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08-13-2011, 01:16 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2009
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08-13-2011, 05:39 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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DAY ONE
#67 22:03 Lathum votes Heinz (1) #72 22:47 EagleFan votes Autumn (0) #75 23:27 Barkeep votes EagleFan (1) #80 00:30 Ntndeacon votes Danny (1) #90 02:30 Narcizo votes Lathum (1) #94 04:06 mckerney votes ntndeacon (1) #97 07:03 Hoops votes EagleFan (2) #106 09:36 Autumn votes Chubby (1) #117 10:11 Bhlloy votes Chubby (2) #126 10:52 Lathum unvotes Heinz (0) #126 10:52 Lathum votes Danny (2) #134 11:25 MrBug votes Zinto (1) #147 11:47 Racer voes Thomkal (1) #150 12:47 Heinz votes Racer (1) #165 13:32 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1) #165 13:32 EageFan votes Chubby (3) #171 13:55 Zinto votes Lathum (2) #174 14:20 Autumn unvotes Chubby (2) #174 14:20 Autumn votes EagleFan (3) #178 15:03 Telle votes Autumn (0) #195 16:02 Chubby votes Lathum (3) #204 16:53 Lathum unvotes Danny (1) #204 16:53 Lathum votes Chubby (3) #205 16:53 Telle unvotes Autumn (-1) #205 16:53 Telle votes Danny (2) #217 17:11 Heinz unvotes Racer (0) #217 17:11 Heinz votes Danny (3) #222 17:38 Racer unvotes Thomkal (0) #222 17:38 Racer votes EagleFan (4) #224 17:40 Thomkal votes Lathum (4) #236 18:18 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (4) #238 18:21 Dubb93 votes Danny (4) #270 19:42 mau votes Danny (5) #271 19:45 mau unvotes Danny (4) #273 19:45 mau votes Chubby (5) #276 19:46 J23 votes EagleFan (5) #294 21:02 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (4) #297 21:07 EagleFan votes Autumn (0) #300 21:13 Lathum unvotes Chubby (3) #300 21:13 Lathum votes EagleFan (6) #307 21:25 Racer unvotes EagleFan (5) #307 21:25 Racer votes Danny (5) #308 21:33 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1) #308 21:33 EagleFan votes Danny (6) #309 21:34 Lathum unvotes EagleFan (4) #309 21:34 Lathum votes Chubby (4) #310 21:34 Danny votes EagleFan (5) #320 21:48 Zinto unvotes Lathum (3) #320 21:48 Zinto votes Danny (7) #324 21:51 Danny unvotes EagleFan (4) #324 21:51 Danny votes Chubby (5) #344 22:00 Chubby unvotes Lathum (2) #344 22:00 Chubby votes EagleFan (5) #346 22:00 Danny unvotes Chubby (4) #346 22:00 Danny votes EagleFan (6) Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320) EagleFan 6: Barkeep49 (75), hoopsguy (97), Autumn (174), J23 (276), Chubby (344), Danny (346) Chubby 4: bhlloy (117), Darth Vilus (236), mauboy1 (273), Lathum (309) Lathum 2: Narcizo (90), Thomkal (224) ntndeacon 1: mckerney (94) Zinto 1: MrBug708 (134) |
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08-13-2011, 05:42 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Day Two
#403 22:30 Chubby votes Lathum (1) #429 22:51 Autumn votes Danny (1) #470 05:58 Narcizo votes Mauboy (1) #492 09:01 Danny votes Heinz (1) #494 09:15 Zinto votes Danny (2) #499 09:21 Barkeep votes Danny (3) #501 09:32 Lathum votes Chubby (1) #502 09:43 Bhlloy votes MrBug (1) #508 09:59 Narcizo unvotes Mau (0) #514 10:27 Danny Fake Reveals #525 10:48 Autumn unvotes Danny (2) #553 11:08 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (1) #535 11:14 Heinz votes Racer (1) #581 12:25 Bhlloy unvotes MrBug (0) #583 12:31 EagleFan votes Lathum (2) #607 13:17 Narcizo votes ntndeacon (1) #609 13:27 Racer votes J23 (1) #610 13:30 Zinto unvotes Danny (1) #620 13:49 Zinto votes J23 (2) #644 14:24 