WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!)

[RendeR]

Ok, you've convinced me well enough.


UNVOTE GRF

VOTE LATHUM

[jeheinz72]

Here's what I have as far as votes...feel free to mention anything that's incorrect

Lathum (6): DaddyTorgo (1617), Alan T (1620), hoopsguy (1623), GRF (1626), Neon Chaos (1646), RendeR (1651)
GRF (3): Jackal (1570), Lathum (1625), Mauboy1 (1627)
Mauboy1 (2): Chief Rum (1637), Barkeep49 (1641)

Not Voting (5): claphamsa, Thomkal, path12, Schmidty, Mr. Wednesday

[Barkeep49]

The more I think about it the more Lathum's story doesn't seem to add up. Intercepting of PMs IS a cool ability and one I would love to see in a game, but it just doesn't seem like this is that game.

Unvote Mau
Vote Lathum

[Alan T]

Schmidty's reveal lets us know that Lathum can indeed intercept PMs though.. He just lied about which ones he intercepted and how often he can do it.. (Also didn't mention the part about it having the side effect of sending a spam advertisement to the person whom he intecepted the PM from).

As far as we know, here is what Lathum's actions have been thus far:

Day 1 ???
Day 2 Blocked me
Day 3 Blocked Thomkal
Day 4 Blocked Thomkal


At no point does it appear he "blocked" NFG.. thus his "outing" of NFG was a bogus attempt to gain trust. It also still leaves a hole for the day 1 action .. so right now I am guessing that Lathum was the one who killed ntndeacon the first night with a gun. This also helps me feel a bit better about Claphasma's reveal as well.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Schmidty's reveal lets us know that Lathum can indeed intercept PMs though.. He just lied about which ones he intercepted and how often he can do it.. (Also didn't mention the part about it having the side effect of sending a spam advertisement to the person whom he intecepted the PM from).

As far as we know, here is what Lathum's actions have been thus far:

Day 1 ???
Day 2 Blocked me
Day 3 Blocked Thomkal
Day 4 Blocked Thomkal


At no point does it appear he "blocked" NFG.. thus his "outing" of NFG was a bogus attempt to gain trust. It also still leaves a hole for the day 1 action .. so right now I am guessing that Lathum was the one who killed ntndeacon the first night with a gun. This also helps me feel a bit better about Claphasma's reveal as well.

How did Schmidty reveal that?

[Alan T]

During his reveal, he learned the following power, so we know that not only is it in the game, but it was used by someone that night.

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Night 4 power learned: Class A power - Ability to control any kind of technology. Every night, I can intercept communication from one chosen player to another if they get one, and I get it instead of them. If I do get the message, the other player simply gets a Yahoo spam messag from the GM.

Which of course is Lathum's role reveal with a few minor changes that implicate him pretty badly as a bad guy.

[RendeR]

I have a question.

Has anyone else had their powers labeled "class A B or any other letter?"

My abilities were not labeled as such in any way. I'm wondering if anyone else's powers came with labels.

[Barkeep49]

Alan:

There's a difference though. Lathum claims to intercepted player to player communication not GM to player communication.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I have a question.

Has anyone else had their powers labeled "class A B or any other letter?"

My abilities were not labeled as such in any way. I'm wondering if anyone else's powers came with labels.

Mine did not either.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Alan:

There's a difference though. Lathum claims to intercepted player to player communication not GM to player communication.

I should clarify. I don't believe Lathum has claimed this. However, the intercepted PM clearly was not something a GM would send to a player.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I have a question.

Has anyone else had their powers labeled "class A B or any other letter?"

My abilities were not labeled as such in any way. I'm wondering if anyone else's powers came with labels.

Mine didn't either. I'm assuming that is a labeling that is done betwen jeheinz and Schmidty as part of his role.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Alan:

There's a difference though. Lathum claims to intercepted player to player communication not GM to player communication.

I think Lathum claimed that Jeheinz sent him the communication from NFG to someone else. Which based on Schmidty's reveal I still think is a fib about his power. I feel Lathum was trying to do a reveal that would gain him a good amount of trust, and Schmidty's reveal blew it apart.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Mine didn't either. I'm assuming that is a labeling that is done betwen jeheinz and Schmidty as part of his role.

