Official 2010-11 College Basketball Thread

[Butter]

I heard Coach K was interested in the Mizzou job. It is the UCLA, UNC, and Duke of the Midwest after all.

[DataKing]

Elsewhere in the Big 12 (or whatever the conference will be calling itself):

Billy Gillispie has been hired as the new head coach at Texas Tech.

[JPhillips]

what better duke or duke of midwest?

[jbergey22]

Missouri doesnt want to set their expectations too low. They should atleast give Phil Jackson a call before settling for a Coach K or Roy Williams.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

what better duke or duke of midwest?

Duke of New York FTW, he's a bad mutha

[Marmel]

Bruce Pearl is also available.

[MrBug708]

What are the odds BJ Young sticks with Arkansas? UCLA needs a PG

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

What are the odds BJ Young sticks with Arkansas? UCLA needs a PG

Very good if Anderson stays at MU. Very poor if he goes to UA. Anderson is NOT a fan of Young.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Saw a funny little tidbit about the last time a basketball or football coach left Mizzou. Frank Broyles left MU for Arkansas. Broyles eventually fired Anderson's mentor. Mizzou ended up with Dan Devine.

[the_meanstrosity]

I've never been a big fan of Mike Anderson's system so I do think if Missouri loses him they are likely better off. I'm just not sure he can consistently get the athletic post players that are necessary to play in his system. Maybe at Arkansas he would have an easier sell. I don't know. I'm not sure who Missouri targets if they do lose Anderson. There are some quality openings right now so it will be a competitive market. I'm still not sure why certain Arkansas donors are so high on Anderson other than the history. I just don't think Anderson is the coach that Richardson was.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

I've never been a big fan of Mike Anderson's system so I do think if Missouri loses him they are likely better off. I'm just not sure he can consistently get the athletic post players that are necessary to play in his system. Maybe at Arkansas he would have an easier sell. I don't know. I'm not sure who Missouri targets if they do lose Anderson. There are some quality openings right now so it will be a competitive market. I'm still not sure why certain Arkansas donors are so high on Anderson other than the history. I just don't think Anderson is the coach that Richardson was.

There's plenty of things that would be appealing regarding Mizzou right now.

-Class of six seniors who will likely win more games over their four-year stint than any other class in Mizzou history. In addition, the incoming coach would be able to recruit 5-6 players for their style of play.

-Clean slate regarding any dirty laundry. The program is in MUCH better shape right now than it was when Anderson entered the mess MU b-ball was five years ago and MU fans have him to thank for it.

[MJ4H]

Per Dudley Dawson...

says he got a text from B.J. that said he's "excited" about Mike Anderson

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by molson

I just saw a good quote that summed this up:

"Most of the reports out of Arkansas say he's expected to take the Arkansas job while most of the reports out of Kansas City and St. Louis indicate he's expected to stay at Missouri."

We're just getting a sampling of it here, but the MJ4H/Mizzou B-ball fan dynamic includes has encompassed those entire areas. And both sides are positive they're right. And one side, I guess, by default, will indeed have to be "correct", but I don't think that will have anything to do with the "sources" involved. Anderson will go where he wants, probably to the highest bidder. If the numbers change in five minutes, he might change his mind. (though no matter what, there will be a lot of empowered internet sources on the "right" side will be cited as credible in the future, which is always a shame.)

I guess I have to disagree. As someone who came into this thread late, here is how I've seen it play out:

1) Rumors Anderson would accept Arkansas job if offered.

2) Mizzou fans slamming that. I mean slamming it. Acting as though it was a fact that Anderson wouldn't even look at Arkansas. That he wouldn't consider the job.

3) Mizzou fans screaming I'm right, I'm right, I TOLD YOU SO TWO DAYS AGO after it was reported the extension was agreed upon with Mizzou.

4) MJ4H saying that he wasn't so sure that was the case and that nothing was a done deal.

5) Mizzou fans yapping about how Anderson was just using Arkansas to get more money, that he still wasn't going anywhere and that the media was idiots AFTER what MJ4H said was essentially confirmed.

6) MJ4H reporting what other outlets have reported, that it's a done deal to Arkansas.

Pending #6, MJ4H has been dead on at every turn. When everyone in the media and in Missouri thought this was a done deal, he was saying he didn't think it was. That's a little more than good guess work at the time he said it. (it's easy to figure out now that it was never a done deal, because if it were Anderson would have squashed all of these talks the second he "agreed" to the new Missouri deal) MJ4H was saying that before any of that information came out.