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (2) #652 14:37 Barkeep unvotes Danny (0) #652 14:37 Barkeep votes Chubby (3) #656 14:40 ntndeacon votes Heinz (2) #670 15:09 EagleFan unvotes Lathum (1) #670 15:09 EagleFan votes Chubby (4) #675 15:16 mckerney votes Chubby (5) #681 15:37 Autumn unvotes DV (0) #681 15:37 Autumn votes Heinz (3) #685 15:58 Barkeep unvotes Chubby (4) #690 16:21 Heinz unvotes Racer (0) #690 16:21 Heinz votes Chubby (5) #694 16:38 Chubby Semi-Reveals #694 16:38 Chubby unvotes Lathum (0) #694 16:38 Chubby votes Danny (1) #696 16:40 Heinz unvotes Chubby (4) #696 16:40 Heinz votes ntn (2) #700 16:53 J23 votes Danny (2) #704 16:57 Zinto unvotes J23 (1) #705 16:59 Autumn unvotes Heinz (2) #705 16:59 Autumn votes Danny (3) #709 17:06 NTN unvotes Heinz (1) #709 17:06 NTN votes Chubby (5) #713 17:14 Zinto votes Danny (4) #714 17:22 Mau votes Danny (5) #722 17:31 Racer unvotes J23 (0) #734 17:49 Racer votes Hoops (1) #743 18:05 Hoops votes Danny (6) #768 18:50 Racer unvotes Hoops (0) #768 18:50 Racer votes Chubby (6) #769 18:58 Barkeep votes Danny (7) #774 19:04 Racer unvotes Chubby (5) #777 19:15 Danny unvotes Heinz (0) #777 19:15 Danny votes Chubby (6) #782 19:21 Racer votes Lathum (1) #786 19:26 NTN unvotes Chubby (5) #787 19:27 NTN votes Heinz (1) #809 21:00 Telle votes NTN (3) #810 21:01 Racer unvotes Lathum (0) #817 21:09 Bhlloy votes Chubby (6) #818 21:09 Racer votes NTN (4) #852 21:46 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (5) #863 21:53 Lathum unvotes Chubby (4) #863 21:53 Lathum votes Danny (8) #865 21:55 Racer unvotes NTN (3) #865 21:55 Racer votes Danny (9) #867 21:55 EagleFan votes Danny (10) #871 21:58 Thomkal votes Danny (11) #874 21:58 MrBug votes Danny (12) Danny 12 - Chubby (694), J23 (700), Autumn (706), Zinto (713), mauboy1 (714), hoopsguy (744), Barkeep49 (769), Lathum (863), Racer (865), EagleFan (867), Thomkal (871), MrBug708 (874) Chubby 4 - Darth Vilus (644), mckerney (675), Danny (777), bhlloy (817) ntndeacon 3 - Narcizo (607), jeheinz72 (694), Telle (809) jeheinz72 1 - ntndeacon (787) Last edited by Narcizo : 08-13-2011 at 05:43 AM. |
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08-13-2011, 05:44 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Day Three
#934 05:18 Chubby votes Lathum (1) #940 07:46 Narcizo votes Darth Vilus (1) #942 07:57 Heinz votes ntndeacon (1) #950 09:22 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (2) #957 09:39 Autumn unvotes Darth Vilus (1) #957 09:39 Autumn votes Barkeep (1) #966 10:42 Racer votes Barkeep (2) #974 10:56 Thomkal votes Lathum (2) #988 11:14 ntndeacon votes Lathum (3) #1012 13:50 MrBug votes Lathum (4) #1024 14:18 Zinto votes ntndeacon (2) #1030 15:08 Barkeep votes Darth Vilus (2) #1035 15:58 EagleFan votes Lathum (5) #1049 16:51 mckerney votes Darth Vilus (3) #1065 17:36 J23 votes Darth Vilus (4) #1076 17:52 Lathum votes Darth Vilus (5) #1099 19:25 Darth Vilus votes Lathum (6) #1108 20:04 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (1) #1108 20:04 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (6) #1110 20:08 Racer unvotes Barkeep (0) #1110 20:08 Racer votes Darth Vilus (7) #1111 20:10 Racer unvotes Darth Vilus (6) #1111 20:10 Racer votes Barkeep (1) #1114 20:11 Autumn unvotes Darth Vilus (5) #1114 20:11 Autumn votes Barkeep (2) #1117 20:12 Zinto unvotes ntn (1) #1117 20:12 Zinto votes Barkeep (3) #1119 20:25 Darth Vilus unvotes Lathum (5) #1119 20:25 Darth Vilus votes Barkeep (4) #1129 20:44 Lathum unvotes DV (4) #1129 20:44 Lathum