin being my backup in the case that she was killed). I was, of course, arrested last night, so I did not get to receive a report.

However, I know suspect that Schmidty may have been my urchin, since he was killed outside LSG's flat.

[Swaggs]

know = now in that last paragraph.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Swaggs, out of curiosity, can you clear Blade? Not do you trust Blade, but, from your interactions last night, do you know he's on the side of good?

No--I cannot say for certain that Blade is on the side of good.

[Blade6119]

Cronin, if you want to pull teeth i dont think even mr. w or RA can 100% clear me...both just trust me/trusted me...look at RAs play today in regards to me.

No one in this game can vouch for me right now, it sucks but such is. Im not going to whine about it like dt