werewolf LIV! Terror at the country club (GAME OVER WOLVES WIN) - Page 34

Raiders Army · 09-12-2007, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I have been so suspicious of several of your posts ... it is a good thing that you are near-cleared through the Crim thing or I would be going nuts trying to construct cases around set-up posts like this one.

Go nuts. By my reckoning, I shouldn't be cleared at all at this point. I could be the goth and could've been converted between passing Crim the tray and him getting attacked. I don't look at anyone at this point as being cleared and it would be good for y'all to remember that about me.

...

Uh, that being said I am a villager.

Chief Rum · 09-12-2007, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm open to reasons why CR is good, if someone can give me a rundown I'd appreciate it. He's rubbed me the wrong way the entire game and come after me as soon as I started picking apart his theory early on.

So, why do people trust CR?

lol, looks you already got your responses. When did you "pick" my theory apart? I don't even remember you arguing against my theory. I remember cronin. Are you confusing yourself with cronin?

Methinks you put too much importance on the yourself in my mind. Other than you killing Barkeep, I have barely noticed you.

st.cronin · 09-12-2007, 09:10 PM

LOL

Pass, I've said it before - I think you're the funniest guy on the board.

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:10 PM

I think it was easier, and less conspicious, for Purdue to vote for RendeR, who was in a tie rather than someone who was one vote back.

As far as the brutal wolf goes, I think the wolves sent him out for the night kill as often as they could since they would get the 2-1 if he was discovered. But I don't think this would come into play for the day votes we are examining.

Raiders Army · 09-12-2007, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Now I come guns blazing at you? You realize I have put a vote on you like three or four of the past six days, right? And that I have been espousing your wolfishness since you killed BK on Day Two? Heck, you even return-voted me a time or two. How did you forget all that?

And if you think after all this that I am wolf, you really aren't thinking things through too well.

I likey this exchange. It makes me feel better about voting for RendeR tonight.

Passacaglia · 09-12-2007, 09:11 PM

(Get it? Because he's invisible, I don't know who he is?)

Anyway, UTR guys always freak me out -- I've been lighter on them in this game because I felt like I'm UTR in a way myself -- which also means that I may have missed out on some stuff -- for example, I see AC as being UTR also, but I seem to recall some posts of analysis that might have been his.

Chief Rum · 09-12-2007, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ok, how the hell id I miss CR admitting to the assassination of path?

I'll admit I could have been wrong. The probability that they sarificed path is worse than nill.

UNVOTE CR

Glad to see reason is showing you the light. Although the PB vote alone shoulda moved me way up your trust list.

Passacaglia · 09-12-2007, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

LOL

Pass, I've said it before - I think you're the funniest guy on the board.

I dunno...I don't think I can compete with lines like "Are you confusing yourself with cronin?"

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:13 PM

DNA - placed a real impact vote on Path that tied him for the lead with RendeR. That is the first data point I have on him, for all intents and purposes

Arlington - has said he has a folding table in his possession

Those are my notes on the UTR guys.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:13 PM

vote Pass

Chief Rum · 09-12-2007, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

These are the final votes for Day 5. Work is pretty busy today, but I expect to have more time this afternoon to look at the votes/unvotes and comments leading up to this vote.

Quick notes on the final votes here:
- both known/dead wolves moved late onto Chief Rum, who has now killed one of them. Gee, he looks pretty good here.
- Pass had his vote on Path (wolf) and it didn't move at the end. I want to go back and see if he was around with an opportunity to do so (based on posts after #1318). If not, that speaks well for him
- RendeR and Cronin both have votes on Chief. Both of their votes were in relatively early. I don't think either of them had a ton of incentive to move based on self-preservation, but it would look better for both of them to be on a now-known wolf than to be on an assumed villager
- MrDNA's vote on Path certainly increased the pressure on a wolf down the stretch, as it put him in a tie for the lead (going from memory here). Speaks well for him
- two of the three votes on RendeR are from assumed good villagers (Chief and RA) and the third from Olie

As stated above, next exercise is to review the votes and comments that day in full. After that, I would be interested in tracking the votes each day from Path and Purdue and comparing them to other players still in the game. The assumption behind that is that the wolves would try to stay dispersed in their votes when possible. If someone has their votes dovetail really closely with a known wolf that is a sign that they are more likely to be good rather than bad.

Excellent work and conclusions here. You did the work I was thinking about doing when I got home, so now you have saved me the trouble.

