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Old 03-23-2011, 12:12 PM   #1601
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Sources: Mike Anderson likely to take Arkansas Razorbacks job - ESPN

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Arkansas officials are expected to meet with Missouri coach Mike Anderson later Wednesday and, according to sources, a contract offer and Anderson's acceptance of it appear to be a formality.

Missouri athletic director Mike Alden was unavailable for comment early Wednesday but a Missouri official said there was no announcement planned from Columbia, Mo.

Earlier Wednesday, a source at Missouri said the school had expected Anderson to stay.

Anderson had wrestled with his decision the past few days, especially with the majority of the Tigers returning. Anderson had been negotiating a two-year extension that would raise his salary at Missouri to $2 million per season -- a $500,000 raise.

Anderson was Nolan Richardson's assistant and replaced him as interim coach at Arkansas to finish the 2001-02 season after Richardson was fired. Richardson filed a discrimination suit against the school in 2004 but the suit was dismissed, as was his appeal in 2006.

Richardson's fallout at Arkansas was with former athletic director Frank Broyles. New AD Jeff Long has reached out to Richardson and also honored the 1994 national title team.

Anderson played for Richardson at Tulsa and was an assistant at Arkansas when the Razorbacks won the title. Anderson and Richardson were in Tulsa Wednesday for the funeral of longtime Tulsa and Arkansas fan Jim Pharr.

"Mike told me it was 50-50 since he was still negotiating," Richardson said Wednesday morning by phone. "I'm happy for him. I support Mike and I will support him wherever he goes. He's like a son to me."

Stan Heath, who was at Kent State at the time, replaced Richardson, and then was fired before South Alabama's John Pelphrey replaced him for the 2007-08 season.

Long fired Pelphrey earlier this month despite a top-10 recruiting class.

"It's a new administration there, it's not the same people who were there when I was there or Mike," Richardson said.

Anderson has led Missouri to three NCAA appearances, including an Elite Eight berth in 2009. He also led UAB to three NCAA appearances when he was the coach there.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:14 PM   #1602
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Feldman just tweeted that Anderson is expected to accept Arkansas' offer. I'm not sure if that's supposed to be more definitive than what's already out there, and thus "news," or if he's just putting that out there as a "me too" news item.

FYI...it's nothing new. Andy Katz put an article out there saying that UA sources say that Anderson will be the next head coach and then put a sentence right after that saying that Mizzou sources say Anderson is staying. So now EVERYONE is tweeting that he's gone, despite the fact that Katz said hedged his bets and basically said nothing.

It's really a whole lot of nothing. As of 30 minutes ago, Arkansas STILL has not received any permission to talk with Anderson about the head coaching job. In addition, Arkansas sources are saying that Alden is not returning Long's calls. That's simply not true either.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:29 PM   #1603
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ESPN: Anderson will leave MU, unless he stays | Campus Corner

Gotta love journalism in the age of instant gratification media!

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Old 03-23-2011, 12:32 PM   #1604
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Chris Mooney at Richmond, Mark Turgeon at Tx A&M, Gregg Marshall at Wichita State are part of the usual suspects list.

A couple of names I've seen thrown out for UT only include Lawrence Frank (now Celtics ass't, ex-Nets HC, ex-Vol ass't under O'Neill) and Brad Brownell, currently at Clemson.

I think Mizzou and Arkansas should merge into one school on the border of the two states and hire all of these coaches, just in case

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Old 03-23-2011, 12:33 PM   #1605
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I didn't see this gem of a thread until now. I really have no dog in the fight, but unless I REALLY like being the coach of Missouri, I'm freakin going to Arkansas in a second. I'm not sure what this guys done to earn the fight back and forth, but he's a very lucky guy. He'll get a nice raise to stay at Mizzou or go to his old home and coach in the SEC.

One thing I will say: If there was ever a time he was 100% sure of staying at Mizzou, he'd have said it and the rumors would have halted. All he had to do at any point was call up a local paper, commit to Mizzou and pull his name from consideration from the Arkansas job.

