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Old 10-29-2006, 08:54 PM   #1701
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SO you're claiming seer now?

snDvls comes out and says his team cut him off. That is what I'm questioning. All I know is that a hell of a lot of confusion is being tossed around here at the end, and stars is going to pay for it if they are hasty.

I don't know what you're worried about. I'm getting lynched.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:54 PM   #1702
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SO you're claiming seer now?

snDvls comes out and says his team cut him off. That is what I'm questioning. All I know is that a hell of a lot of confusion is being tossed around here at the end, and stars is going to pay for it if they are hasty.

I don't like this post at all.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:54 PM   #1703
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Glen, Spleen, and MrW seem to be the three zombies in my opinion, but i dont want to take my vote off of spleen because of the discussion we had earlier and the fact i think he is trying to hard.

Well I disagree with your assessment of zombiehood, well at least my portion of it. You can bet I'll be scanned tonight. And it is about damned time.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:56 PM   #1704
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SO you're claiming seer now?

snDvls comes out and says his team cut him off. That is what I'm questioning. All I know is that a hell of a lot of confusion is being tossed around here at the end, and stars is going to pay for it if they are hasty.

I'm not claiming anything other than vanilla STARS. I'm just stating it is my opinion that you aren't STARS.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:56 PM   #1705
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I don't like this post at all.

Hey it seems off to me. They cut him off? I'm just questioning it.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:58 PM   #1706
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So, you're voting for me because I called you a dumbass for calling me sexist?

I never called you sexist. I said you had no proof to vote for me and the only thing setting me apart from the rest of the UTR people was the fact i had boobs. You interpretted it to be me calling you sexist.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:58 PM   #1707
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Hey it seems off to me. They cut him off? I'm just questioning it.

The part I didn't like was you saying that there was a lot of confusion being thrown around. Before my reveal, it was all confusion, now it should be more clear.

Why would you think it was more confusing? Once I am dead you can verify that I was telling the truth. Would you rather I died tonight with my info?
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:59 PM   #1708
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I also just realized that we aren't like three minutes from deadline.

So I can slow down and catch my breath a bit. With my name being thrown around so much, I wanted to avoid a couple of votes moving at the wire because I wasn't responding.

I just now realized that the vote ws lopsided toward Spleen.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:59 PM   #1709
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Hey it seems off to me. They cut him off? I'm just questioning it.

And I don't buy that they cut him off. Just a way for him to not give us any more info tonight. I don't think they hold anything that would help with this lynch anyway. If they did, then they are giving the game to the zombies.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:00 PM   #1710
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I'm going to flip to Glen here. Glen, I'll see if I can pull up posts after this so you can respond over the next hour leading up to deadline.

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Old 10-29-2006, 09:00 PM   #1711
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I also just realized that we aren't like three minutes from deadline.

So I can slow down and catch my breath a bit. With my name being thrown around so much, I wanted to avoid a couple of votes moving at the wire because I wasn't responding.

I just now realized that the vote ws lopsided toward Spleen.

Why shouldn't we vote for you? I don't recall you ever claiming a side.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:02 PM   #1712
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Has anyone not voted?
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:02 PM   #1713
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The part I didn't like was you saying that there was a lot of confusion being thrown around. Before my reveal, it was all confusion, now it should be more clear.

Why would you think it was more confusing? Once I am dead you can verify that I was telling the truth. Would you rather I died tonight with my info?

OK OK.

Now that I have an hour I'm more comfortable.

The confusion was around snDvls reveal, and then subsequent claim he had been "cutoff".

I'd never even considered such a thing, and frankly don't see a reason for it. It didn't pass my sniff test, so I threw it out there.

I do see now that you have actually cleared him, and are positively the stars IAD. Earlier I was cught up in the speculation that you were Umbrella moving the vote off of a team mate.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:02 PM   #1714
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And I don't buy that they cut him off. Just a way for him to not give us any more info tonight. I don't think they hold anything that would help with this lynch anyway. If they did, then they are giving the game to the zombies.

they were pretty pissed off I came out so quick and gave up Alan's name. so yes I got cut off. you see umbrella doesn't win if just the zombies are eliminated. When I came out the swell had turned from me to spleen. I have umbrella vicotory conditions so that is what pissed them off. They wanted me to take one for the team, but I was trying to save my own butt tonight. but it looks like unless the zombies take me out I'll be here until the end anyhow.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:03 PM   #1715
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1 more hour to lynch, guys. Daylight Savings Time, you know.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:04 PM   #1716
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1 more hour to lynch, guys. Daylight Savings Time, you know.

all you clock movers
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:04 PM   #1717
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I'll say it AGAIN! If you are STARS, a vote for me is a very bad thing!
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:04 PM   #1718
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Has anyone not voted?

