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JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 09:57 PM

WTF is Mayweather wearing? It looks like he's wearing Big Show's trunks.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:01 PM

It is crazy how tiny Mayweather looks compared to show. I love the fact Shows trying to break Floyds hands.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:02 PM

Floyds manager is so annoying. "You can't be doing that"

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:03 PM

The manager "he can't be doing dat" is classic stuff ... although I'm not entirely sure how much of it is unintentional comedy.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:04 PM

Floyd needs a new posse. Aren't posses supposed to help you when you're being killed?

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:04 PM

LOL "We out". This manager needs to get hired full time.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:05 PM

"We out"?

Meanwhile my son just predicted Rey Rey as the interference.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:06 PM

That guy is like a cross between T-Lo & Julius Smokes.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:08 PM

Chair shots + brass knucks equal KO for Mayweather.

And now I scratch my head, wondering why you sacrifice a wrestler who was actually over with the crowd in order to give a one-off celebrity a win. Let's face it, the WWE doesn't exactly have all that many people who are really over right now, they might have actually been able to do something with Show for a while off this.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:08 PM

That wasn't awful. It wasn't good but really it was entertaining at times.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Chair shots + brass knucks equal KO for Mayweather.

And now I scratch my head, wondering why you sacrifice a wrestler who was actually over with the crowd in order to give a one-off celebrity a win.

Vince has NEVER booked Show right. Heyman has been the only guy to ever book Show correctly, imo.

SirFozzie · 03-30-2008, 10:10 PM

even on streaming, it's pretty clear that whiffed.

Maple Leafs · 03-30-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And now I scratch my head, wondering why you sacrifice a wrestler who was actually over with the crowd in order to give a one-off celebrity a win. Let's face it, the WWE doesn't exactly have all that many people who are really over right now, they might have actually been able to do something with Show for a while off this.

a.) It may have been part of the deal. No win, no Floyd.
b.) An angry giant leads to some pretty decent possibilities

molson · 03-30-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Meanwhile, is showing Undertaker in the promo for Backlash the best move in terms of not telegraphing the end of tonight's main event?

Posters and promos have proven to be a VERY poor predictor of that show's main event. It isn't uncommon for a guy to be featured in an early ppv poster/promo and he doesn't even end up on the event.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:16 PM

This entrance isn't failing to deliever at all. This is amazing.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

a.) It may have been part of the deal. No win, no Floyd.

You say that as though it would have been a bad thing.

SirFozzie · 03-30-2008, 10:23 PM

BTW Jon, I thought it actually prestaged a Undertaker LOSS in tonight's main event... "For every loss.. there is a BACKLASH". (IE, the UT loses tonight, rematch at Backlash)

Schmidty · 03-30-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Orton going over is a smart move. If they play it out, they can have a decent Cena vs. HHH fued for the title shot, and make some money at Summerslam.

I wouldn't care who won that match, since I'm a big fan of both of them. Cena haters suck.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

BTW Jon, I thought it actually prestaged a Undertaker LOSS in tonight's main event... "For every loss.. there is a BACKLASH". (IE, the UT loses tonight, rematch at Backlash)

Obviously you're paying closer attention than me. I actually didn't even notice the content of the voiceover.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:28 PM

Thing I can't figure out with the Cena haters is why they wanted HHH over Cena. I mean, if the Cena hate is for a relatively limited moveset & a bad gimmick shouldn't there also be hate from the same contingent for Trips stroke being greater than his skill set?

FTR, I'm reasonably neutral on Cena & don't have major hate for HHH either, just saying I'm not sure how one gets perceived better than the other.

Schmidty · 03-30-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Thing I can't figure out with the Cena haters is why they wanted HHH over Cena. I mean, if the Cena hate is for a relatively limited moveset & a bad gimmick shouldn't there also be hate from the same contingent for Trips stroke being greater than his skill set?

FTR, I'm reasonably neutral on Cena & don't have major hate for HHH either, just saying I'm not sure how one gets perceived better than the other.

I just think it's an internet wrestling "hipster" thing. People think they're cool by disliking him, because they perceive Cena as being shoved down their throat, when in reality, he actually deserves to be. He has the most charisma since the Rock, imo. On the mic, there's currently no one better in the WWE (other than the old stand-bys like HH, HBK, Flair, and maybe Kennedy).

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:34 PM

Am I the only person who feels like they're watching Smackdown right now?

SirFozzie · 03-30-2008, 10:36 PM

yeah. Coach and Cole don't have that "OMG" to their voices.. that next level that Styles and Ross can do.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:37 PM

This should have been quite a bit down the card, they've even managed to kill the crowd.