He hasn't and I think that says he hasn't made up his mind (or he has and he's waiting for a better contract offer)

Two points...

1) If we were talking about a coach like Bruce Pearl or Buzz Williams having to decide between Mizzou and Arkansas you would have a point. He is established at Mizzou and has his best friends sons playing for him right now at Mizzou.

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“I plan on being at Missouri for a long time, retire here,” Anderson told the Tribune in a telephone interview on Friday morning.

“I’m happy. I think that’s the most important thing. It’s always about being happy.”
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:35 PM   #1606
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:35 PM   #1607
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I will still go back to MBBF jinxing this the other day if Anderson does leave.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:36 PM   #1608
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So, you are saying that all of these reports of him even negotiating with Arkansas are patently false? Even the interview with Nolan Richardson, who has definitely seen him in the past 36 hours, and said he is "50/50"?
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:40 PM   #1609
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If the Missouri extension has been agreed to and he has never been interested in the Arkansas job, why the hell hasn't he just pulled himself from consideration? The money part is over, there is no more reason to try to get more money from Missouri.

He's obviously interested in the Arkansas job. That doesn't mean he's going to take it, but he is damned well torn between the two right now. Anyone not named Mike Anderson has no earthly idea what a guy torn between the two schools is going to do.

All MJ4H has done is post that it wasn't a done deal yet, that the door wasn't closed and that Anderson was still interested in Arkansas.

You keep posting that this is a done deal, he's staying at Mizzou and that all of the Arkansas posters and media are idiots.

Sorry, but at best, this has been and will continue to be a 50/50 proposition for you. If the coin falls right, you will be blasting away at how you got it right all along. (hell, you've ALREADY done that) If the coin falls the other way, I'm sure you'll be in here ripping on Anderson's character and saying he broke promises to Missouri.

There is a reason the media is wearing flip flops on this, it's because Anderson is. All he's needed to do from the time Mizzou agreed to the contract extension was pull his name from the Arkansas job. It would have taken him 2 minutes to do it.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:43 PM   #1610
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To be fair, all reputable sources on Arkansas's side are saying Anderson has been on board for a while now. He's just dealing with his funeral today. They expect this to end today/tomorrow (announcement today, press conference tomorrow).

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Old 03-23-2011, 12:43 PM   #1611
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So, you are saying that all of these reports of him even negotiating with Arkansas are patently false? Even the interview with Nolan Richardson, who has definitely seen him in the past 36 hours, and said he is "50/50"?

Nope. But go back in the thread in few days and several sources had him doing the same thing last week with an announcment by the weekend. Those didn't seem to end up being accurate.

This is really going to be a bigger setback to Mizzou basketball then people might figure. Unless I am mistaken he is the only coach in division I who runs this offense and whoever Mizzou would get to replace him will probably have his own system. Our players and recruits are based on this system. This will take multiple seasons to fix. I am not going to bitch about Arkansas stealing our coach because we will probably turn around and do the exact thing to somebody else.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:44 PM   #1612
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So, you are saying that all of these reports of him even negotiating with Arkansas are patently false? Even the interview with Nolan Richardson, who has definitely seen him in the past 36 hours, and said he is "50/50"?

Wasn't Nolan Richardson one MBBF's sources when he asked him if Anderson would ever leave Missouri for Arkansas?

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There's no way that he's going to Arkansas. The blood still boils in that scenario. I talked with Coach Richardson earlier this season at a MU game about that. He just laughed and said hell would freeze over before Coach Anderson took a job in Fayetteville. Considering their extremely close relationship, I would take his word for it before anyone else.

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Old 03-23-2011, 12:45 PM   #1613
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Wasn't Nolan Richardson one MBBF's sources when he asked him if Anderson would ever leave Missouri for Arkansas?

Yes I believe that was last year when MJ4H had him leaving for both Oregon and Arkansas.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:45 PM   #1614
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Nope. But go back in the thread in few days and several sources had him doing the same thing last week with an announcment by the weekend. Those didn't seem to end up being accurate.