votes Barkeep (5) #1136 20:50 ntn unvotes Lathum (4) #1136 20:50 ntn votes DV (5) #1140 20:53 Lathum unvotes Barkeep (4) #1140 20:53 Lathum votes DV (6) #1153 21:04 mau votes Barkeep (5) #1188 21:30 Darth Vilus unvotes Barkeep (4) #1188 21:30 Darth Vilus votes Lathum (5) #1200 21:42 Hoops votes Darth Vilus (7) #1202 21:43 Telle votes Lathum (6) #1204 21:44 Racer unvotes Barkeep (3) #1204 21:44 Racer votes Darth Vilus (8) #1206 21:46 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (2) #1206 21:46 Autumn votes Lathum (7) #1223 21:52 Zinto unvotes Barkeep (1) #1223 21:52 Zinto votes DV (9) #1229 21:53 Chubby unvotes Lathum (6) #1229 21:53 Chubby votes DV (10) Darth Vilus 10 - Narcizo (940), Barkeep49 (1030), mckerney (1049), J23 (1065), ntndeacon (1136), Lathum (1140), hoopsguy (1200), Racer (1204), Zinto (1223), Chubby (1229) Lathum 6 - Thomkal (974), MrBug708 (1012), EagleFan (1035), Darth Vilus (1188), Telle (1202), Autumn (1206) Barkeep49 1 - mauboy1 (1153) ntndeacon 1 - jeheinz72 (942) |
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08-13-2011, 06:13 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Day Four
#1348 09:37 Autumn votes Barkeep (1) #1349 09:39 Narcizo votes Thomkal (1) #1374 11:57 EagleFan votes Hoops (1) #1385 12:47 Barkeep votes Hoops (2) #1395 12:56 Hoops votes Autumn (1) #1399 13:15 Barkeep unvotes Hoops (1) #1399 13:15 Barkeep votes Autumn (2) #1405 13:43 Lathum votes Autumn (3) #1406 13:45 EagleFan unvotes Hoops (0) #1406 13:45 EagleFan votes Barkeep (2) #1413 14:05 Zinto votes Thomkal (2) #1415 14:27 Heinz votes Thomkal (3) #1441 16:09 Racer votes Thomkal (4) #1461 17:53 ntn votes Autumn (4) #1471 18:21 mauboy votes Autumn (5) #1481 19:02 Chubby votes Telle (1) #1482 19:02 mckerney votes Autumn (6) #1496 19:26 MrBug votes Telle (2) #1504 20:44 Thomkal votes Telle (3) #1506 20:49 EagleFan unvotes Barkeep (1) #1506 20:49 EagleFan votes Telle (4) #1512 21:09 Barkeep unvotes Autumn (5) #1512 21:09 Barkeep votes Telle (5) #1514 21:10 Autumn unvotes Barkeep (0) #1514 21:10 Autumn votes Telle (6) #1517 21:16 Telle votes Autumn (6) #1529 21:26 Autumn unvotes Telle (5) #1530 21:26 Lathum unvotes Autumn (5) #1530 21:26 Lathum votes Telle (6) #1537 21:34 Autumn votes Thomkal (5) #1541 21:35 Telle unvotes Autumn (4) #1541 21:35 Telle votes Thomkal (6) #1560 21:46 EagleFan unvotes Telle (5) #1576 21:53 Lathum unvotes Telle (4) #1576 21:53 Lathum votes Thomkal (7) #1585 21:55 EagleFan votes Thomkal (8) #1592 21:59 Mauboy unvotes Autumn (3) #1592 21:59 Mauboy votes Thomkal (9) Thomkal 9 - Narcizo (1349), Zinto (1413), jeheinz72 (1415), Racer (1441), Autumn (1537), Telle (1541), Lathum (1576), EagleFan (1585), mauboy1 (1592) Telle 4 - Chubby (1481), MrBug708 (1496), Thomkal (1504), Barkeep49 (1512) Autumn 3 - hoopsguy (1395), ntndeacon (1463), mckerney (1482) |
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08-13-2011, 06:16 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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There are times when I really, really regret not being around at deadline. This would be one of them. Hard to see anywhere to vote other than Telle or Autumn after that. Sorry Thomkal. Glad you made it to Valhalla. Having another person we can trust should be a big help. I think you should cast a vote along with the rest of us, even if it doesn't count really. And that that vote be considered a tie-breaker if votes are near so if the vote is tied or close with 5 minutes left people move the way Thomkal has voted.