Classic bad card layout, all the emotion was early, the crowd is burned out at this point.

molson · 03-30-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Thing I can't figure out with the Cena haters is why they wanted HHH over Cena.

It's been a while since HHH was champion. Those same people were definitely hating HHH in 2003.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-30-2008, 10:45 PM

One thing I've enjoyed tonight is the improved pickup by the in-ring mics.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 10:47 PM

Took a while but now the crowd's back into.

Also .. Charles Robinson can fly.

tucker rocky · 03-30-2008, 10:49 PM

Hell yeah, The slayer of dragons, and the streak rolls on at WM!

Schmidty · 03-30-2008, 10:55 PM

Please tell me the Underloser didn't win a again........

tucker rocky · 03-30-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Took a while but now the crowd's back into.

Also .. Charles Robinson can fly.

Miami Dolphins could use a speed burner like Charles Robinson.

SirFozzie · 03-30-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Please tell me the Underloser didn't win a again........

The undertaker won.. again.

tucker rocky · 03-30-2008, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Please tell me the Underloser didn't win a again........

The slayer of dragons won, the streak rolls on.

Deattribution · 03-30-2008, 10:59 PM

Wrestlemania really has become just a spectacle and not much else. Other than Flair's match, nothing is settled, nothing is changed, nobody is elevated and there'll be a rematch of every important match by tomorrow or the next PPV.

tucker rocky · 03-30-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Please tell me the Underloser didn't win a again........

Also this is WM, UT doesn't lose, never has.

Schmidty · 03-30-2008, 11:01 PM

That's unfortunate.

His time needs to come to an end. I am beyond tired of him. I'm not saying that others are dumb for liking him, but I just can't stand him. Never have.

Schmidty · 03-30-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Also this is WM, UT doesn't lose, never has.

Oh, trust me, I know.

Raiders Army · 03-30-2008, 11:05 PM

The Undertaker rules.

Maple Leafs · 03-30-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

Wrestlemania really has become just a spectacle and not much else. Other than Flair's match, nothing is settled, nothing is changed, nobody is elevated and there'll be a rematch of every important match by tomorrow or the next PPV.

Every year I think "this is the last year they can get away with putting on a Backlash PPV that's the exact same lineup as Wrestlemania", and every year I'm wrong.

tucker rocky · 03-30-2008, 11:16 PM

I knew in the back of my mind Edge would lose because, he had always escape the wrath of UT. All of Edge's associates had been put in UT's submission hold, which UT used to win. By watching the build-up to this match, I just knew UT winning was a can't miss, dead-on prediction.

tucker rocky · 03-30-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Every year I think "this is the last year they can get away with putting on a Backlash PPV that's the exact same lineup as Wrestlemania", and every year I'm wrong.

WM is the 1 and only ppv I'll order and watch.

DeToxRox · 03-30-2008, 11:24 PM

Personally I thought the ME was awesome. Started slow but ended awesomely.

Toddzilla · 03-30-2008, 11:59 PM

Just got back from the Nats home opener - never heard a crowd louder in my life than after Zim's walkoff -WOW. Anyway...

First thing I did when I got home was turn on the DVR and FF to the Flair match. I've been a Flair mark for 30 years and knew this day would come. It has been kinda sad watching Flair in the ring for a few years now, but when he needs to bring it, he brings it. You gotta figure of all the people he could hand pick for his final match, it would've been Michaels, and tonight showed why. Just an amazing match from beginning to end absolutely overflowing with psychology, emotion, and history.

Taken in a vacuum, as mentioned before, the match wasn't one of the best matches of all time by a long shot. But JimGA has is exactly right - in context it was amazing. That's what's so cool (to me anyway) about pro-wrestling. You take a physical event and it's multiplied in significance and impact by the ability of the wrestlers to tell a story. No one has ever been better at it than Ric Flair, and he told his life story in the ring tonight. My favorite moment was Flair coming off the top rope and finally connecting - how cool was that?!? Sean Michaels was the perfect opponent and it all came together on the biggest stage in wrestling history. I would have loved to see Arn Anderson somewhere close by (Blanchard and Dillon too for that matter - what a moment that would have been, the 4 Horsemen run out to save Flair's career and he waves them off?) but otherwise it was wrestling perfection. Rather, sports-entertainment perfection. And that's good enough for me.

Five stars in my book, easy.

molson · 03-31-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

Wrestlemania really has become just a spectacle and not much else. Other than Flair's match, nothing is settled, nothing is changed, nobody is elevated and there'll be a rematch of every important match by tomorrow or the next PPV.

They've done to death the "rising babyface star wins his first world title at Mania" over the last few years, to me it was kind of nice to give that a rest. And there wasn't really any great candidates for that spot this year.