This is really going to be a bigger setback to Mizzou basketball then people might figure. Unless I am mistaken he is the only coach in division I who runs this offense and whoever Mizzou would get to replace him will probably have his own system. Our players and recruits are based on this system. This will take multiple seasons to fix. I am not going to bitch about Arkansas stealing our coach because we will probably turn around and do the exact thing to somebody else.

What "offense" does he run? I know that they are a press constantly team, which as I mentioned VCU did with Anthony Grant and does with Shake Smart. Not sure if Grant is doing that at Bama?
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:49 PM   #1615
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Yes I believe that was last year when MJ4H had him leaving for both Oregon and Arkansas.

I'm guessing the blood doesn't boil or hell is about to freeze over
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:50 PM   #1616
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Yes I believe that was last year when MJ4H had him leaving for both Oregon and Arkansas.

Fail. Never said either one of those and you KNOW it. I never commented on the Oregon opening (hell, I never even knew about it, really) at all, and I'm pretty sure I've explained to you what I said about Arkansas's job about a million times. If you don't get it at this point, I'm sorry but it just comes back to cognitive ability. Ask someone else to explain it to you. Maybe with pictures.

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Old 03-23-2011, 12:50 PM   #1617
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What "offense" does he run? I know that they are a press constantly team, which as I mentioned VCU did with Anthony Grant and does with Shake Smart. Not sure if Grant is doing that at Bama?

I have watched VCU in the tournament and it is not the style Anderson runs. Mizzou presses on defense but runs a fast break style offense that is tailored to the athletes in the system. VCU appears to run halfcourt sets and use the shot clock which I am not sure I have ever seen dip below 15 at Mizzou. (Even when they are holding a slim lead at the end of a game. )

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Old 03-23-2011, 12:51 PM   #1618
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Wasn't Nolan Richardson one MBBF's sources when he asked him if Anderson would ever leave Missouri for Arkansas?

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To be fair, Nolan has said the reason he would now go is because the administration is different and the GOBN is no longer in charge. That was the reason he had said Anderson would never go before. If those things weren't different, it is very clear to me that Nolan was exactly right. But they are different.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:54 PM   #1619
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:56 PM   #1620
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You such a peacemaker MJ4H

Well, while I have no real understanding of why MBBF is saying what he's saying about Anderson having zero interest in this job, I'm assuming he has reason to say what he's said. Someone has to have been telling him this. I know I've seen this from more Missouri people than just him.

As for panerd, he's just being a dick. Sick of that.

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Old 03-23-2011, 01:02 PM   #1621
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Well, while I have no real understanding of why MBBF is saying what he's saying about Anderson having zero interest in this job, I'm assuming he has reason to say what he's said. Someone has to have been telling him this. I know I've seen this from more Missouri people than just him.

As for panerd, he's just being a dick. Sick of that.

Just got back from the 7 press conferences that your sources have confirmed over the past week. Surprisingly none of them have happened. Just like MBBF and the Big Ten fiasco I wouldn't be so certain that these sources are 100%. Otherwise you have already stated that you don't really want him as your top choice anyways, so have fun with him! (of course that is just you covering your ass if your sources were wrong again) I think he is a great coach and would love for him to stay at Mizzou.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:03 PM   #1622
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:06 PM   #1623
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Just got back from the 7 press conferences that your sources have confirmed over the past week. Surprisingly none of them have happened. Just like MBBF and the Big Ten fiasco I wouldn't be so certain that these sources are 100%. Otherwise you have already stated that you don't really want him as your top choice anyways, so have fun with him! (of course that is just you covering your ass if your sources were wrong again) I think he is a great coach and would love for him to stay at Mizzou.

You're not worth my time.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:11 PM   #1624
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You're not worth my time.