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08-13-2011, 06:39 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I see we haven't much headway with pinning down the items. Makes me think that there aren't many others out there or the wolves have been keeping them all the while.
OK then the Hammer. My interpretation of the rules is that there are no items not mentioned at the start of the game. The fake hammer has to be considered an item, in my view. So it can't have started in the game. I don't see any mention of anyone seeing the real hammer until Racer received it. So it looks like my theory that DV had it when he died is the most viable. I've got to admit that I'm worried because we don't know everything and if Telle is a villager then the logical course of action is to lynch me and I know that I'm a villager. Telle - why did she reveal having it if she's a wolf and a wolf created the fake hammer? I think the fake was created as a trap. I think it's very possible that Telle voted for two wolves on day one - the two wolves most likely to be scanned. The wolves would expect this to get her a lot of trust. So the fake is handed off to me. Somewhere along the line it's going to turn out that that one is the fake. As soon as someone mentions that they have the hammer the wolves can have their most trusted member come out and say "Wait a minute! I've got the hammer!" If no-one claims the hammer on day one, there's no way you're going to be able to frame anyone with it. Telle letting it go randomly gives the wolves the chance to pick who they want to claim to have received the hammer on day two. My guess is that they were hoping that someone would mention having the hammer on day two or three, not to have it go on to day four and then have DV die with the real hammer. Talk about sucky luck for them. Case against me. I could have created the fake hammer and passed it on to Hoops. I'd have to be batshit insane to lead the charge against the wolf I know had the hammer on day three. But hey, I like to complicate things. Case against Hoops. I don't think there is one and I've been thinking about it because we all know how dangerous Hoops can be. But why would he hand the fake hammer off to Chubby knowing that the wolf holding the real hammer was in danger of being lynched. And why would he put a key vote down on the wolf who has the hammer. Other options. The only one I can see is that two hammers existed in the game at the start and wolves/dead villagers have been holding onto one of them. The wolves are able to somehow steal the hammer and replace it with an illusionary one. Seems a bit far-fetched. |
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08-13-2011, 07:27 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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OK I've exercised my paranoid side and come up with a possible explanation of how the case against Hoops would go. We don't actually know that Racer got the hammer from DV dying. Hoops creates the fake hammer and sends it to Chubby and sends the real hammer to Racer. Doing that let's you pick off at the chain of Telle and me giving the wolves two days respite in the voting. Maybe the wolves aren't allowed to pass items between themselves (the hidden item rule) and that's why he had to give it to someone. Given Hoops voting record I don't really believe this but it's always nice to know that Captain Paranoia can always be relied on to turn up.
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08-13-2011, 07:34 AM
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
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My guess is that the hidden rule has something to do with the wolves being able to create imaginary items and the circumstances necessary for them to be able to do that (unless two hammers started in the game). |
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08-13-2011, 07:37 AM
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
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My guess would be that any time a wolf (or maybe just Loki?) gets an item, he's able to create a fake of it also. There's nothing in the rule set about there being fake items though (I don't think) so I'm thinking that's the hidden rule in regards to items.