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:16 PM

This is what I show for votes, as of Post #1661:

RendeR - 4 Chief Rum (1572). oliegirl (1607), Hoops (1633), Raiders (1638)

hoopsguy - 1 Passacaglia (1573)

Olie - 1 RendeR (1619)

DNA - 1 Cronin (1641)

Pass - 1 Eagle (1660)

st.cronin · 09-12-2007, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

DNA - placed a real impact vote on Path that tied him for the lead with RendeR. That is the first data point I have on him, for all intents and purposes

That was before the Purduebrad vote, though, right? So, maybe there was some coordination?

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:17 PM

Fighting a bit of a migraine tonight so not much explanation for my vote. Just getting a wolf vibe from him and going with my gut as it did me well when I set my sights on Purdue early.

Passacaglia · 09-12-2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Just an instinct, something just seems wolfish to me about a couple of yoru statements. I'll scan some to come up with more details for you/everyone. Who knows, maybe in my research I will end up taking you out of the CoD after closer examination.

Plus, I know my role so it would seem that a wolf would want to get rid of me, expecially for saving CR (which makes me add him to my CoT even more).

This is what you said last time I asked you why you were suspicious of me. Given that you DON'T have a role other than wolf...

a) Has anything more happened to make you still suspicious of me?
b) Why did you lie about saying you have a role?

Chief Rum · 09-12-2007, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

3.) RendeR cares more about Bengals than werewolf, no matter what side he is on. Would a wolf leave themselves in grave danger (is there any other kind?) like he did? Maybe if he thought he had enough backup, but I'm struggling with this a little bit.

This is a very good point. While Render obviously loves the Bengals more than WW, and maybe even more than the Sabres, would he leave with his life on the line as a wolf? He was one of the three top votegetters when he last posted. It seems unlikely that he would disappear until well after the deadline while Purdue and path were struggling to manipulate a vote in which both path and Render could have been lynched.

For now...

UNVOTE RENDER

Lathum · 09-12-2007, 09:24 PM

I just got home.

Is hoopsguys vote count accurate?

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:25 PM

Pass, it would make no sense for Eagle to be a wolf and mess up the vote the other night orchestrated by wolves Path and Purdue?

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

This is what you said last time I asked you why you were suspicious of me. Given that you DON'T have a role other than wolf...

a) Has anything more happened to make you still suspicious of me?
b) Why did you lie about saying you have a role?

Last I checked villager is a role.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:27 PM

dola: plus you have a Neon like defensive quality about getting votes, kind of wolfish if you ask me.

Chief Rum · 09-12-2007, 09:30 PM

VOTE ARLINTON COLT

I needed more time to think this out, but I ran out of time. Undecided how I feel about just about anyone. So here's a vote for the most UTR and unproven guy.

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:31 PM

Neither Arlington nor DNA got a vote in today - disappointing this late in the game.

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:33 PM

The lack of significant movement on another candidate makes me think that RendeR is going to come back as a villager. Hope I'm wrong.

st.cronin · 09-12-2007, 09:35 PM

Arlington Colt was in thread earlier, as was Mr. DNA.

Passacaglia · 09-12-2007, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Pass, it would make no sense for Eagle to be a wolf and mess up the vote the other night orchestrated by wolves Path and Purdue?

Yeah, he probably isn't. I just went looking back at last time he was supicious of me, and the post set off red flags.

Lathum · 09-12-2007, 09:39 PM

deadline

Lathum · 09-12-2007, 09:40 PM

RendeR - 3. oliegirl (1607), Hoops (1633), Raiders (1638)

hoopsguy - 1 Passacaglia (1573)

Olie - 1 RendeR (1619)

DNA - 1 Cronin (1641)

Pass - 1 Eagle (1660)

Arlingtoncolt-1- (chiefrum)

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, he probably isn't. I just went looking back at last time he was supicious of me, and the post set off red flags.

What red flags, other than your defensive mechanism coming out to play?

Lathum · 09-12-2007, 09:43 PM

You are all exilirated and energized by the recent events of the day. The majority of you are sure render is a wolf. You advance on him and beat him senseless.

When you are done his limp body lays there and it is obvious he was just a villager.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:45 PM

I figured RendeR was just being RendeR. I think we need to seriously look to see who started backing the RendeR vote idea now.

Raiders Army · 09-12-2007, 09:45 PM

Okay. Sorry RendeR.

You know whom I'm voting for tomorrow.

Raiders Army · 09-12-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I figured RendeR was just being RendeR. I think we need to seriously look to see who started backing the RendeR vote idea now.

I backed the RendeR vote idea. What was interesting to me was how hoops backed off of the idea late, but didn't change his vote.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:46 PM

RA is in CoT. This leave oliegirl and hoops. I have a good vibe from hoops (hopefully not wrong there) and no vibe from oliegirl so no read at all at the present.

st.cronin · 09-12-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Okay. Sorry RendeR.