I don't think so.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:04 PM   #1719
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Voting patterns, Day Four

(1387) AlanT votes hoopsguy (1)
(1400) spleen votes LSG (1)
(1417) LSG votes SnDvls (1)
(1448) LSG UNVOTES SnDvls (0)***
(1448) LSG votes spleen (1)
(1464) BrianD votes LSG (2)
(1469) hoopsguy votes spleen (2)
(1484) AlanT UNVOTES hoopsguy (0)***
(1484) AlanT votes SnDvls (1)
(1488) MrW votes LSG (3)
(1491) Chief Rum votes SnDvls (2)
(1497) spleen UNVOTES LSG (2)***
(1497) spleen votes SnDvls (3)
(1510) BrianD UNVOTES LSG (1)***
(1510) BrianD votes spleen (3)
(1513) Glengoyne votes SnDvls (4)
(1520) AlanT UNVOTES SnDvls (3)***
(1520) AlanT votes Glengoyne (1)
(1528) path votes spleen (4)
(1543) spleen UNVOTES SnDvls (2)***
(1543) spleen votes Glengoyne (2)
(1586) Chief Rum UNVOTES SnDvls (1)***
(1590) Dodgerchick votes AlanT (1)
(1616) Glengoyne UNVOTES SnDvls (0)***
(1616) Glengoyne votes spleen (5)
(1622) SnDvls votes spleen (6)
(1668) Chief Rum votes Glengoyne (3)
(1673) Fouts votes spleen (7)
(1689) SnDvls UNVOTES spleen (6)
(1689) SnDvls votes Glengoyne (4)
(1710) hoopsguy UNVOTES spleen (5)***
(1710) hoopsguy votes Glengoyne (5)

I see Alan already posted, but I started to do the work, so I finished. I also have hoops' switch.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:05 PM   #1720
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Why shouldn't we vote for you? I don't recall you ever claiming a side.

I've certainly claimed STARS. I haven't claimed any role, but I've certainly claimed stars.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:06 PM   #1721
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I've certainly claimed STARS. I haven't claimed any role, but I've certainly claimed stars.

So, which is it, Mr. Zombie? STARS or stars?
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:07 PM   #1722
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Spleen, what was the "strategy" that you alluded to on Day 2? Have you followed it?
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:08 PM   #1723
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So, which is it, Mr. Zombie? STARS or stars?

Nice. This is a stretch.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:08 PM   #1724
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Glen, if you have a STARS role it might be worth coming forward with it so we can evaluate that information as part of our decision.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:08 PM   #1725
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they were pretty pissed off I came out so quick and gave up Alan's name. so yes I got cut off.

Assuming this is true my first thought is: wow, hoops and alan on the same team? I wouldn't have thought that at all the way they've been at each other.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:10 PM   #1726
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Spleen, what was the "strategy" that you alluded to on Day 2? Have you followed it?

I abandoned it on Day 2. I was picking a person each day to follow, hoping they were the PC. I followed Alan on Day 1, thinking it was him. Then, on day 2, I had a strong feeling that Alan was not STARS after I saw flaws in his theory concerning st. cronin. So, I abandoned it and voted for him that day.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:15 PM   #1727
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Assuming this is true my first thought is: wow, hoops and alan on the same team? I wouldn't have thought that at all the way they've been at each other.

We dont know that hoops is on stars. according to fouts he is just not zombie
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:15 PM   #1728
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I abandoned it on Day 2. I was picking a person each day to follow, hoping they were the PC. I followed Alan on Day 1, thinking it was him. Then, on day 2, I had a strong feeling that Alan was not STARS after I saw flaws in his theory concerning st. cronin. So, I abandoned it and voted for him that day.

So you didn't like Alan's theory so much that the next day you helped to kill Cronin?
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:15 PM   #1729
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I abandoned it on Day 2. I was picking a person each day to follow, hoping they were the PC. I followed Alan on Day 1, thinking it was him. Then, on day 2, I had a strong feeling that Alan was not STARS after I saw flaws in his theory concerning st. cronin. So, I abandoned it and voted for him that day.

