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[Lathum]

i'm not sure why Chiefrum would choose Render to protect, although his judgement has been way off this game.

[twothree]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I can't offer any hard evidence that I'm Human. I CAN say that I was bored out of my mind listening to you all babble on and on in circles making no difference whatsoever and nearly getting lathum killed last night.

Just like Barkeep (the Replicant) got bored of us and our talking. That conversation last night convinced me that both Lathum and Chief Rum are human. I needed it.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by twothree

Just like Barkeep (the Replicant) got bored of us and our talking. That conversation last night convinced me that both Lathum and Chief Rum are human. I needed it.

I can understand that, and I'm glad it convinced you, but it wasn't doing much for the majority of people. I can't claim my move made it happen, but in the process of lathum/telle/alan questioning me, lathum came up with a way to verify himself that everyone can trust.

Thats all I'm saying really. My ploy wasn't logical, it wasn't even particularly smart, but it helped in the long run. Lynch me if you want, but I'm content that my efforts helped out and if i have to go, I go.

[twothree]

Alan T
Jonathan Ezarik
LoneStarGirl
path12

My scan tonight will be on one of these four. Anyone have any opinions on who I should scan tonight? I am thinking either Jonathan Ezarik or LoneStarGirl.

[twothree]

Originally Posted by Lathum

i'm not sure why Chiefrum would choose Render to protect, although his judgement has been way off this game.

It is also possible that the replicants have some sort of bodyguard or maybe a one time use bodyguard like ability. Can't wait to hear Chief Rum's information, when he logs in, probably right around when the vote will be due.

I think there are still 2 replicants left in the game, since Chief Rum saw two people attack me.

[twothree]

Originally Posted by twothree

I think there are still 2 replicants left in the game, since Chief Rum saw two people attack me.

Hmmm. Actually Barkeep would have been one of those 2 replicant that attacked me, so there might only be one left.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by twothree

Alan T
Jonathan Ezarik
LoneStarGirl
path12

My scan tonight will be on one of these four. Anyone have any opinions on who I should scan tonight? I am thinking either Jonathan Ezarik or LoneStarGirl.

I'd go with Alan T. He's been contributing quite a bit to the discussion, and I'd like to know whether or not we can trust him.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by twothree

Alan T
Jonathan Ezarik
LoneStarGirl
path12

My scan tonight will be on one of these four. Anyone have any opinions on who I should scan tonight? I am thinking either Jonathan Ezarik or LoneStarGirl.

I say the oppisite.

I say scan AlanT, he has coasted since day 2

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by twothree

Hmmm. Actually Barkeep would have been one of those 2 replicant that attacked me, so there might only be one left.

then who killed NTNdeacon?

[Lathum]

I just don't see a valid Reason for Render to do wjat he did if he was good.

If we lynch him at worst we lose a normal villager so IMO barring any other info it's the lowest risk proposition.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I just don't see a valid Reason for Render to do wjat he did if he was good.

If we lynch him at worst we lose a normal villager so IMO barring any other info it's the lowest risk proposition.

What do you consider valid then lathum? Somone had to snap you and chief and alan out of your self imposed privacy dome of an argument. Can you honestly say you'd have come up with the "moral dilemma" remark as a hint for telle without the distraction my post brought about?

[RendeR]

Just to clarify this:

I never received any PM for the night stuff, so whatever stopped twothree from killing me happened before he reached my location. I was oblivious to anything last night it would seem.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

What do you consider valid then lathum? Somone had to snap you and chief and alan out of your self imposed privacy dome of an argument. Can you honestly say you'd have come up with the "moral dilemma" remark as a hint for telle without the distraction my post brought about?

I actualy had been planig that move for quiet some time but had to wait until the time was right.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I actualy had been planig that move for quiet some time but had to wait until the time was right.

Why? that makes even less sense than my move?? Why would you purposely delay bringing out something that cleared you beyond a shadow of a doubt?

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I can understand that, and I'm glad it convinced you, but it wasn't doing much for the majority of people. I can't claim my move made it happen, but in the process of lathum/telle/alan questioning me, lathum came up with a way to verify himself that everyone can trust.

Thats all I'm saying really. My ploy wasn't logical, it wasn't even particularly smart, but it helped in the long run. Lynch me if you want, but I'm content that my efforts helped out and if i have to go, I go.

I would feel better about Lathum if cronin had been more sure of his cot, but cronin himself said his cot was only "remotely trusted". I've seen Lathum use a weak trust claim all the way to the end before, so color me skeptical.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

I would feel better about Lathum if cronin had been more sure of his cot, but cronin himself said his cot was only "remotely trusted". I've seen Lathum use a weak trust claim all the way to the end before, so color me skeptical.

so are you also disputing Telle's claim as well?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Why? that makes even less sense than my move?? Why would you purposely delay bringing out something that cleared you beyond a shadow of a doubt?

a number of reasons the least not wantting to give anyone who is bad information on what happens during scans

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so are you also disputing Telle's claim as well?