You know whom I'm voting for tomorrow.

Who?

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:47 PM

I rarely post this, but in this case ...

Sorry, RendeR.

Lathum · 09-12-2007, 09:48 PM

You all awake in the morning and realize one of you is missing. Your hearts sink when you realize ChiefRum isn't there. You look all over for him and eventualy find whets left of him by mangled and gnawed on. He was an ordinary villager.

Day 7 has begun.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:48 PM

The poor guy has to watch the Bengals all these years, hasn't he suffered enough? Now he gets beat senseless (though watching the Bengals has probably taken care of that already).

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:51 PM

OK, I now am officially confused as to why Path/Purdue moved on Chief Rum instead of RendeR the other day. My only guess is they got greedy - wanting to pick and choose who got removed from game instead of taking the guy that the villagers were helping them acquire?

RendeR · 09-12-2007, 09:52 PM

*a disembodied voice drifts through the club *

I TOLD you I wasn't that ballsy. Idjits.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:52 PM

Hmmm, right now the people in the thread with me are Neon (wolf), path (wolf), Lathum, RA, Pass and hoops.

I have RA in CoT so does that mean that Pass and hoops were joined by their fallen wolf brethren to watch CR and RendeR go down?

My good vibe on hoops is slipping, but I still think AC is somehow a wolf. He keeps not playing the table and stays suspiciously absent much of the time.

RendeR · 09-12-2007, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

The poor guy has to watch the Bengals all these years, hasn't he suffered enough? Now he gets beat senseless (though watching the Bengals has probably taken care of that already).

I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but the last 5 years have been spectacular Football watching seasons. The Bengals are an exciting team.

now from 90-2002? yeah, that sucked ass.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but the last 5 years have been spectacular Football watching seasons. The Bengals are an exciting team.

now from 90-2002? yeah, that sucked ass.

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:55 PM

I definitely want to hear what Arlington did today.

Having him and DNA miss votes is definitely frustrating. That said, I want to make the right vote, rather than sending a "punishment" vote their way.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:56 PM

dola: look at my name, it's obvious that I have suffered too... Though since around 2000 it has been a lot more exciting, but frustrating as hell.

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

The poor guy has to watch the Bengals all these years, hasn't he suffered enough? Now he gets beat senseless (though watching the Bengals has probably taken care of that already).

Did you beat yourself senseless last Sunday watching the Eagles cover punts?

st.cronin · 09-12-2007, 09:57 PM

Vote Arlington Colt

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Did you beat yourself senseless last Sunday watching the Eagles cover punts?

I was hoping the wolves would get me after watching that.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:58 PM

dola: not the covering of the punts that bothered me, it was the so-called returning of the punts.

hoopsguy · 09-12-2007, 09:58 PM

I had to watch some of it with my Packer-loving wife. One of the few times I have rooted for the Iggles and they lay that kind of turd. I hope not to be in position to root for them again anytime soon.

EagleFan · 09-12-2007, 09:59 PM

vote Pass

Just a place holder for now. This will change by tomorrow night but I want to observe a few things before "tipping my hand".

09-12-2007, 09:10 PM	#1653
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	LOL Pass, I've said it before - I think you're the funniest guy on the board. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-12-2007, 09:35 PM	#1674
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Arlington Colt was in thread earlier, as was Mr. DNA. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-12-2007, 09:52 PM	#1689
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	a disembodied voice drifts through the club I TOLD you I wasn't that ballsy. Idjits. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-12-2007, 09:57 PM	#1696
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Vote Arlington Colt __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-12-2007, 09:10 PM	#1654
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I think it was easier, and less conspicious, for Purdue to vote for RendeR, who was in a tie rather than someone who was one vote back. As far as the brutal wolf goes, I think the wolves sent him out for the night kill as often as they could since they would get the 2-1 if he was discovered. But I don't think this would come into play for the day votes we are examining.

09-12-2007, 09:11 PM	#1656
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	(Get it? Because he's invisible, I don't know who he is?) Anyway, UTR guys always freak me out -- I've been lighter on them in this game because I felt like I'm UTR in a way myself -- which also means that I may have missed out on some stuff -- for example, I see AC as being UTR also, but I seem to recall some posts of analysis that might have been his.

09-12-2007, 09:13 PM	#1659
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	DNA - placed a real impact vote on Path that tied him for the lead with RendeR. That is the first data point I have on him, for all intents and purposes Arlington - has said he has a folding table in his possession Those are my notes on the UTR guys.