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I learned in your game that things are never as they seem. I want to vote for you based on the fact that I thik your theory is bunk. You're pushing for it a great deal and that is a red flag for me. I'm not going to let that influence how I vote though. I am going to wait on that.

I decided on a strategy to follow in the early game yesterday and I am going to stick to it for now. It didn't work out with bullet being a good guy, but it narrows down my choices for today. I just need to see how things develop today.

You only had one more post on Day 2, and that was when you voted for Alan. I ran a list of your Day 2 posts in Post #1453. Your vote post was Post #564.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:16 PM   #1730
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Allright
All I have done is play a simple villager game. Trying to identify who is who.

Early on I was happy to vote bullet, as he wasn't here, and I didn't have a feel for anything.

Day two I was leaning to belive Alan as Umbrella. I agreed with Cronin and others were making sense. snDvls does his drive by and I made a solid first vote for him.

Day three I came in looking to follow Hoops and Cronin. Hoops got flipped or flipped onto Cronin, and another stars bought it. I didnt' vote for him, because I believed him to be stars, just a "gut" thing.

That brings us to today.

I vote snDvls to put some pressure on him, and then the information avalanche of reveals and posts and accusations as I log in to see what is up.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:16 PM   #1731
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Gah, I want to vote for both of these guys.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:18 PM   #1732
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Current vote tally of Post #1726:

Spleen (5)-- LSG (1448), BrianD (1510), path (1528), Glengoyne (1616), Fouts (1673)
Glengoyne (5)-- AlanT (1520), spleen (1543), Chief Rum (1668), SnDvls (1689), hoopsguy (1710)
LoneStarGirl (1)-- MrWednesday (1488)
AlanT (1)-- Dodgerchick (1593)
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:19 PM   #1733
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We need to make sure we don't end up with a tie. We've got to learn something from tonight.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:19 PM   #1734
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Glen, if you have a STARS role it might be worth coming forward with it so we can evaluate that information as part of our decision.

Nope No Role. I was thinking that was clear, but I guess in rereading my post it wasn't.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:19 PM   #1735
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Spleen, I'm going to be really bummed if you do prove to be vanila STARS. But your style of play changed dramatically from last game, your voting record is terrible, and I just do not trust you at this point.

UNVOTE GLENGOYNE
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:20 PM   #1736
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So we're tied people. DC may be catching up (I hope).
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:21 PM   #1737
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Gah, I want to vote for both of these guys.

LOL me too!
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:22 PM   #1738
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Spleen, I'm going to be really bummed if you do prove to be vanila STARS. But your style of play changed dramatically from last game, your voting record is terrible, and I just do not trust you at this point.

UNVOTE GLENGOYNE
VOTE SPLEEN

All I can say is you're going to be sorry that you voted for me. Prepared to be really bummed.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:22 PM   #1739
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You only had one more post on Day 2, and that was when you voted for Alan. I ran a list of your Day 2 posts in Post #1453. Your vote post was Post #564.

I don't get what you are telling me here. Please spell it out for me.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:25 PM   #1740
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We need to make sure we don't end up with a tie. We've got to learn something from tonight.

DC is still to vote I think once she catches up. I'm hoping Hoops will evaluate me point blank and change his vote.

I'll take the examination Hoops, or anyone for that matter. Ask away.


I'd prefer the seer scan in the morning to a lynch post mortem tonight, and all I can think of doing now is to come as clean as possible.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:25 PM   #1741
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Alan, I'm trying to understand Spleen as a candidate for my vote today.

He could have found your theory to be bunk because of potential impact on Fouts, not on Cronin.

Who would have a good reason to be certain your theory was bunk on Day 2? Well, Police Chief would be one. Someone who had scanned one of the two parties and knew their faction? But he was faulting your theory before Chubby sent PMs (post #423).

Spleen is not the Chief - there would have been an opportunity for him to turn the Day 3 vote when he put his in if he came out loudly.

I'm of a strong suspicion that he is not a vanilla STARS. There is a drastic change in his style of play. He has alluded to a "strategy" that there is no vision of executing. He is calling out UTR players when he has been more UTR than most (based on posts and change in style of play). If I was voting right now, he would have my vote.

