WW CXLIX SPAWN IV - GAME OVER (Post 3845) - Page 34

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:42 PM

Unless someone is VERY sure of someone, then we should not lynch anyone tonight.

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:42 PM

Oh, well that seems to change things.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:42 PM

could someone give me another statement by someone to analyze. I can't find one. I"m just going to use it up today though.

Chubby · 06-20-2012, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Well, because everything is a risk. Anything we do right now is a risk. By lynching dubb tonight, all we do is kill someone who would eventually be a spawn. We can kill him later. He can't do anything now, since he is not yet a spawn. If we vote for someone else, we also risk killing off one of our own. This would be worse than letting dubb live, and I would say there is a much greater chance of us hitting one of our own than hitting a spawn.

hello my vote for tomorrow

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

saldana speaks the truth

dubb is a spawnling and cannot be cured. End of discussion. I'm an empath and he speaks truth.

Now what do we do, go ahead and lynch dubb then?

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:44 PM

I guess we need to decide soon if we're gonna.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:44 PM

why was there a question of waiting?

Chubby · 06-20-2012, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

could someone give me another statement by someone to analyze. I can't find one. I"m just going to use it up today though.

good lord someone find something from Julio

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:44 PM

unvote hoops
vote dubb

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:45 PM

I'll say this then. I'm not a spawn. I am sure someone can prove me correct in that statement.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:45 PM

yeah find something from hoops or julio or LSG or Zinto or Darth. I like those guys...

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:46 PM

No julio no we cannot.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:46 PM

"I am not a spawn" is not allowed. BK's taking Abe lessons :P

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:47 PM

Well shit. Then go back and find something else by me. There has to be something.

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:48 PM

In light of new evidence, I think this makes sense now.

Vote dubb

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:48 PM

*shrug* I'm not going to ask you any questions and I don't want you to say anything that would damn yourself.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:49 PM

I don't even think you're that guilty looking, but they do. Why do they?

Chief Rum · 06-20-2012, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

saldana speaks the truth

dubb is a spawnling and cannot be cured. End of discussion. I'm an empath and he speaks truth.

CF, could you please quote the post containing the statement you asked BK to have considered for truthfulness? And bold the statement itself if it isn't the entire post?

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:52 PM

post 1486. He took the whole line as one sentence and it rang TRUE

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

Dubb is a spawnling...I cannot cure him

vote Dubb

this post. the whole first line.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:54 PM

so if saldana was a spawn he just sacrificed up a fellow spawn, the same one he's been suspicious of the whole game (and no one else really was suspicious of dubb before)

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:55 PM

aka I definitely think saldana is clean. ANd therefore JAG is (or at least was)

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

aka I definitely think saldana is clean. ANd therefore JAG is (or at least was)

Which would be good news.

Autumn · 06-20-2012, 08:56 PM

ugh...

I WILL KILL DUBB TONIGHT. VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. YES, WE KNOW HE'S BAD. THAT'S WHY I'LL KILL HIM.

Autumn · 06-20-2012, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Unless someone is VERY sure of someone, then we should not lynch anyone tonight.

Why?

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 08:57 PM

there is a ton of crap to sift through from tonight so yuou'll have to fill us latecomers in again, autumn.

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 08:59 PM

Well I am gonna head to my post. This gun in my hands will be used for protecting our facilities and defending us against any potential spawn attacks that are in my area.

Chief Rum · 06-20-2012, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

Dubb is a spawnling...I cannot cure him

vote Dubb

Sheesh, CF, how hard would it be for you to just hit quote, eh?

Julio Riddols · 06-20-2012, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Why?

Because the chances are low that we will hit upon a spawn unless someone has better info to go on than I do.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Sheesh, CF, how hard would it be for you to just hit quote, eh?

sheesh Chief, how hard would it be for you to just go look it up yourself?

Chief Rum · 06-20-2012, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

ugh...

I WILL KILL DUBB TONIGHT. VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. YES, WE KNOW HE'S BAD. THAT'S WHY I'LL KILL HIM.

I'm with you. We haven't learned anything new from CF except that saldana is telling the truth. Most of us already believe that, and no one was saying dubb isn't a spawnling. Heck, dubb himself suggested the possibility.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 09:03 PM

um, Autumn, what if you miss?

And is there any possibility of dubb having defenses against you killing him or is it unblockable?

hoopsguy · 06-20-2012, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Can you remind me why you worked on power facility 2 last night? I'm trying to find the order to do it, but I don't know if I am missing it or not.

There was no order for night actions to work on the buildings. However, we had discussed the need to get activity levels up and I was discussing it with JAG prior to submitting the order this morning.

I chose the power facilities because:
1.) we have to convert four of them before liftoff - this is mandatory - and none had been started
2.) I thought Crimson was going to work with me, which would have allowed us to be more efficient in the operation (6 units with me supervising another Engineer, as opposed to 2 solo) - in fact, it would have finished that building.