Mota · 03-31-2008, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I just think it's an internet wrestling "hipster" thing. People think they're cool by disliking him, because they perceive Cena as being shoved down their throat, when in reality, he actually deserves to be. He has the most charisma since the Rock, imo. On the mic, there's currently no one better in the WWE (other than the old stand-bys like HH, HBK, Flair, and maybe Kennedy).

You're kidding, right? The whole reason that the crowd hates him so much is because of his LOUSY mic work and terrible gimmick, all the while he was being pushed to the moon.

I mean, for 1-2 years all he did as a face was come out, do some cheesy rap about sexual organs / farts / being gay, and then would win the match. That's great for my 4 year old son who just loves fart jokes, but for the 18-30 year old male demographic that's booing, we come to expect more from a wrestler than that.

Sure, he's abandoned that gimmick (and then took on an equally cheesy patriot gimmick ... SALUTE!) but I think the only thing that could wipe that from people's minds is a full heel turn. Everybody but 13 year old girls are booing him anyways so why not do it?

Schmidty · 03-31-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mota

You're kidding, right? The whole reason that the crowd hates him so much is because of his LOUSY mic work and terrible gimmick, all the while he was being pushed to the moon.

I don't think we're watching the same Cena, because I totally and utterly disagree. Maybe I'm not cool enough, and should spend more time on wrestling messageboards so that I can "learn" what is good and bad. Until then, I'll judge for myself.

I will say one thing: Turning him heel would be a great idea. I think all of the enlightened experts in the crowd booing him would be so confused, that their heads would explode.

SirFozzie · 03-31-2008, 08:13 AM

35 people had minor injuries due to a fireworks accident at the end of the show:

http://www.wftv.com/news/15748647/detail.html

JonInMiddleGA · 03-31-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mota

You're kidding, right? The whole reason that the crowd hates him so much is because of his LOUSY mic work and terrible gimmick, all the while he was being pushed to the moon.

But that goes right back to my comment about HHH, who also had a lousy history, but maybe as someone pointed out today's crowds just have short memories.

Personally I see quite a bit of improvement over the admittedly horrendous early Cena. He's still not a guy I'd pay to see but he's not so bad now that he forces me to change the channel either.

molson · 03-31-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mota

You're kidding, right? The whole reason that the crowd hates him so much is because of his LOUSY mic work and terrible gimmick, all the while he was being pushed to the moon.

Have you seen his PPV main events over the last 18 months or so? He really has turned a corner. It started with his feud with Edge, when he was getting horrible fan reactions, and the obvious move would have been to turn him heel. And in reality, he WAS a heel at that time based on fan reaction. The boos were acknowledged and incorporated into his character. His character, despite what the internet will tell you, has continued to evolve over the years.

But after those great matches with Edge, Umaga, Michaels, etc, the crowd came back. Did you hear his pop at MSG at the Royal Rumble? It's no longer accurate that "everyone boos him except 12 year olds".

Maple Leafs · 03-31-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Did you hear his pop at MSG at the Royal Rumble?

That was such a bizarre moment -- the crowd popping huge until they remembered they're supposed to be cool and boo him.

Flasch186 · 03-31-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

That was such a bizarre moment -- the crowd popping huge until they remembered they're supposed to be cool and boo him.

I think he laughed at them too on that.

03-30-2008, 09:57 PM	#1651
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	WTF is Mayweather wearing? It looks like he's wearing Big Show's trunks. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-30-2008, 10:03 PM	#1654
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	The manager "he can't be doing dat" is classic stuff ... although I'm not entirely sure how much of it is unintentional comedy. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-30-2008, 10:05 PM	#1657
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	"We out"? Meanwhile my son just predicted Rey Rey as the interference. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-30-2008, 10:06 PM	#1658
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	That guy is like a cross between T-Lo & Julius Smokes. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-30-2008, 10:08 PM	#1659
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Chair shots + brass knucks equal KO for Mayweather. And now I scratch my head, wondering why you sacrifice a wrestler who was actually over with the crowd in order to give a one-off celebrity a win. Let's face it, the WWE doesn't exactly have all that many people who are really over right now, they might have actually been able to do something with Show for a while off this. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 03-30-2008 at 10:09 PM.

03-30-2008, 10:01 PM	#1652
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	It is crazy how tiny Mayweather looks compared to show. I love the fact Shows trying to break Floyds hands.

03-30-2008, 10:02 PM	#1653
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Floyds manager is so annoying. "You can't be doing that"

03-30-2008, 10:04 PM	#1655
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Floyd needs a new posse. Aren't posses supposed to help you when you're being killed?