Why are you assuming this and why do you seem to accept schmidty as a hero? I've not heard anything compelling that clears schmidty, or have I missed something?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Why are you assuming this and why do you seem to accept schmidty as a hero? I've not heard anything compelling that clears schmidty, or have I missed something?

Just a hunch that I have based on his reveal, and what type of information that he provided in it. It seems like its a role that would be in the game, the description of the role as per Schmidty is pretty close to what I would imagine said role having, and he gave powers that were in the game that can out him in time if he was really lying.

All of that to me adds up as a good reveal that I can put weight behind.

[Lathum]

I can't believe you are all letting Alan lead you by your noses.

Did anyone evr consider the fact that JEHeinze know peoples roles and that he couls make up a sampla of a PM sent in?

Did anyone ever consider the fact that there have been MULTIPLE players in the game with similar abilities, but Alant tells you I must be the only one with my ability, even though the rules clearly state that other abilities are available.

Doesn't anyone think it's fishy that I revealed way earlier then Grey ot Mauboy and on of them may be sylar?

Reread Alan's posts, he has done nothing but contradict himself by saying Schmidty must have inhereted my power, yet says there are many people with offsetting powers.

And to claim if the GM was carbin copied on PM's is pretty meta-gamey if you ask me. He couls easily make something up based on the players roles.

I can't say much more, there are better candidates and we have plenty of seer type roles. scan me tonight.

Other then that I'm out, I have alot going on today.

[Alan T]

Sorry to say it Lathum, but Schmidty learning the role that is able to control pretty much any kind of technology is mainly Micah. The only person in this game that has revealed a role that possibly could also do something like that would be Neon and his youtube communication, but since he's proven the youtube part with conversation with The Jackal, plus Neon was instrumental in the lynching of Ardent.. I'm willing to give Neon a bit more leeway than you here.

The only other option is that out of the 5 or so people whom haven't had some sort of verifyable showing of their ability , we've had 2 fake reveals.. 1 being Sylar and the other being someone who really is Hana but fake revealed as someone else. It makes no sense for someone as Hana to do a fake reveal for the reasons I previously illustrated...

So in the end it really just ends up being you had a real good story and fake reveal and it would have worked if not for everyone doing the mass reveal the next day.

[Lathum]

OMg Alan, have you ever considered a member of the company has that ability or similar and just didn't mention it?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

OMg Alan, have you ever considered a member of the company has that ability or similar and just didn't mention it?

Yeah, I did. I'm thinking that person is you

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, here is my question on Grey:

Why would NFG (known Company) try to push the heat over to Grey (suspected Company) on Day 3 after they had lost Ardent already?

It's the same question that I've got with Lathum - I don't see the Company racing to push each other under the bus on Days 3 and 4 when they are quickly moving to a disadvantage situation. It is why my vote on Lathum isn't dead-set at this point, but I'm just about positive it isn't going to Grey today.

If I'm picking the person that I think is playing most against their type so far this game it is Mauboy - very conservative/quiet game from a guy that I haven't seen play that way in the past as a villager. But I'm not pushing this hard quite yet ... just noting that I want him in the mix of people to view over the next day or two.

I agree with you on this..... but Im nto sur eI wanna vote mau when it wort matter.

[claphamsa]

ugh

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Yeah, I did. I'm thinking that person is you

except I did mention it.

I don't know what else I can do or say. Lynch me, I don't care anymore.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

except I did mention it.

I don't know what else I can do or say. Lynch me, I don't care anymore.

What you mentioned was a power that seemed plausible but had some holes that Narcizo found in the description of how the communication from NFG to whomever was given to you. Your initial defense to that was that wolves likely had to copy the GM on communications, but Neon punched a hole through that as the GM is not required to be copied on other party to party PM.. then your next defense was that the GM was making up a possible or plausible PM that might have been sent from NFG that he passed on to you..

I haven't played in a Jeheinz game before, but I don't really see it a likely possibility that the GM is making up possible thoughts that another player might have had and might or might not have sent and then gave that to you stating it as fact..