Chief Rum · 06-20-2012, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

sheesh Chief, how hard would it be for you to just go look it up yourself?

I didn't know what post. You want me to go through 30 pages of posts?

Would have been easier for both of us if you just hit "quote" when you find it. Instead, you made me go look for it.

Sorry, end of a 10 hour work day and I don't really feel like doing extra work you can so easily do.

JAG · 06-20-2012, 09:04 PM

The people suggesting Saldana scan dubb tomorrow, just no (in my opinion). Too risky, there are too many things we don't know, how long it takes a spawning to become a spawn, if he couldn't succeed today are we confident he could succeed tomorrow? The benefit (reclaiming a villager) is not worth the risk of losing the doctor on a known baddie. If he dies scanning a full spawn elsewhere, then that's the best we can hope for.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I'm with you. We haven't learned anything new from CF except that saldana is telling the truth. Most of us already believe that, and no one was saying dubb isn't a spawnling. Heck, dubb himself suggested the possibility.

clearing saldana is the main reason I did it.

LoneStarGirl · 06-20-2012, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

why risk losing our doc if we're just going to vote him off tomorrow anyways?

I can make a new one, can't I?

Chief Rum · 06-20-2012, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

clearing saldana is the main reason I did it.

That doesn't change the lynch discussion, though. People seem to be seeing your post and going, "oh, okay, unvote whoever, vote dubb."

hoopsguy · 06-20-2012, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Most of the remaining exhausted are security crewmen, and we will already be losing dubb. So of those exhausted remaining who are not security crewmen, I am thinking the best target for a vote besides dubb is hoops. The only other non-options are the britrock-Abe training pair, and that would take some luck for them to both be Spawn to back each other up there.

VOTE EXECUTE HOOPS

I don't believe that is a viable defense (Abe/Britrock) - BK explicitly stated in response to the question I posted that Spawn can take Spawn actions in addition to their public role stuff as a night action. So they are not cross-vouching each other in terms of a Spawn attack, but only insofar as the actions were completed ... that info was already in BK's Night 2 writeup.

Chief Rum · 06-20-2012, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

The people suggesting Saldana scan dubb tomorrow, just no (in my opinion). Too risky, there are too many things we don't know, how long it takes a spawning to become a spawn, if he couldn't succeed today are we confident he could succeed tomorrow? The benefit (reclaiming a villager) is not worth the risk of losing the doctor on a known baddie. If he dies scanning a full spawn elsewhere, then that's the best we can hope for.

I'm also with you. I don't say don't lynch dubb because we can cure him, but because we have another way to kill him and can save our lynches for other uses and for a meaningful vote.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That doesn't change the lynch discussion, though. People seem to be seeing your post and going, "oh, okay, unvote whoever, vote dubb."

Just me and julio so far. And julio hadn't even voted before.

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

The people suggesting Saldana scan dubb tomorrow, just no (in my opinion). Too risky, there are too many things we don't know, how long it takes a spawning to become a spawn, if he couldn't succeed today are we confident he could succeed tomorrow? The benefit (reclaiming a villager) is not worth the risk of losing the doctor on a known baddie. If he dies scanning a full spawn elsewhere, then that's the best we can hope for.

there is no "scan dubb tomorrow" tho. he can't be cured. At least Saldana is confident that dubb can't be cured and my scan verifies that truth.

hoopsguy · 06-20-2012, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

saldana speaks the truth

dubb is a spawnling and cannot be cured. End of discussion. I'm an empath and he speaks truth.

Really, that is what you scanned? I don't understand the value on this statement at all - was there any meaningful dispute that Dubb was Spawnling? There was significantly greater dispute, in my mind at least, that Saldana is a non-Spawn. If that was the case, he would have no interest in curing Dubb but would just proclaim him Spawnling and let him go off to death.

Anyway, I'm disappointed that the empath power was put to use for something that provides no meaningful new data point for us. I'm sure others can/will read this differently.

LoneStarGirl · 06-20-2012, 09:09 PM

If autumn's night action was 100% then I'd agree. but since it's not I have to

Execute dubs

Chief Rum · 06-20-2012, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I don't believe that is a viable defense (Abe/Britrock) - BK explicitly stated in response to the question I posted that Spawn can take Spawn actions in addition to their public role stuff as a night action. So they are not cross-vouching each other in terms of a Spawn attack, but only insofar as the actions were completed ... that info was already in BK's Night 2 writeup.

We have evidence that the actions of one can be seen by others through their night actions. I have direct evidence--I myself watched saldana sleep like a baby on Night One. I don't believe he got up and Spawned someone that night just because of some public role rule.

For the some reason, I find it hard to believe one of Abe or britrock could really pull off a Spawn attack when they are together for training.