Can someone fill me in as to whether either the book or movie talks about "moral dilemmas"?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so are you also disputing Telle's claim as well?

BTW, I'm not saying you're at the top of my suspect list. I'm just saying you are not cleared in my book.

[Lathum]

you didn't answer my question about Telle.


and I have never read the book or seen the movie.

[Alan T]

Twothree, please scan me tonight by all means. The difference between me, LSG, jonathan and path is that I've been much more vocal. Scanning me will clear me and then we just have to decide between three under the radar players in LSG , path or Jonathan.
Also, while LSG has been my most likely vote for tommorrow up till now, Path is quickly moving up that list by adding doubt to people who seem pretty clear to me with Lathum and Chief.
Finally, voting Render, I don't think he sufficiently answered my questions, and I still think if he was good, he did nothing but hamper us which would have been his job if bad. I think he got caught when trying to make a move and it backfired on him.

Vote Render

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Can someone fill me in as to whether either the book or movie talks about "moral dilemmas"?

Yes and it relates directly to the tests for replicants.

Path, If you believe twothree si deckard, then you can't possibly doubt telle, as twothree scanned and cleared her.

If you then trust telle, she has vouched for lathum based on her PM information.

If you still doubt Lathum then I think you're simply sowing discontent and they should scan you.

[Lathum]

well I am out for now and will be until past the deadline and see no reason to change my vote.


Other the Render it's LSG and Path that i am suspiscous of.

[RendeR]

OK, I have kids to put down for naps and then I have to get ready for work.


There is no premise from which what I did was a GOOD idea, it was a gamble to break the deadlock everyone had fallen into of only looking at pathum alan and chief. For that it worked well enough.

You now have a CoT of 4 instead of 3 that you can rely on.

Twothree
Chief Rum
Telle
Lathum

Go ahead and lynch me. I can't convince you I'm Human, I can only wish you luck in figuring out who among the rest are the remaining replicants.

Tanglewood, if you can, please clarify how the replicants managed two attacks at night. Its odd that Deckard was attacked and ran away and ntn got killed on top of it.


So lets make it official:

VOTE RENDER
Maybe after that you all can get on with chasing the real replicants.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Twothree, please scan me tonight by all means. The difference between me, LSG, jonathan and path is that I've been much more vocal. Scanning me will clear me and then we just have to decide between three under the radar players in LSG , path or Jonathan.

FUCK, I get tired of this utr crap. You've got 4 more posts than me Alan!!

And say what you want about my not just rolling over about Lathum (not Chief, if you take a look I've said I thought he was likely exactly who he said he was).

Go ahead and scan me. I've got nothing to hide and no role to help with. So pardon me for trying to find out what the hell is going on.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Yes and it relates directly to the tests for replicants.

Path, If you believe twothree si deckard, then you can't possibly doubt telle, as twothree scanned and cleared her.

If you then trust telle, she has vouched for lathum based on her PM information.

If you still doubt Lathum then I think you're simply sowing discontent and they should scan you.

I've said it a few times. I trust Telle. I believe twothree is Deckard. I believe there is likely something about "moral dilemmas" in the PM.

I also believe that Lathum is a smart enough player to toss out a gambit like that and see if he got a bite. I'M NOT SAYING HE DID. But my whole point is that you are clearing him completely on that and I say that in itself is not enough for me.

[path12]

Originally Posted by path12

The bodyguard would recommend it because the bodyguard didn't want anyone at that point to know he was the bodyguard. I'm not at all convinced that Chief Rum is anything other than what he claims he is.

He also said he didn't want you to scan Barkeep because he already knew he was bad from the attempt on you.

I'm just throwing that out there for you to think about. I don't know what Rum is for sure, but you need to be really careful before possibly offing the only person that can really protect any of us.

Reposted for Alan's sake.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

FUCK, I get tired of this utr crap. You've got 4 more posts than me Alan!!

And say what you want about my not just rolling over about Lathum (not Chief, if you take a look I've said I thought he was likely exactly who he said he was).

Go ahead and scan me. I've got nothing to hide and no role to help with. So pardon me for trying to find out what the hell is going on.

I'm not sure.. did I hit a nerve?

[JHandley]

Originally Posted by path12

I see JHandley is in thread. Hope you sign up for a game soon.

Yeah, I caught AE's dynasty thread, so I figured I'd try to follow along on one to pick up the game better. It will definitely not be a non-reveal game because from my point of view, you fellas are just grasping at straws and you're 6 days into it.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by JHandley

Yeah, I caught AE's dynasty thread, so I figured I'd try to follow along on one to pick up the game better. It will definitely not be a non-reveal game because from my point of view, you fellas are just grasping at straws and you're 6 days into it.