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I can't believe you are all letting Alan lead you by your noses.

Did anyone evr consider the fact that JEHeinze know peoples roles and that he couls make up a sampla of a PM sent in?

Did anyone ever consider the fact that there have been MULTIPLE players in the game with similar abilities, but Alant tells you I must be the only one with my ability, even though the rules clearly state that other abilities are available.

Doesn't anyone think it's fishy that I revealed way earlier then Grey ot Mauboy and on of them may be sylar?

Reread Alan's posts, he has done nothing but contradict himself by saying Schmidty must have inhereted my power, yet says there are many people with offsetting powers.

And to claim if the GM was carbin copied on PM's is pretty meta-gamey if you ask me. He couls easily make something up based on the players roles.

I can't say much more, there are better candidates and we have plenty of seer type roles. scan me tonight.

Other then that I'm out, I have alot going on today.

The problem is Lathum is that you were seen at a computer if we are to believe the person who revealed that. There certainly could be another character out there who has the power Alan and others are claiming you have, but so far you've been the only character actually seen at a computer. That at least has to make you a suspect to be the character with that power. I think I'd like to see you survive the night so you could be scanned, but I certainly understand why people are voting for you.

[Alan T]

In case I meet my demise tonight, I'm still leaning towards believeing that DaddyTorgo might be the next company member after Lathum. It would answer the question regarding what happened on night 3 fairly well. I don't really understand why he would vote for Lathum where he did other than trying to gain trust.

If I was presenting this huge thought stating that I felt player X was company, and you were company as well... and you wern't company, wouldn't that draw into question in your mind that perhaps my reasoning wasn't sound about player X as well? But in this case DaddyTorgo voted for Lathum even before I did likely to get ahead of the curve.

I'm not sold on this yet, but its where I am leaning right now.. We definitly do need to answer some questions tonight if possible regarding Grey and perhaps a quieter person like Mauboy.. but I'm not really sure what to make of mauboy so far.. We know he wasn't responsible for the night 1 kill based on Sndvls' reveal.. but really that is almost all we know about him other than his character and supposed ability. Part of me is telling myself that he is just quieter because he doesn't want to put his foot into his mouth and get voted out like he did in the previous two games I played with him.. but Hoops is right, we probably should look into him a bit more at some point.

[claphamsa]

eh

vote mau

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I had asked our moderator about communicating outside of PMs, since I can chat with Clap. He said that it was fine to do so.

[Alan T]

Right now with claphasma's vote, it looks like:

(7) lathum
(3) Grey
(2) mauboy

Correct?

[mauchow]

If and when the time comes I'd like to ask you guys to at least keep the vote a tie on me so then I can prove my innocence.

[Alan T]

Another person to toss into the mix that someone who can judge allegiances should possibly scan would be Barkeep.

I know he isn't Sylar, but am wondering if he might be company. He defended both Cronin and Ardent, and only hopped onto Lathum when it seemed like a done deal that Lathum is getting lynched. I don't know if scanning Barkeep is as high priority as some of the others though.. I know he can bodyguard people... just wondering why would a company member need a bodyguard? To protect against sylar or heroes with night actions? Maybe he is a good hero and just chose poor sides to argue for earlier in the game is all.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

If and when the time comes I'd like to ask you guys to at least keep the vote a tie on me so then I can prove my innocence.

I don't see how having a tiebreaker role really proves that you are a good guy or not.

[Schmidty]

Vote Lathum

[jeheinz72]

Lathum (8): DaddyTorgo (1617), Alan T (1620), hoopsguy (1623), GRF (1626), Neon Chaos (1646), RendeR (1651), Barkeep (1653)
GRF (3): Jackal (1570), Lathum (1625), Mauboy1 (1627), Schmidty (1680)
Mauboy1 (2): Chief Rum (1637), claphamsa (1675)

Not Voting (3): Thomkal, path12, Mr. Wednesday

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't see how having a tiebreaker role really proves that you are a good guy or not.