Now the arguement is that MJ4H is just using a message board and that Mizzou b-ball fan is using sources within the athletic department so MJ4H is just going to get lucky with what he said?

I'm sorry. Mizzou's sources, the ones who said Arkansas was never in play were flat out wrong. If Nolan Richardson is to be believed, it was 50/50 as of this morning. That's far from a done deal and light years away from "wouldn't take the job no matter what"

As an outsider here, I'm going to say it isn't luck, it's better sources.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Very good if Anderson stays at MU. Very poor if he goes to UA. Anderson is NOT a fan of Young.

Lawrence Taylor's a fan of Young.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like MU is the one that got played. Anderson going to Arkansas. MU staff was just told.

Should make for an interesting coaching search for Mizzou.

[Thomkal]

I eagerly await the new thread detailing all the rumors that Anderson is going back to Missouri now that he is with Arkansas.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I eagerly await the new thread detailing all the rumors that Anderson is going back to Missouri now that he is with Arkansas.

Tyler Thigpen is the early favorite to get the job.

[Atocep]

The last several pages are somehow funnier now.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Tyler Thigpen is the early favorite to get the job.

Touche! LOL

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's plenty of things that would be appealing regarding Mizzou right now.

-Class of six seniors who will likely win more games over their four-year stint than any other class in Mizzou history. In addition, the incoming coach would be able to recruit 5-6 players for their style of play.

-Clean slate regarding any dirty laundry. The program is in MUCH better shape right now than it was when Anderson entered the mess MU b-ball was five years ago and MU fans have him to thank for it.

I think Missouri is a good job, but I also think Tennessee, NC State, and Oklahoma are good jobs. It will be interesting to see who goes where with all of these openings and young hot shot coaches. I think Missouri actually has a chance to upgrade their coaching position with Anderson leaving. And there aren't many times you can say that unless you're firing a coach.

[molson]

Originally Posted by TroyF

As an outsider here, I'm going to say it isn't luck, it's better sources.

But if Missouri gave up more money yesterday or today he would have stayed and the Missouri posters would be geniuses and the Arkansas sources would be morons. Everyone who proclaims "done deal" before a deal is done is premature (as you said, the Missouri sources who happened to do that this time are wrong). This occurs CONSTANTLY, I wish we could have a log of the proclaimed "done deals" just from the college threads here - they're right a fraction of the time, and I believe those are generally accidents. I don't believe the people actually negotiating with Anderson or making these decisions are generally taking 5 minutes breaks to run off to HogInsider.com or MissouriTigersforever.net to post everything that's happened. At BEST, it's superfans with an agenda who get a conversation here and there with someone in the athletic program and think they're "inside".

[dawgfan]

I am highly, highly amused at how this has all played out.

MBBF - might want to start re-thinking the reliability of your sources.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

I think Missouri is a good job, but I also think Tennessee, NC State, and Oklahoma are good jobs. It will be interesting to see who goes where with all of these openings and young hot shot coaches. I think Missouri actually has a chance to upgrade their coaching position with Anderson leaving. And there aren't many times you can say that unless you're firing a coach.

Obviously, there's some irritated Mizzou fans, but I find it hard to be frustrated. Anderson did his job and put Mizzou back in order. But he's not worth the numbers they've been throwing around. Some of the early names that are interested are pretty good coaches, so MU fans shouldn't sweat it quite yet.

With that said, it was clear from this year that Anderson can really struggle at times with a team who has players that aren't defense-oriented. Our guys were over-pursuing far too much and putting themselves way out of position at times. It was fine when you had Tiller, Taylor, and Ramsey, but a disaster when you don't have those guys available.

I do hope that the rivalry is renewed. It was silly for Arkansas to end it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I am highly, highly amused at how this has all played out.

MBBF - might want to start re-thinking the reliability of your sources.

There's nothing unreliable about them. They were giving information direct from the negotiations. The sources weren't unreliable, but the information being given to them was unreliable.

But it certainly makes for a better FOFC folly when that happens.

[JPhillips]

To be fair, if you weigh things properly Anderson is still coaching at MU.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's nothing unreliable about them.

You can't rely on them to know what happened. That's the definition of unreliable.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's nothing unreliable about them. They were giving information direct from the negotiations. The sources weren't unreliable, but the information being given to them was unreliable.

But it certainly makes for a better FOFC folly when that happens.

Not to quibble, but what you are describing fits the description "unreliable sources". The information they were passing along was not reliable. I get that they were highly placed people, and they were passing along what they were told, but they weren't close enough to the situation to get the true story.