03-30-2008, 10:04 PM	#1656
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	LOL "We out". This manager needs to get hired full time.

03-30-2008, 10:08 PM	#1660
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	That wasn't awful. It wasn't good but really it was entertaining at times.

03-30-2008, 10:10 PM	#1662
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	even on streaming, it's pretty clear that whiffed. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-30-2008, 10:16 PM	#1665
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	This entrance isn't failing to deliever at all. This is amazing.

03-30-2008, 10:23 PM	#1667
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	BTW Jon, I thought it actually prestaged a Undertaker LOSS in tonight's main event... "For every loss.. there is a BACKLASH". (IE, the UT loses tonight, rematch at Backlash) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-30-2008, 10:28 PM	#1670
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Thing I can't figure out with the Cena haters is why they wanted HHH over Cena. I mean, if the Cena hate is for a relatively limited moveset & a bad gimmick shouldn't there also be hate from the same contingent for Trips stroke being greater than his skill set? FTR, I'm reasonably neutral on Cena & don't have major hate for HHH either, just saying I'm not sure how one gets perceived better than the other. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-30-2008, 10:34 PM	#1672
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Am I the only person who feels like they're watching Smackdown right now? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-30-2008, 10:36 PM	#1673
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	yeah. Coach and Cole don't have that "OMG" to their voices.. that next level that Styles and Ross can do. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-30-2008, 10:37 PM	#1674
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	This should have been quite a bit down the card, they've even managed to kill the crowd. Classic bad card layout, all the emotion was early, the crowd is burned out at this point. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 03-30-2008 at 10:37 PM.

03-30-2008, 10:45 PM	#1676
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	One thing I've enjoyed tonight is the improved pickup by the in-ring mics. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-30-2008, 10:47 PM	#1677
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Took a while but now the crowd's back into. Also .. Charles Robinson can fly.

03-30-2008, 10:49 PM	#1678
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Hell yeah, The slayer of dragons, and the streak rolls on at WM!

03-30-2008, 10:55 PM	#1679
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Please tell me the Underloser didn't win a again........ __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

03-30-2008, 10:59 PM	#1683
Deattribution College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	Wrestlemania really has become just a spectacle and not much else. Other than Flair's match, nothing is settled, nothing is changed, nobody is elevated and there'll be a rematch of every important match by tomorrow or the next PPV.

03-30-2008, 11:01 PM	#1685
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	That's unfortunate. His time needs to come to an end. I am beyond tired of him. I'm not saying that others are dumb for liking him, but I just can't stand him. Never have. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

03-30-2008, 11:05 PM	#1687
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	The Undertaker rules.

03-30-2008, 11:16 PM	#1689
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	I knew in the back of my mind Edge would lose because, he had always escape the wrath of UT. All of Edge's associates had been put in UT's submission hold, which UT used to win. By watching the build-up to this match, I just knew UT winning was a can't miss, dead-on prediction.

03-30-2008, 11:24 PM	#1691
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Personally I thought the ME was awesome. Started slow but ended awesomely.

03-30-2008, 11:59 PM	#1692
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Just got back from the Nats home opener - never heard a crowd louder in my life than after Zim's walkoff -WOW. Anyway... First thing I did when I got home was turn on the DVR and FF to the Flair match. I've been a Flair mark for 30 years and knew this day would come. It has been kinda sad watching Flair in the ring for a few years now, but when he needs to bring it, he brings it. You gotta figure of all the people he could hand pick for his final match, it would've been Michaels, and tonight showed why. Just an amazing match from beginning to end absolutely overflowing with psychology, emotion, and history. Taken in a vacuum, as mentioned before, the match wasn't one of the best matches of all time by a long shot. But JimGA has is exactly right - in context it was amazing. That's what's so cool (to me anyway) about pro-wrestling. You take a physical event and it's multiplied in significance and impact by the ability of the wrestlers to tell a story. No one has ever been better at it than Ric Flair, and he told his life story in the ring tonight. My favorite moment was Flair coming off the top rope and finally connecting - how cool was that?!? Sean Michaels was the perfect opponent and it all came together on the biggest stage in wrestling history. I would have loved to see Arn Anderson somewhere close by (Blanchard and Dillon too for that matter - what a moment that would have been, the 4 Horsemen run out to save Flair's career and he waves them off?) but otherwise it was wrestling perfection. Rather, sports-entertainment perfection. And that's good enough for me. Five stars in my book, easy.

03-31-2008, 08:13 AM	#1696
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	35 people had minor injuries due to a fireworks accident at the end of the show: http://www.wftv.com/news/15748647/detail.html __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

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