It does depend on how Heinz releases that information, I guess. Elle Bishop(Mau) the hero has decided to save himself by adding a vote onto "such and such" to avoid being lynched.

If it was said like that, then you'd trust me, I imagine.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Lathum (8): DaddyTorgo (1617), Alan T (1620), hoopsguy (1623), GRF (1626), Neon Chaos (1646), RendeR (1651), Barkeep (1653)
GRF (3): Jackal (1570), Lathum (1625), Mauboy1 (1627), Schmidty (1680)
Mauboy1 (2): Chief Rum (1637), claphamsa (1675)

Not Voting (3): Thomkal, path12, Mr. Wednesday

I think you have Schmidty's vote in the wrong row, but the totals added correctly.

[Thomkal]

well I'd really like to be able to use my spy power today, so it probably makes the more sense for me to vote for Lathum rather than Grey.

VOTE LATHUM

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

It does depend on how Heinz releases that information, I guess. Elle Bishop(Mau) the hero has decided to save himself by adding a vote onto "such and such" to avoid being lynched.

If it was said like that, then you'd trust me, I imagine.

Yeah, if Jeheinz comes out and announces someone is a hero, then I'll trust it. For some reason, I'm guessing he won't exactly do a vote write up that way though for the person who lives. Perhaps for the person who dies though, he would

[jeheinz72]

Thanks Alan

Lathum (9): DaddyTorgo (1617), Alan T (1620), hoopsguy (1623), GRF (1626), Neon Chaos (1646), RendeR (1651), Barkeep (1653), Schmidty (1680), Thomkal (1685)
GRF (3): Jackal (1570), Lathum (1625), Mauboy1 (1627)
Mauboy1 (2): Chief Rum (1637), claphamsa (1675)

Not Voting (2): path12, Mr. Wednesday

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Alan T

What you mentioned was a power that seemed plausible but had some holes that Narcizo found in the description of how the communication from NFG to whomever was given to you. Your initial defense to that was that wolves likely had to copy the GM on communications, but Neon punched a hole through that as the GM is not required to be copied on other party to party PM..

Metacomment: Alan, you and I both know (having been wolves in such a game before) that it's not unheard-of for the GM to ask to be copied on all wolf PMs. I was not asked to copy the GM on my discussions with Ando, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not being copied by the wolves.

[Mr. Wednesday]

With the runaway in full effect, I'm going to just toss a vote elsewhere.

VOTE mauboy1

[hoopsguy]

Alan, it sounds like you have at least started to do some vote analysis - do you have a day-by-day chart with this kind of information? If so, I would love to have you post it so I don't have to go thread-diving to pull one together.

Obviously if someone else has this handy besides Alan then please share.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Metacomment: Alan, you and I both know (having been wolves in such a game before) that it's not unheard-of for the GM to ask to be copied on all wolf PMs. I was not asked to copy the GM on my discussions with Ando, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not being copied by the wolves.

So Lathum's power only works if he uses it on a wolf? Just doesn't add up. It was a very likely power to have in this game but the facts on the ground don't seem to support it the way Lathum claims to have used it.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, it sounds like you have at least started to do some vote analysis - do you have a day-by-day chart with this kind of information? If so, I would love to have you post it so I don't have to go thread-diving to pull one together.

Obviously if someone else has this handy besides Alan then please share.

Day 1:


No Lynch (14): Alan T (167), mauboy (169), Cronin (172), NTNDeacon (174), Schmidty (176), DaddyTorgo (182), Ardent Enthusiast (186), Jackal (197), NeonChaos (202), RendeR (203), Chief Rum (208), Barkeep49 (241), Path12 (264), oliegirl (269)
The Jackal (5): hoopsguy (198), nfg22 (199), Mr. Wednesday (205), Narcizo (209), Lathum (239)
RendeR (2): claphamsa (90), Greyroofoo (94)
Alan T (1): Passacaglia (146)
Mauboy1 (1): SnDvls (200)



Day 2:

Ardent (7): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518), Jackal (612), Neon Chaos (618), hoopsguy (N/A)

Jackal (5): nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529), Mr. Wednesday (565), Greyroofoo (597)

Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530)

Thomkal (3): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474)