No joke

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by JHandley

Yeah, I caught AE's dynasty thread, so I figured I'd try to follow along on one to pick up the game better. It will definitely not be a non-reveal game because from my point of view, you fellas are just grasping at straws and you're 6 days into it.

The good news is that we only do a game like this (non-reveal) every 6-9 months, so the vast majority don't fall under this category.

Of course, people find themselves grasping at straws in the reveal games as well from time to time

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm not sure.. did I hit a nerve?

It's just a tiring argument. I'm always in the top half of posts, and yet I'm always considered utr. It bugs me. Nothing personal.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

It's just a tiring argument. I'm always in the top half of posts, and yet I'm always considered utr. It bugs me. Nothing personal.

Maybe you should speak louder!

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Maybe you should speak louder!

*jumps up and down raising hand* I'm here! I'm here!

[Telle]

Well I'm heading home. Not sure how cooperative the little ones will be towards me getting on here again before deadline. So in case I don't get back...

Vote RendeR

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Telle

Well I'm heading home. Not sure how cooperative the little ones will be towards me getting on here again before deadline. So in case I don't get back...

Vote RendeR

Et Tu Telle?


Oh well, lets make it unanimous. EVERYBODY VOTE RENDER!

[RendeR]

Might as well vote nightfall as well.

Tangle is that an option?

[path12]

Just realized I hadn't voted yet.

VOTE RENDER

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay, vote Render

Like I said before, I welcome a scan!

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

show me where I said I wanted twothree to kill you, /i think I was pretty obvious about him killing LSG.. It is amazing the words you are trying to put in my mouth

Read what you quoted with this post. Read what was quoted in my post there. Take a reading comprehension course. Get back to me.

[Alan T]

Chief, can you speak any on what happened with Twothree's attempt to kill render last night?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I not 100% sold on CR

Oh please! Make the case against me. I dare you.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Chief, can you speak any on what happened with Twothree's attempt to kill render last night?

Still trying to catch up, so I haven't read reaction yet. But here's what happened. I chose to protect render in case he had accidentally outed himself as a seer. It seemed he might have important information. Lathum doesn't know anything beyond what he has already picked up (I mean, he has no role abilities to learn more that I am aware of), so it made no sense to protect him. It was a throw of the dice not protecting myself. I made a lot of daring the wolves to come after. So I figured they wouldn't do that. And I couldn't protect twothree, which would have been my first choice.

So I protected render on the sneaky play, thinking to stop wolves--not twothree.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, just got to tangle's post. The wolves went completely safe it seems. They weren't going to touch any of us. And now the only guy I can't protect has admitted he doesn't know squat.

Which, BTW, if Render had said that earlier, before I left for work, I would have pulled my protection of him.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by RendeR

If you really believe I am a replicant, send me to Mars.

Sounds good to me.

VOTE RENDER

[Chief Rum]

I have to get a quick vote in, but it doesn't seem to matter. I just don't see Render as a Replicant. It was an odd move, but I have seen those made before by perfectly normal villagers. Render did not go anywhere last night as I was BGing him, FWIW.

I know you all question that, but BK was lying about Night Three, and I didn't see him go anywhere, and st.cronin did nothing on Night Two, which twothree said he was unable to do anything that night.

I am going to go with someone not saying much of anything right now.

VOTE LSG

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Wow, just got to tangle's post. The wolves went completely safe it seems. They weren't going to touch any of us. And now the only guy I can't protect has admitted he doesn't know squat.

Which, BTW, if Render had said that earlier, before I left for work, I would have pulled my protection of him.

I'm a little confused here CR.

If they weren't going to touch any of us, how is it that NTN is umm...dead?

And who are you talking about in the next line? who is it you can't protect?

[RendeR]

Since Chief Rum actually defended me last night I'm going to take his lead at least and change my vote.(like it matters)

UNVOTE RENDER

VOTE LSG

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I have to get a quick vote in, but it doesn't seem to matter. I just don't see Render as a Replicant. It was an odd move, but I have seen those made before by perfectly normal villagers. Render did not go anywhere last night as I was BGing him, FWIW.

I know you all question that, but BK was lying about Night Three, and I didn't see him go anywhere, and st.cronin did nothing on Night Two, which twothree said he was unable to do anything that night.

I am going to go with someone not saying much of anything right now.

VOTE LSG

I think I'm gonna go along with Chief Rum on this. I think RendeR did something stupid, but I think he would have to unbelievably stupid to try and pull that stunt as a replicant. So I'll jump on the LSG bandwagon. She's been unusually quiet in this game (as compared to the only other WW game that I've followed along on.. so I'm not really going on much here).

Unvote RendeR

Vote LSG

[RendeR]

Ahh well, woulda been nice if more then 3 people whoed up near the deadline to see what was happening.

Which way to mars?