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08-13-2011, 08:10 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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hoops also had mistletoe, why wouldn't he have given it to EF if he was a wolf? |
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08-13-2011, 08:15 AM
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
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I think it may need to be weaponized based on the item descriptions. A better question is why wouldn't he weaponize it if he was a wolf or give it to Loki if he's the only wolf that can weaponize it? Then again, maybe it doesn't need to be weaponized. |
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08-13-2011, 08:25 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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I think going after Telle now accomplishes 2 things: it helps to resolve the hammer issue and should give some clarity on another person or two. autumn looks horrible to me with his votes the last 2 days.
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08-13-2011, 08:27 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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I did, but it ended up passed randomly. After my last pass I had a work issue come up and then my wife went berserk about us running late for getting up north for our weekend getaway. End result is no PM to send the item to a given player. I'm sorry for screwing that up. |
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08-13-2011, 08:28 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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3 things. I'd more comfortable with the sword being randomed than telle dictating where it went at this point just in case that character is in the game |
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08-13-2011, 08:33 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Going to be gone rest of day today and good part of tomorrow, but should be back in the discussion Sunday evening.
I didn't have much trust of Thomkal, so it is hard for me to be overly critical of the vote. I agree Racer has moved up the list of trust considerably. He was very low on my list before doing the vote analysis stuff yesterday, but had moved up to the middle. I think you can see that my analysis on the timing of his votes was more detailed than most ... indicating my struggles to place him on good/bad spectrum. |
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08-13-2011, 08:50 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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do we know where the mistletoe is now?
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08-13-2011, 09:01 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2009
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They should rename it Thomkalla. |
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08-13-2011, 09:07 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Telle was the one who passed you the fake hammer, right? In that case I'm not sure that makes him likely to be a wolf. It was probably an item Loki either started with or created later on, and if that's the case with people not usually knowing who they received items from it seems like something Loki or another wolf would pass off to a villager rather than announcing they had it and giving it directly to you. |
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08-13-2011, 09:08 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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Telle had the "hammer" at the start of the game |
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08-13-2011, 09:09 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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to add, she did not give it directly to me
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08-13-2011, 09:11 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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08-13-2011, 09:12 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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I see no rule but I think it's more likely there was no fake hammer at the start of the game than both were there at the start of the game |
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08-13-2011, 09:29 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Ok, I thought I was forgetting something about how that worked out to get to you. Is there someone who claims to have started with the real hammer? |
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08-13-2011, 09:36 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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not to my knowledge, the 1st time the 2nd (real) hammer appeared was after DV's death which is why I firmly believe the wolves had the real hammer the whole time until DV died and it got randomed to Racer |
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08-13-2011, 10:15 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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08-13-2011, 10:50 AM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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I sent it to Racer |
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08-13-2011, 11:26 AM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA
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Who passed the fake hammer to Chubby?
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08-13-2011, 11:30 AM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA
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If the theory is that the wolves can create a fake item once they receive it that leaves little room for who could created the fake one. It's either Telle or the person who passed it to Chubby.
Wasn't thinking about that yesterday. But then it wouldn't make sense for either of them to come out and say who they were (unless there was worry that it would be mentioned in the PM who passed the item and they were trying to get ahead of that problem). |
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08-13-2011, 11:33 AM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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hoops passed me the fake hammer, I find it highly unlikely that a wolf would pass the fake hammer to me directly as it was already clear I was Thor. |
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08-13-2011, 11:47 AM
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
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I can confirm this. |
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08-13-2011, 12:34 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2006
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It's clearly stated that there is a role not listed in the rules in the game. Do you not think it likely that it would state the same thing about items? Anyway, items we know have been in the game: Thor's Hammer - Telle >> Narcizo >> Hoops >> Chubby (Fake) disappeared Thor's Hammer - ?? >> ?? >> ?? (DV?) >> Racer >> Chubby We don't know at which stage the Hammers were seperated, or if they existed from the very start. Odin's Spear - Narcizo >> J23 disappeared? Fenris Fetters - Lathum >> Chubby >> J23 disappeared? Flaming Sword - ?? >> ?? >> ?? >> Hoops >> Telle Mistletoe MrBug >> Hoops >> J23 >> MrBug >> Racer I'm not exactly sure about the mistletoe but I think that's the path its followed. Can't help wondering who had the Sword up until Hoops got it. |
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08-13-2011, 01:08 PM
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Telle is a woman |
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08-13-2011, 01:38 PM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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I sent the Fetter's to ntndeacon. I suspect both Odin's Spear and the Fetters disappeared with the death of the corresponding characters. Did J23 confirm getting the spear or is he just there because you sent it to him? I think we caught a big break that the wolves went after me and not Racer last night. |
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08-13-2011, 02:01 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Fenrir has been reborn with the power of the state puff marshmallow man! Let the ransacking begin!