No Lynch (3): Narcizo (445), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)


Day 3:

St. Cronin (9): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109), Mr. W (1129), Neon (1149)
Mr. Wednesday (5) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106), Greyroofoo (1130)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010),
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Day 4:

No votes: Render, NFG

NFG (17): everyone else

[Alan T]

Sorry, that didn't come out all pretty colors.. I'll redo it with the colors

[Alan T]

Day 1:


No Lynch (14): Alan T (167), mauboy (169), Cronin (172), NTNDeacon (174), Schmidty (176), DaddyTorgo (182), Ardent Enthusiast (186), Jackal (197), NeonChaos (202), RendeR (203), Chief Rum (208), Barkeep49 (241), Path12 (264), oliegirl (269)
The Jackal (5): hoopsguy (198), nfg22 (199), Mr. Wednesday (205), Narcizo (209), Lathum (239)
RendeR (2): claphamsa (90), Greyroofoo (94)
Alan T (1): Passacaglia (146)
Mauboy1 (1): SnDvls (200)



Day 2:

Ardent (7): St. Cronin (328), SnDvls (487), Alan T (512), Oliegirl (518), Jackal (612), Neon Chaos (618), hoopsguy (N/A)

Jackal (5): nfg22 (498), Thomkal (520), Barkeep (529), Mr. Wednesday (565), Greyroofoo (597)

Neon Chaos (4): mauboy1 (471), RendeR (499), path12 (511), Daddy Torgo (530)

Thomkal (3): claphamsa (318), Chief Rum (434), Lathum (474)

No Lynch (3): Narcizo (445), Ardent (452), Schmidty (488)


Day 3:

St. Cronin (9): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109), Mr. W (1129), Neon (1149)
Mr. Wednesday (5) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106), Greyroofoo (1130)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010),
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Day 4:

No votes: Render, NFG

NFG (17): everyone else

[Alan T]

A note about Day 2 that should be mentioned. hoopsguy's vote was on Jackal, but moved due to Jackal's ability to Ardent.

[Alan T]

Quintriple dola?

Anyways.. another note.. this doesn't show all of the vote swapping that happened on days 2 and 3.. for instance there are some interesting things to note on day 2 where you could argue some people might have tried to save Ardent.. like DaddyTorgo's vote placement and Mr.Wednesday's vote placement.. I'm currently leaning towards Mr.W being ok, but DT I'm not sure on yet.

[Alan T]

Sextuple dola?

Also on day 3, there were alot more people who were voting for Grey that moved off onto Cronin closer to the end Im assuming to avoid his power of killing someone that voted for him..

I'm actually interested in seeing that power work.. that might be something that could help me feel you aren't Sylar in fact... Grey, would love to see you kill someone that votes for you today. Would love to see how jeheinz describes it in the write up, and would like to see if there is another Sylar kill that accompanies it. That might be the only thing that saves you from my vote tommorrow in fact.

[Alan T]

Grey, right now the votes on you are Jackal, Lathum and Mauboy.. Im guessing Lathum will get lynched here.. so if you are actually a hero and not Sylar, I don't think anyone other than Mauboy would have any problem with you using your power on Mauboy today to take a shot on his allegiance, plus to demonstrate your power.

Otherwise I'll assume its just another lie on your part to try to keep people from voting for you.

[jeheinz72]

With 36 minutes to deadline...

Lathum (9): DaddyTorgo (1617), Alan T (1620), hoopsguy (1623), GRF (1626), Neon Chaos (1646), RendeR (1651), Barkeep (1653), Schmidty (1680), Thomkal (1685)
GRF (3): Jackal (1570), Lathum (1625), Mauboy1 (1627)
Mauboy1 (3): Chief Rum (1637), claphamsa (1675), Mr. W (1689

Not Voting (1): path12

[path12]

I don't have any problem with the votes on Lathum, my current thinking is that he, Barkeep and DT are the most likely company members out there. However, to prevent a total runaway and feeling pretty confident that Grey is Sylar I don't see any problem with putting my vote there and letting our spys do some more work on the company.

VOTE GREYROOFOO