There may well have been people that were getting the true story from Anderson and Anderson's agent, but the people you were citing obviously weren't among those people.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Not to quibble, but what you are describing fits the description "unreliable sources". The information they were passing along was not reliable. I get that they were highly placed people, and they were passing along what they were told, but they weren't close enough to the situation to get the true story.

There may well have been people that were getting the true story from Anderson and Anderson's agent, but the people you were citing obviously weren't among those people.

Fair enough. I'll stamp your quibble as valid.

Still a bit crazy in Columbia at this point. MU players say they have not heard any word. Really odd.

[digamma]

Tip: your "reporting" would go over much better if you just admitted you are pulling stuff of an insider message board rather than relying on "high placed" alumni.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by digamma

Tip: your "reporting" would go over much better if you just admitted you are pulling stuff of an insider message board rather than relying on "high placed" alumni.

Tip: The people I've been talking with don't even know how to use a message board.

And if you have to know, the report that the players have not heard anything yet came from radio.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I heard Coach K was interested in the Mizzou job. It is the UCLA, UNC, and Duke of the Midwest after all.

I wouldn't necessarily close the door on John Wooden. Sure, there's some issues there on the surface, but nothing that can't be worked around for the right situation.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's nothing unreliable about them. They were giving information direct from the negotiations. The sources weren't unreliable, but the information being given to them was unreliable.

But it certainly makes for a better FOFC folly when that happens.

Maybe they should have just read the message boards to have a better handle on the situation?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Lots of Purdue being mentioned in the fallout. Matt Painter is underpaid and is likely to be approached by Mizzou. Doubt he'll be interested in moving, but it's definitely going to cost Purdue if they want to keep him (probably justified).

Cuonzo Martin is also being mentioned.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Sounds like Phil Pressey will be transferring to Arkansas. Probably best for Mizzou, as the relationship between Phil and his teammates was a big reason for lack of team cohesion. He's a talented kid, but didn't fit real well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I eagerly await the new thread detailing all the rumors that Anderson is going back to Missouri now that he is with Arkansas.

Damn, I got sidetracked from this thread for a while. I was planning to break that story myself

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Lots of Purdue being mentioned in the fallout. Matt Painter is underpaid and is likely to be approached by Mizzou. Doubt he'll be interested in moving, but it's definitely going to cost Purdue if they want to keep him (probably justified).

Painter could very well leverage interest into a better deal for himself, but at the end of the day I'd be surprised if he left his alma mater.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Somewhere in all this "only a message board" stuff it seems worth noting that both the media & several Vol boards knew that Houston Fancher was being named interim coach several hours before he was told himself. Granted, that probably says more about the incompetence in the UT athletic department than anything else but still.

In this day & age, message boards can sometimes be at least as connected & at least as credible on a random topic as much of the mainstream media, seemingly nowhere more so than in the sports realm. The more educated & more affluent you are (At least up to a certain point), the more likely you are to be online active and the more likely you are to have some random bit of information outside your daily realm just from various contacts you've made. The boards are filled with speculation, misinformation, etc. but that doesn't mean that real nuggets can't be mined from them at any given moment either.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Painter could very well leverage interest into a better deal for himself, but at the end of the day I'd be surprised if he left his alma mater.

Absolutely. But I think it's definitely worth the effort by Mizzou. MU has already demonstrated their willingness to pay $2M for a coach. If Purdue isn't willing to bump that pay, Mizzou has a chance.

I think the loyalty of Painter at Purdue makes Martin a really good hire if you want commitment from a good young coach. As long as Painter is at Purdue, MU's coaching job would be a great fit for Martin and he's already laid down recruiting ties in the area since he's been coaching in the state.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The boards are filled with speculation, misinformation, etc. but that doesn't mean that real nuggets can't be mined from them at any given moment either.

Bingo. Most of what you read on boards is purely speculative stuff from people with little to no connections to those making the decisions. But there are connected people that are willing to post info on boards, and it sounds like the people MJ4H cited were indeed connected, reliable sources.

[MJ4H]

Last year when I happened across the info I happened across through where my wife works, it let me know that there was someone on Hogville with a damn good inside source when that person posted exactly what I had found out, nearly word for word. That's how I know who to listen to on message boards. It isn't guesswork with this one poster.