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08-13-2011, 02:07 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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I said I was sending it to Hoops so the wolves wouldnt have sent something else to Racer and send the misstletoe out randomly |
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08-13-2011, 02:07 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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I didnt send it to Hoops, I sent it to Dubb but he was killed and it was sent out randomly |
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08-13-2011, 02:11 PM
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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or they could have killed racer and had it randomed too but i was hoping you were bluffing with who you were saying you were sending it to |
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08-13-2011, 02:49 PM
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I have to find a way to still finish this game #1 in posts
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08-13-2011, 02:56 PM
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I started with the sword and passed it to Chubby but it looks like it went the random route because Chubby was passed something else.
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08-13-2011, 03:06 PM
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Why not? A wolf could claim the same thing that a villager could, that he thought it was the real hammer; thus trying to gain trust. I can't see hoops and Telle both being wolves but I see more of a scenario where hoops is than Telle. I could actually see Narc being a wolf more so than Telle. If there was one real hammer at the start we know that Telle had it to begin with (I see no gain in her lying about having it). At that point on day two it randomly went somewhere (as we were told that she didn't give it directly to someone). If the theory that a wolf needs to get it in order to duplicate it, it may also be that a specific wolf has to get it. We don't know that the fake travelled from Telle through to the end. We know that what could be the real hammer started out with Telle. At that point Narc or hoops could have also faked it. If Telle is a wolf and creates a fake hammer why come out and even say that she had it? That is what I can't get my head around logically. |
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08-13-2011, 03:06 PM
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vote Narcizo
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08-13-2011, 03:27 PM
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Ah, got it. |
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08-13-2011, 03:28 PM
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Well, hopefully Loki needed the hammer to make a copy and this can be helpful for us. |
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08-13-2011, 03:49 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Syracuse, NY
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Do you believe is statisically more probable that telle is a villager who randomly passed the hammer to loki or that telle is lying and is loki? |
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08-13-2011, 06:16 PM
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I can't get past how it makes no sense for her to come out and say that she had it if she is a wolf. |
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08-13-2011, 07:05 PM
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Location: Syracuse, NY
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To gain trust as the "helpful villager". I think that scenario is more likely than the scenario she is kinda claiming which is that she randomly passed the hammer to loki IMO |
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08-13-2011, 07:29 PM
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I also can't see why Telle would say anything if she was a wolf and had the hammer or a fake hammer. She'd just keep quiet and it would be her word against everybody else's as to where it came from. Saying she had randomly passed an item only earned her distrust at the time, and allows us to be focusing the spotlight on her now.
I don't think it's necessarily true that a wolf had to have an item to fake it ... maybe they can choose to create a fake instead of doing a night kill, or it's just an action Loki can take, or maybe when somehting is passed randomly they have a chance to fake it and pass it on, etc., etc. Something we can use though is that we know no one can have more than one item. So we can use all the known item locations to narrow down where items might have been when they've gone missing. |
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08-13-2011, 07:59 PM
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I don't agree that it's all that unlikely she could have passed the thing to Loki. Just as good a chance as passing it anywhere. In addition we do not know a single thing about the ability to create fake items. Everything we're suggesting is pure conjecture. So it doesn't make good sense to base too much on our guesses of how that rule might work. If I was a wolf and started off with the hammer I would never say a word about it, that I'm pretty darn sure about. I will be working most of the day tomorrow so should have some time to come up with a list of candidates for myself. |
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08-13-2011, 09:11 PM
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Location: Syracuse, NY
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1/19 chance she passes to loki 18/19 chance she passes to anyone but loki  |
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