Was expecting the ignore list annoucement. lol. We will see if Anderson screws over his two "nephews" and leaves Mizzou. I don't see it happening but I could be wrong.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:16 PM   #1625
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Just got back from the 7 press conferences that your sources have confirmed over the past week. Surprisingly none of them have happened. Just like MBBF and the Big Ten fiasco I wouldn't be so certain that these sources are 100%. Otherwise you have already stated that you don't really want him as your top choice anyways, so have fun with him! (of course that is just you covering your ass if your sources were wrong again) I think he is a great coach and would love for him to stay at Mizzou.

He's simply reported what his sources have been telling him. There is nothing wrong with that. The thing that continues to get me is the rabid denials from the other side that he is even interested in the Arkansas job.

Doesn't the overwhelming amount of evidence suggest otherwise, no matter who the sources are? I don't think this is a done deal from the Arkansas side either. I think the guy is truly torn and when that is the case things can be quite fluid.I'm not going to believe anyone until the actual press conference is concerned.

That sais, MJ was pretty adament that things weren't done when he agreed to the extendion. I think he's been both more reasonable and believable thus far. Just my two cents.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:16 PM   #1626
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I have watched VCU in the tournament and it is not the style Anderson runs. Mizzou presses on defense but runs a fast break style offense that is tailored to the athletes in the system. VCU appears to run halfcourt sets and use the shot clock which I am not sure I have ever seen dip below 15 at Mizzou. (Even when they are holding a slim lead at the end of a game. )
Gotcha.

I'd say VCU uses the fast break when possible, but when it's not there is certainly willing to milk to clock.

Honestly haven't watched Mizzou enough to know the difference, that's why I made a general statement.

Mizzou probably has athletes to make the fast break available more often as well.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:17 PM   #1627
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Just got back from the 7 press conferences that your sources have confirmed over the past week. Surprisingly none of them have happened. Just like MBBF and the Big Ten fiasco I wouldn't be so certain that these sources are 100%. Otherwise you have already stated that you don't really want him as your top choice anyways, so have fun with him! (of course that is just you covering your ass if your sources were wrong again) I think he is a great coach and would love for him to stay at Mizzou.

Dude, give...it...up. Everyone in this thread knows that MJ4H has been pointing at nothing but message boards (with links), newspaper articles (with links), online media (with links). Cut the shit with "his sources".

It's funny, people used to say "sorry to all the other Mizzou fans, its really just MBBF" but you are becoming completely insufferable.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:20 PM   #1628
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Dude, give...it...up. Everyone in this thread knows that MJ4H has been pointing at nothing but message boards (with links), newspaper articles (with links), online media (with links). Cut the shit with "his sources".

It's funny, people used to say "sorry to all the other Mizzou fans, its really just MBBF" but you are becoming completely insufferable.

+1 here.

MJ4H is completely up front about stating where he is getting the information.

MBBF posts as if he has been handed stone tablets from Joseph Smith with all sorts of secret writings on them.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:23 PM   #1629
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He's simply reported what his sources have been telling him. There is nothing wrong with that. The thing that continues to get me is the rabid denials from the other side that he is even interested in the Arkansas job.

Doesn't the overwhelming amount of evidence suggest otherwise, no matter who the sources are? I don't think this is a done deal from the Arkansas side either. I think the guy is truly torn and when that is the case things can be quite fluid.I'm not going to believe anyone until the actual press conference is concerned.

That sais, MJ was pretty adament that things weren't done when he agreed to the extendion. I think he's been both more reasonable and believable thus far. Just my two cents.

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Dude, give...it...up. Everyone in this thread knows that MJ4H has been pointing at nothing but message boards (with links), newspaper articles (with links), online media (with links). Cut the shit with "his sources".

It's funny, people used to say "sorry to all the other Mizzou fans, its really just MBBF" but you are becoming completely insufferable.