This post here keeps my vote on spleen.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:25 PM   #1742
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Sure, you say that you abandoned your strategy in Day 2. But the post I quoted shows you were still executing your strategy on Day 2. There was never any mention of giving up on said strategy in your posts - only the opposite idea that you were following your strategy (as I bolded).
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:27 PM   #1743
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DC is still to vote I think once she catches up. I'm hoping Hoops will evaluate me point blank and change his vote.

I'll take the examination Hoops, or anyone for that matter. Ask away.


I'd prefer the seer scan in the morning to a lynch post mortem tonight, and all I can think of doing now is to come as clean as possible.

Hoops already changed his vote, although he wants to vote for both you and spleen (can't say I blame him).

DC already has a vote in on AlanT. Hope that doesn't stay there, but who knows.

MrW was here earlier today and made a vote that made a little sense then, but he hasn't been back since. I think he might have said he wouldn't be able to be on much, so that could be key.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:29 PM   #1744
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Sure, you say that you abandoned your strategy in Day 2. But the post I quoted shows you were still executing your strategy on Day 2. There was never any mention of giving up on said strategy in your posts - only the opposite idea that you were following your strategy (as I bolded).

I get what you are saying. In the end, I decided to end my strategy and vote for him anyway.

You guys need a zombie today. Not me.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:31 PM   #1745
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Current vote tally of Post #1726:

Spleen (5)-- LSG (1448), BrianD (1510), path (1528), Glengoyne (1616), Fouts (1673)
Glengoyne (5)-- AlanT (1520), spleen (1543), Chief Rum (1668), SnDvls (1689), hoopsguy (1710)
LoneStarGirl (1)-- MrWednesday (1488)
AlanT (1)-- Dodgerchick (1593)

Almost here... damn, if it's not my daughter, it's my son. I need to have Antmeister watch them while I play WW
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:35 PM   #1746
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Spleen, if you are vanilla STARS you have had lousy luck this game.
Day 1 - Bullet (dead, cleared)
Day 2 - Alan (pseudo-cleared)
Day 3 - Cronin (dead cleared)
Day 4 - LSG (pseudo-cleared), SnDvls (admitted Umbrella)

Vote records alone are not a perfect indicator, but yours is about as bad as it gets at the moment.

Okay, I glanced at as much as I could, based on what you guys suggested. Based on this, I have to...

unvote AlanT
Vote spleen


Spleen, my apologies in advance if chose incorrectly.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:38 PM   #1747
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Oh well. It was a good game. I guess this is what I get for watching this time instead of talking.

Good luck to STARS. You're going to need it because now you guys are even more behind.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:38 PM   #1748
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Based on hoops's quote I mean. I voted for spleen based on the voting record. If I learned anything at all from previous games, it's that voting records mean a lot.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:42 PM   #1749
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I'm keeping the page fresh to see if anyone has any questions for me. I'm also looking back to see what happened to get me put in the spotlight.

Not going anywhere.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:42 PM   #1750
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Glen, here is some post info from you today - don't have enough time to do a full-game recap.

Post #1413: musing on BrianD's "UTR/Infector" theory, position Alan as Umbrella. Sure, this makes sense for awhile, until everyone checks in today ...

Post #1513: talks about SnDvls votes on Day2/3. Says again he thinks Alan is Umbrella, but why still have this view when everyone has checked in and no one has called out Alan's loyalties? Has me as possible Umbrella, except I played a role in driving vote at Lathum on Day 2. I could see thinking I was Zombie, but Umbrella??? Then tempted to come back to Alan and I, worried that we have been preventing CoT. Some mumbling about Occam's Razor - just a very convoluted post.

Post #1523 - nothing all that odd, kind of concede points I make about Alan while reserving your right to distrust us

Post #1616 - suggest you will take closer look at Fouts' reveal, posting activity, etc. Has there been any review? Back of SnDvls vote (3 straight days) to move vote to Spleen

Post #1644 - talks about initial SnDvls vote. Nothing that odd here, I don't think.

Post #1679 - asked why he moved off of SnDvls right before SnDvls reveal by BrianD, responds that it was because of Fouts' reveal

Post #1685 - says he would keep vote on SnDvls if not for self-preservation (huh?)

Post #1692 - wants to address questions about him, still sort of regretting moving off of SnDvls


Your early thoughts were all pretty much wrong based on seer views. Later, you lament wishing you could keep your vote on SnDvls, even though it seems widely accepted that he is Umbrella. I'm having a hard time understanding your thought process this game.
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