[dawgfan]

Dola - since it looks like Randy Bennett is not going to take the Utah job, I'd think he'd be a guy that gets mentioned for the rest of the openings out there (Mizzou, Oklahoma, Tennessee, etc). Given his past as Romar's top assistant, I wonder if he might not be a pretty good fit for Mizzou and the roster there?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Anderson's meeting with the players at 7:00 tonight.

[Neuqua]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I heard Mike Anderson once missed a game because he got stuck at a mall trying to pick Coke or Pepsi at a taste test.

Dang Pumpy.

[MizzouRah]

I still don't understand why coaches have contracts.. anyhow, now we can start talking about coach hiring rumors.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Whooooo, think the players are just a bit miffed??????

Team meeting set for 7 p.m. as Anderson arrives back in Columbia | Campus Corner

"I know nothing," one player said, even in the face of growing speculation that Anderson had already accepted a $2.2 million per season, seven-year contract offer from Arkansas.

Another player noted that: "I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it. Won't be surprised or upset if he leaves."

[molson]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Bingo. Most of what you read on boards is purely speculative stuff from people with little to no connections to those making the decisions. But there are connected people that are willing to post info on boards, and it sounds like the people MJ4H cited were indeed connected, reliable sources.

It's a false assumption that someone who repeats a media report that turned out to be correct is necessarily "connected". This is how this stuff repeats itself. "This guy who was DEAD RIGHT about Anderson now says X, so he must be right again."

And even if there are legitimate people involved in negotiations who are committing fireable offensives by running off and talking shop on the internet (for whatever reason), those people have to protect their anonymity, and from anonymity comes unreliability - they'll say what's in the personal and program's interest to say.

The other category, I think the most vocal, is the donors who the athletic departments try to make feel as important as possible. They're selling them a special feeling of being an "insider" for cash. Sure, there's all kinds of corrupt stuff going on, and donors who pay enough can have real influence. But I don't think they're reliable source for real, "done deal" kind of info exactly because of that paid-for "insider relationship" that they purchase. It's automatically going to be second or third hand, and the information that goes through those hands is always going to have an agenda.

Check out that conference movement thread. Everything is wrong. If you really dig, can you find a correct prediction? I guess. If it's possible to find the needle in the haystack of that garbage, I don't think many people have figured out how to do it. Because presumably, what we get here, is actually the FILTERED version of these insider websites, ONLY the stuff that has already been deemed reliable by someone. And the track record of even the filtered stuff is awful.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by molson

And even if there are legitimate people involved in negotiations who are committing fireable offensives by running off and talking shop

I can guarantee that this is not an "if". I'm amazed by what I've heard here, no worse than 2nd hand from people with relationships that I'm confident about, about various things at UGA. Various programs probably leak more or less than others but it's not all that hard for people in a college town to know someone that will talk ... and I'm someone pretty well known for being a UGAg hater.

If you're wondering, it's amazing how many people who work in either athletics or administration have kids at the same school as my kid. FTR however, I've never heard anything from my across the street neighbor (who I've named here more than once) didn't want anyone putting 2+2 together & getting the wrong answer.

[molson]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I can guarantee that this is not an "if". I'm amazed by what I've heard here, no worse than 2nd hand from people with relationships that I'm confident about, about various things at UGA. Various programs probably leak more or less than others but it's not all that hard for people in a college town to know someone that will talk ... and I'm someone pretty well known for being a UGAg hater.

If you're wondering, it's amazing how many people who work in either athletics or administration have kids at the same school as my kid. FTR however, I've never heard anything from my across the street neighbor (who I've named here more than once) didn't want anyone putting 2+2 together & getting the wrong answer.

Maybe I'm just overestimating people. It seems like a crazy activity to me. A lot of us have jobs where you learn info that might be of interest to the general public, and couldn't possibly imagine spilling your company's/governments secrets just to feel cool on the internet. I just think so little of "leakers". They're unethical, dishonest people to begin with, and these are the "reliable sources".

[Warhammer]

I've got some crow, who gets it? I heard its good eatin' with deep fried...

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by molson

Maybe I'm just overestimating people. It seems like a crazy activity to me. A lot of us have jobs where you learn info that might be of interest to the general public, and couldn't possibly imagine spilling your company's/governments secrets just to feel cool on the internet. I just think so little of "leakers". They're unethical, dishonest people to begin with, and these are the "reliable sources".

Most leaks don't come from people within the athletic department, but rather the boosters that invest millions into the program so that they can know what's going on at all times. These are the people that typically talk to friends, ect about what's being discussed and what deals are in the works.

I'm not justifying it in any way. Just stating what I've seen.