Fair enough but here is really the whole point of the back and forth between me and MJ4H the past four pages (and last year as well) His "sources" are basically a Arkansas fan message board called Hogville which is going to say everything pro-Arkansas. One of the boards I read is Tigerboard which is pretty heavily slanted towards Mizzou obviously. I have never claimed any sources or knowledge other than Mike Anderson has the Pressey brothers on his squad and would really being screwing over his best friend by taking the Razorback job. The only difference is that I don't claim to be a connected insider and neither is MJ4H. He may very well get this right but go back to his Lane Kiffin or Tommy Tubberville or Mike Anderson to Arkansas last year "sources". It is just a message board of people who think alike and like a broken clock they will be right sometimes. There have already been 5 or 6 confirmed announcments by his sources that never happened. Thats my two cents.

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I'm being a dick in this thread, but at least I'm up front about it. I'm rather proud of myself.

And to think UNO's epic Division II coach search hasn't even started yet. We're going to be completely impossible to deal with then.

Any fans from the Colorado School of Mines on here? We want y'all's guy. Let's get this shit started.
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Fair enough but here is really the whole point of the back and forth between me and MJ4H the past four pages (and last year as well) His "sources" are basically a Arkansas fan message board called Hogville which is going to say everything pro-Arkansas. One of the boards I read is Tigerboard which is pretty heavily slanted towards Mizzou obviously. I have never claimed any sources or knowledge other than Mike Anderson has the Pressey brothers on his squad and would really being screwing over his best friend by taking the Razorback job. The only difference is that I don't claim to be a connected insider and neither is MJ4H. He may very well get this right but go back to his Lane Kiffin or Tommy Tubberville or Mike Anderson to Arkansas last year "sources". It is just a message board of people who think alike and like a broken clock they will be right sometimes. There have already been 5 or 6 confirmed announcments by his sources that never happened. Thats my two cents.

All three of the bolded are flat lies at this point. You have had it demonstrated to you that these are untrue over and over. You ignore it and repeat it. Over and over.

Once again.

1) I never said a word about Lane Kiffin going to Arkansas. I posted a link AFTER PETRINO WAS HIRED to an article about Lane Kiffin being upset that he didn't get the Arkansas job. For some reason, you think this meant I predicted Lane Kiffin was getting the Arkansas job. After Petrino had been hired. What the hell is wrong with you?

2) Tommy Tubberville being hired was reported on television stations here in Arkansas. They broke into programming with the announcement. I see no reason why that should be pinned on me.

3) I never once reported Mike Anderson was being hired by the U of A. Last year I posted PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE that I had that he would accept the job if offered. Yes, this is the one time I claimed to have a source. It was and still is right on. I still know it for a fact. I have told others on the board via PM who that source was. This year, I cited rumors and called them rumors. Never made any claims of press conferences or done deals or anything like that.

Bottom line, you know all of this and continue spewing it. Why? To be an a-hole I guess.

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Didn't realize that me and MJ4H arguing about the Mizzou/Arkansas job impacted so many people. I guess people have to read every thread that gets bumped to the top and if the discussion doesn't involve them they can't tolerate it. So thanks for the kind words and PM (to be clear not from MJ4H who doesn't seem to care much for me but isn't being a complete dickhead via PM). I guess only one side of the discussion is valid and I will bow out of this thread.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:40 PM   #1633
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+1 here.

MJ4H is completely up front about stating where he is getting the information.

MBBF posts as if he has been handed stone tablets from Joseph Smith with all sorts of secret writings on them.

We've advanced past the stone tablet era here in Missouri.

MJ4H is just posting the rumors. Nothing wrong with that. I'm adding information coming from pretty well-placed alumni and the athletic department. Interestingly enough, I don't think the UA or MU side is necessarily 'wrong' in what's being stated. But I think it's very clear that one side is getting played like a fiddle.
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We've advanced past the stone tablet era here in Missouri.

MJ4H is just posting the rumors. Nothing wrong with that. I'm adding information coming from pretty well-placed alumni and the athletic department. Interestingly enough, I don't think the UA or MU side is necessarily 'wrong' in what's being stated. But I think it's very clear that one side is getting played like a fiddle.

Is this the same well placed alumnus who had personal knowledge of Missouri sending a formal resignation letter to the Big 12 commissioner last summer. Goes by LouieLouieTiger online?

