Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

There's some way the cultist can do a night kill, which means we're losing a "villager" one way or the other, if he's able to execute it at any point. I'd rather it be one that wants us to lose rather than one of the rest of us.

If he's in jail he can't kill anyone.

[MartinD]

VOTE LATHUM LYNCH

Doesn't really need a lot of explanation - Lathum is obviously not on the side of the village, and I feel that it's safer to get him permanently out of the way rather than take the risk of him being able to get out of jail.

[path12]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Based on the fact that he's saying he was blocked and is not dead, I'd say he's still not converted.

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Personally, I don't like lynching Lathum, I'd rather see us go after someone else try to find the wolves. Other than the fact that he can name the bodyguard today, how much of a threat is he?

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

I guess the one thing is that he can perform nightkills, but let's not let this be a runaway...

All three of these strike me as......well.......weird. Just me?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

Heh. I'm rusty plus playing an aggressive game this time. I can see why you'd wonder.

BTW, sorry Abe for the lynch push. It was the best I had to go on at the time.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by path12

All three of these strike me as......well.......weird. Just me?

The first post is obvious based on the game rules. The cultist can attempt a nightkill but he's converted and blocked - he's killed.

The second and third are an opinion that we'll get more info by not lynching Lathum in a runaway. But I want to see Lathum lynched at some point to see where he does sit.

[RendeR]

back in a while.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE BARKEEP49 JAIL

I realize that Lathum has his other mechanics that can get him converted, but it seems like the way he's playing is such that he's not really going for it.

[path12]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

The first post is obvious based on the game rules. The cultist can attempt a nightkill but he's converted and blocked - he's killed.

The second and third are an opinion that we'll get more info by not lynching Lathum in a runaway. But I want to see Lathum lynched at some point to see where he does sit.

I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that as I understand the rules (haven't gone back to check this particular thing) there are still events that can convert him, or there could be other ways to break him out of jail. I mean, yeah, if it comes down to the wire then he can make a difference in the ratio, but I think that especially with what Chief has put out there that barring some kind of multiple villager death scenario that we have finally started to get an upper hand here. Jailing him seems to invite trouble later.

I think it's valuable today to discuss others down the road, but I think the chance of a meaningful run-off today is probably not in the cards.

I think that's a bit of a ramble, but hopefully the gist is clear.

VOTE LYNCH LATHUM

[Autumn]

While out it occurred to me a better possibility to get us another scan. If the BG isn't able to guard Chief tonight (which admittedly involves trusting Lathum) should we jail Chief today to keep him safe?

Did we ever ascertain if the followers can kill inside the jail?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

While out it occurred to me a better possibility to get us another scan. If the BG isn't able to guard Chief tonight (which admittedly involves trusting Lathum) should we jail Chief today to keep him safe?

Did we ever ascertain if the followers can kill inside the jail?

I would think not -- private roles are basically removed when you're in jail.

[Lathum]

I will be revealing the BG's name today if I am lynched, unless Pass dukes it.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I would think not -- private roles are basically removed when you're in jail.

No, I"m sorry, what I mean is can the Dark One's followers night kill somebody who is in jail. Dubb, can I get a ruling on this (though I think maybe you already said?)

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I say jail me, then is you need to use me as a villager to win the game release me since I would count towards that ratio.

jailed players do not count for the win ratio. Nice try though.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Lynch Lathum

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I will be revealing the BG's name today if I am lynched, unless Pass dukes it.

Okay -- I'll duke it then. Any ideas who I should duke to?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

jailed players do not count for the win ratio. Nice try though.

I know that, which is why I said if you need me RELEASE ME!!!!!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by The Rules

Followers of The Dark One may not kill prisoners. The Dark One himself is the only character that is able to kill prisoners. If they perform a jail raid every prisoner is freed regardless of private role and/or light or dark aura.

.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

All right, it's time.

I am Crystal Oculo. My apologies to KWhit for letting him hang. I didn't feel it was right to coem out then.

I haven't been a particularly great seer, since I haven't found a wolf. But with the BG still around, and a shrinking pool of probably three wolves, it seems to be the right time to set up an official CoT.

My results today, and the wolves' kill target allowed two more uncleareds to come off of the list, and I think that gives us a lot to work with.

Here goes:

Night One: Scanned Danny (good, of course)
Night Two: Scanned Abe (good, this is why I wanted to jail him at worst, not lynch)
Night Three: Scanned Autumn (good, wanted to get info from lynch votes on him)
Night Four (last night): Scanned path12 (good)

path was the first one that actually surprised me a little. I thought there was a good chance he would come up dark.

FTR, I think we need to lynch Lathum today to be certain he is the Cultist. If he is not, we cannot trust the above scans quite yet. But I am pretty sure Lathum is the Cultist. His block reference pretty much clears any remaining doubt, as we know the wolves weren't blocked last night.

Wow. I got cleared twice in one day!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay -- I'll duke it then. Any ideas who I should duke to?

Barkeep

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Barkeep

Why him?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by KWhit

You couldn't have done this one day earlier?

Bah!

I think CR played it right. It prevents us from having to choose which seer is which, wheihc I have see ntake up 2-3 days of WW time, and we just got through all of that in one.

[Abe Sargent]

I do not have this SnDvls and RendeR trust that some seem t pohave

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I will be revealing the BG's name today if I am lynched, unless Pass dukes it.

I know you like to play this "I know the BG game" but you don't or you would have already said it. It's just a game for you to pass the time before you get lynched today. I'm actually rather sick of it myself, but realize we may need to keep you around....keep pushing it and I'll put you neck in the noose myself.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by path12

Heh. I'm rusty plus playing an aggressive game this time. I can see why you'd wonder.