I think BK's reference was to his deadline posts about what everyone is doing. Those will reflect the public role.

LoneStarGirl · 06-20-2012, 09:10 PM

Vote execute dubbs

Whichever works

Simbo Klice · 06-20-2012, 09:11 PM

Alright, well I was sort of leaning to a risk play but I don't even see one that would make me feel good. Now, I'm thinking there isn't enough time to get the support for anything but a dubb lynch so if someone feels strongly otherwise I guess now's the time to make a push.

Vote dubb

Zinto · 06-20-2012, 09:12 PM

What is the vote count at?

CrimsonFox · 06-20-2012, 09:14 PM

what even is the lynch deadline?

JAG · 06-20-2012, 09:14 PM

Typed that before the empath thing, sorry. I'm here somewhat but in the middle of things.

06-20-2012, 08:42 PM	#1651
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Unless someone is VERY sure of someone, then we should not lynch anyone tonight. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

06-20-2012, 08:42 PM	#1652
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Oh, well that seems to change things. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

06-20-2012, 08:44 PM	#1656
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I guess we need to decide soon if we're gonna. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

06-20-2012, 08:45 PM	#1660
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I'll say this then. I'm not a spawn. I am sure someone can prove me correct in that statement. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

06-20-2012, 08:47 PM	#1664
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Well shit. Then go back and find something else by me. There has to be something. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

06-20-2012, 08:42 PM	#1653
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	could someone give me another statement by someone to analyze. I can't find one. I"m just going to use it up today though.

06-20-2012, 08:44 PM	#1657
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	why was there a question of waiting?

06-20-2012, 08:44 PM	#1659
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	unvote hoops vote dubb

06-20-2012, 08:45 PM	#1661
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	yeah find something from hoops or julio or LSG or Zinto or Darth. I like those guys...

06-20-2012, 08:46 PM	#1662
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	No julio no we cannot.

06-20-2012, 08:46 PM	#1663
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	"I am not a spawn" is not allowed. BK's taking Abe lessons :P

06-20-2012, 08:48 PM	#1665
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	In light of new evidence, I think this makes sense now. Vote dubb __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

06-20-2012, 08:48 PM	#1666
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	shrug I'm not going to ask you any questions and I don't want you to say anything that would damn yourself.

06-20-2012, 08:49 PM	#1667
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I don't even think you're that guilty looking, but they do. Why do they?

06-20-2012, 08:52 PM	#1669
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	post 1486. He took the whole line as one sentence and it rang TRUE

06-20-2012, 08:54 PM	#1671
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	so if saldana was a spawn he just sacrificed up a fellow spawn, the same one he's been suspicious of the whole game (and no one else really was suspicious of dubb before)

06-20-2012, 08:55 PM	#1672
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	aka I definitely think saldana is clean. ANd therefore JAG is (or at least was)

06-20-2012, 08:56 PM	#1674
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	ugh... I WILL KILL DUBB TONIGHT. VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. YES, WE KNOW HE'S BAD. THAT'S WHY I'LL KILL HIM.

06-20-2012, 08:57 PM	#1676
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	there is a ton of crap to sift through from tonight so yuou'll have to fill us latecomers in again, autumn.

06-20-2012, 08:59 PM	#1677
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	Well I am gonna head to my post. This gun in my hands will be used for protecting our facilities and defending us against any potential spawn attacks that are in my area. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

06-20-2012, 09:03 PM	#1682
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	um, Autumn, what if you miss? And is there any possibility of dubb having defenses against you killing him or is it unblockable?

06-20-2012, 09:04 PM	#1685
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	The people suggesting Saldana scan dubb tomorrow, just no (in my opinion). Too risky, there are too many things we don't know, how long it takes a spawning to become a spawn, if he couldn't succeed today are we confident he could succeed tomorrow? The benefit (reclaiming a villager) is not worth the risk of losing the doctor on a known baddie. If he dies scanning a full spawn elsewhere, then that's the best we can hope for.

06-20-2012, 09:09 PM	#1694
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	If autumn's night action was 100% then I'd agree. but since it's not I have to Execute dubs

06-20-2012, 09:10 PM	#1696
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Vote execute dubbs Whichever works

06-20-2012, 09:11 PM	#1697
Simbo Klice High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2009	Alright, well I was sort of leaning to a risk play but I don't even see one that would make me feel good. Now, I'm thinking there isn't enough time to get the support for anything but a dubb lynch so if someone feels strongly otherwise I guess now's the time to make a push. Vote dubb

06-20-2012, 09:12 PM	#1698
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	What is the vote count at?

06-20-2012, 09:14 PM	#1699
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	what even is the lynch deadline?

06-20-2012, 09:14 PM	#1700
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Typed that before the empath thing, sorry. I'm here somewhat but in the middle of things.

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