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Old 03-23-2011, 01:49 PM   #1635
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I think we need a twist to this storyline.

Nolan Richardson set up Mike Anderson and is now taking the Missouri job?
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:49 PM   #1636
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Pretty funny tweet from Kim English about the coaching situation. The implied meaning is pretty obvious.....

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Old 03-23-2011, 01:55 PM   #1637
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Is this the same well placed alumnus who had personal knowledge of Missouri sending a formal resignation letter to the Big 12 commissioner last summer. Goes by LouieLouieTiger online?

Not sure who that is. So I'm guessing no.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:55 PM   #1638
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Pretty funny tweet from Kim English about the coaching situation. The implied meaning is pretty obvious.....

As much as I despite Mizzou, English just jumped up a notch in my estimation...
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:26 PM   #1639
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Mike Anderson accepted the job, per Mike Irwin. Said Anderson cried and Nolan was with him. About to teach class so gotta go.

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:29 PM   #1640
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So long.. who's on our list to interview?
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:37 PM   #1641
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So long.. who's on our list to interview?

I hear that Quin Snyder is available.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:38 PM   #1642
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I hear that Quin Snyder is available.

I'd rather have a boil on my ass.

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:40 PM   #1643
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I'd rather have a boil on my ass.

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:44 PM   #1644
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I hear that Quin Snyder is available.

Maybe Chris Collins or Steve Wojciechowski are ready to try their hand at head coach.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:46 PM   #1645
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I just saw a good quote that summed this up:

"Most of the reports out of Arkansas say he's expected to take the Arkansas job while most of the reports out of Kansas City and St. Louis indicate he's expected to stay at Missouri."

We're just getting a sampling of it here, but the MJ4H/Mizzou B-ball fan dynamic includes has encompassed those entire areas. And both sides are positive they're right. And one side, I guess, by default, will indeed have to be "correct", but I don't think that will have anything to do with the "sources" involved. Anderson will go where he wants, probably to the highest bidder. If the numbers change in five minutes, he might change his mind. (though no matter what, there will be a lot of empowered internet sources on the "right" side will be cited as credible in the future, which is always a shame.)

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:51 PM   #1646
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My sources are telling me that ESPN is negotiating a hour long special on Friday night about this called "The Decision part Deux."

Profits will go towards the expansion of ESPN so they can create an ESPN4.
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Old 03-23-2011, 03:09 PM   #1647
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I just saw a good quote that summed this up:

"Most of the reports out of Arkansas say he's expected to take the Arkansas job while most of the reports out of Kansas City and St. Louis indicate he's expected to stay at Missouri."

We're just getting a sampling of it here, but the MJ4H/Mizzou B-ball fan dynamic includes has encompassed those entire areas. And both sides are positive they're right. And one side, I guess, by default, will indeed have to be "correct", but I don't think that will have anything to do with the "sources" involved. Anderson will go where he wants, probably to the highest bidder. If the numbers change in five minutes, he might change his mind. (though no matter what, there will be a lot of empowered internet sources on the "right" side will be cited as credible in the future, which is always a shame.)

That sounds about right.

Just for the sake of discussion, if the rumors of a $2.2-2.5M deal for seven years are true from Arkansas, I hope that Alden sticks to his $2M offer. As someone mentioned a couple pages back (maybe meanstrosity), I don't believe the resume warrants that kind of salary and long term deal. There's 12 coaches that make at least $2M. Only one hasn't made a Final Four.

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Old 03-23-2011, 03:15 PM   #1648
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I think flightaware.com is getting a workout right now. Anderson on his way back to Columbia. We'll see what happens.
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Old 03-23-2011, 03:15 PM   #1649
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So long.. who's on our list to interview?

Most likely it starts with the same guys that are on everybody else's list. Smart, Petersen, Marshall, et al.
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Most likely it starts with the same guys that are on everybody else's list. Smart, Petersen, Marshall, et al.

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