BTW, sorry Abe for the lynch push. It was the best I had to go on at the time.

Kisses!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Why him?

call it a hunch. I get a wolf vibe from him.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I know that, which is why I said if you need me RELEASE ME!!!!!

Let me go....

Anyone?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Why him?

Cause I've been mean to him.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Cause I've been mean to him.

lol

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I do not have this SnDvls and RendeR trust that some seem t pohave

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Our wolves must be among the following:

BK, saldana, lerriuqs, USFLTecmo, MartinD, The Jackal, Render and SnDvls

Three are wolves. We'll have another cleared tomorrow, presuming the BG protects me. If Lathum reveals a BG, the BG will die tonight, but we'll have another cleared player. Hopefully it is someone on the list above.

it's only a mild trust for some.

although I know I'm good so it's full trust in my book.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I know you like to play this "I know the BG game" but you don't or you would have already said it. It's just a game for you to pass the time before you get lynched today. I'm actually rather sick of it myself, but realize we may need to keep you around....keep pushing it and I'll put you neck in the noose myself.

That's what hoops does too, only I find myself more likely to trust a hoopsguy claim post-wolf reveal than a Lathum one. Lathum is slimier. If hoops made this offer, who knows what I'd do, just for fun?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm particularly distrubed by how often RendeR is missing the rules. There wree several posts when I was in speak-less-ness that spoke to this.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and in case no one noticed, Abe is F'in Back! That's right, welcome back to Speaktown!

[Abe Sargent]

BK's whole Lynch Them theory is borne out ot be false by my continued presence here. I was jailed instead of lynched, then cleared x2, and freed and now you hgave a confirmed good villager instead of a dead one. I still think you need to lynch to win when you have cases like yesterdya and today, but by and large, jailing apperas to be right to me right now, with a laregly confirmed guy as King.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I've got work for a couple of hours and whatnot. I'll catch you all in a few.

[Autumn]

Okay, thanks Dubb. I was feeding the kids so I couldn't really check and thougth it had been vague definitely not.

What do people think about jailing Chief Rum today so we can get an extra scan out of him??

[Autumn]

I guess that move depends a lot on whether Lathum really knows the BG or not. If he does, jailing Chief probably won't help and will just cost us a day. If he doesn't, and if the wolves don't get lucky, then we could lynch Lathum tomorrow and get another scan tomorrow night.

[Passacaglia]

Can you lay out how jailing CR buys us an extra scan?

[Autumn]

Presuming that the BG did guard Chief last night (which I'm not sure whether to trust, but we can get to that after), he can't guard Chief tonight. Therefore Chief will most likely get night killed. if we jail him, he cannot be night killed tonight. That would allow him to be released tomorrow and guarded again.

I think this is basically the plan someone, Lerriuqs?, posed before for Lathum when we thought he was the seer.

[Passacaglia]

Ah, got it. But how confident are we that Lathum was blocked by the BG? Maybe someone could have prevented him from doing an action?

[Autumn]

You're right, Pass, I'm not sure how much to trust that fact. Buying ourselves another scan would be nice though.

I guess if he's lying/incorrect, then the worst case is that we miss out on a scan tonight and have to wait 'til tomorrow, but the BG can guard someone else instead. So, not too bad of a deal.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

That's what hoops does too, only I find myself more likely to trust a hoopsguy claim post-wolf reveal than a Lathum one. Lathum is slimier. If hoops made this offer, who knows what I'd do, just for fun?

Time to bookmark this quote for future games ...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

You're right, Pass, I'm not sure how much to trust that fact. Buying ourselves another scan would be nice though.

I guess if he's lying/incorrect, then the worst case is that we miss out on a scan tonight and have to wait 'til tomorrow, but the BG can guard someone else instead. So, not too bad of a deal.

I guess the other worry is whether or not the Dark One has been reborn.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

for those that care, i just hit 80

gratz

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess the other worry is whether or not the Dark One has been reborn.

The last night write-up is more than a little suggestive on this subject...

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I'm particularly distrubed by how often RendeR is missing the rules. There wree several posts when I was in speak-less-ness that spoke to this.

Since when is me screwing up the rules anything knew?? =)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by MartinD

The last night write-up is more than a little suggestive on this subject...

Can you elaborate on that -- which part are you talking about? And what does it suggest?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Can you elaborate on that -- which part are you talking about? And what does it suggest?

Also, you're holding out on us -- I really think you should come out with what you know at this point.

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Morning comes and you feel a feeling you have not felt in a long time, a feeling of dread. There is a thick fog in the air, the air is thick, and it is not easy to breathe. For some reason you feel sick to your stomach. The smell of evil is in the air once again. You quickly grab your newspaper, making sure not to spend too much time outside alone.

...

Reading about the murder of Telle confirms the sickness you have felt in your stomach. It can’t be, can it? He can’t be back, he just can’t be.

This is what I mean by suggestive - OK, it could be just for atmosphere, but I don't think that Dubb is going to get creative on us like this for no reason.

[saldana]

i had a whole big post about how doomed i think we are at this point, but it became a rambling load of crap.

if for no other reason than to make myself feel better and to not have to listen to his gloating crap from prison

lynch lathum

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by MartinD

This is what I mean by suggestive - OK, it could be just for atmosphere, but I don't think that Dubb is going to get creative on us like this for no reason.

But you're definitely reading that because that's what you thought all along. Why?