09-12-2007, 09:13 PM	#1660
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	vote Pass

09-12-2007, 09:16 PM	#1662
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	This is what I show for votes, as of Post #1661: RendeR - 4 Chief Rum (1572). oliegirl (1607), Hoops (1633), Raiders (1638) hoopsguy - 1 Passacaglia (1573) Olie - 1 RendeR (1619) DNA - 1 Cronin (1641) Pass - 1 Eagle (1660)

09-12-2007, 09:17 PM	#1664
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Fighting a bit of a migraine tonight so not much explanation for my vote. Just getting a wolf vibe from him and going with my gut as it did me well when I set my sights on Purdue early.

09-12-2007, 09:24 PM	#1667
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I just got home. Is hoopsguys vote count accurate?

09-12-2007, 09:25 PM	#1668
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pass, it would make no sense for Eagle to be a wolf and mess up the vote the other night orchestrated by wolves Path and Purdue?

09-12-2007, 09:27 PM	#1670
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: plus you have a Neon like defensive quality about getting votes, kind of wolfish if you ask me.

09-12-2007, 09:30 PM	#1671
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	VOTE ARLINTON COLT I needed more time to think this out, but I ran out of time. Undecided how I feel about just about anyone. So here's a vote for the most UTR and unproven guy.

09-12-2007, 09:31 PM	#1672
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Neither Arlington nor DNA got a vote in today - disappointing this late in the game.

09-12-2007, 09:33 PM	#1673
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	The lack of significant movement on another candidate makes me think that RendeR is going to come back as a villager. Hope I'm wrong.

09-12-2007, 09:39 PM	#1676
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	deadline

09-12-2007, 09:40 PM	#1677
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	RendeR - 3. oliegirl (1607), Hoops (1633), Raiders (1638) hoopsguy - 1 Passacaglia (1573) Olie - 1 RendeR (1619) DNA - 1 Cronin (1641) Pass - 1 Eagle (1660) Arlingtoncolt-1- (chiefrum)

09-12-2007, 09:43 PM	#1679
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You are all exilirated and energized by the recent events of the day. The majority of you are sure render is a wolf. You advance on him and beat him senseless. When you are done his limp body lays there and it is obvious he was just a villager.

09-12-2007, 09:45 PM	#1680
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I figured RendeR was just being RendeR. I think we need to seriously look to see who started backing the RendeR vote idea now.

09-12-2007, 09:45 PM	#1681
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Okay. Sorry RendeR. You know whom I'm voting for tomorrow.

09-12-2007, 09:46 PM	#1683
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	RA is in CoT. This leave oliegirl and hoops. I have a good vibe from hoops (hopefully not wrong there) and no vibe from oliegirl so no read at all at the present.

09-12-2007, 09:47 PM	#1685
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I rarely post this, but in this case ... Sorry, RendeR.

09-12-2007, 09:48 PM	#1686
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You all awake in the morning and realize one of you is missing. Your hearts sink when you realize ChiefRum isn't there. You look all over for him and eventualy find whets left of him by mangled and gnawed on. He was an ordinary villager. Day 7 has begun.

09-12-2007, 09:48 PM	#1687
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	The poor guy has to watch the Bengals all these years, hasn't he suffered enough? Now he gets beat senseless (though watching the Bengals has probably taken care of that already).

09-12-2007, 09:51 PM	#1688
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, I now am officially confused as to why Path/Purdue moved on Chief Rum instead of RendeR the other day. My only guess is they got greedy - wanting to pick and choose who got removed from game instead of taking the guy that the villagers were helping them acquire?

09-12-2007, 09:52 PM	#1690
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Hmmm, right now the people in the thread with me are Neon (wolf), path (wolf), Lathum, RA, Pass and hoops. I have RA in CoT so does that mean that Pass and hoops were joined by their fallen wolf brethren to watch CR and RendeR go down? My good vibe on hoops is slipping, but I still think AC is somehow a wolf. He keeps not playing the table and stays suspiciously absent much of the time.

09-12-2007, 09:55 PM	#1693
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I definitely want to hear what Arlington did today. Having him and DNA miss votes is definitely frustrating. That said, I want to make the right vote, rather than sending a "punishment" vote their way.

09-12-2007, 09:56 PM	#1694
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: look at my name, it's obvious that I have suffered too... Though since around 2000 it has been a lot more exciting, but frustrating as hell.

09-12-2007, 09:58 PM	#1698
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: not the covering of the punts that bothered me, it was the so-called returning of the punts.

09-12-2007, 09:58 PM	#1699
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I had to watch some of it with my Packer-loving wife. One of the few times I have rooted for the Iggles and they lay that kind of turd. I hope not to be in position to root for them again anytime soon.

09-12-2007, 09:59 PM	#1700
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	vote Pass Just a place holder for now. This will change by tomorrow night but I want to observe a few things before "tipping my hand".

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