Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, when I laid out the plan I was not demanding that everyone go to visit the prostitutes in the designated district. Special roles probably have a better use for their powers, but the ordinary villagers are giving themselves a chance to be cleared by increasing their chances to find a prostitute.

As an added wrinkle, we could agree to go to the district with the opium den, in hopes that we are able to observe people going/coming from there if that is how they would rather spend their money.

I'm not married to this idea, but I do think there are more positives than negatives associated with it. What I don't want to see happen is that someone bypasses the selected district, lives through the night, and claims on Day 5 that they are an ordinary Londoner.

Hoops, the problem with going to the opium den is not everyone is seen. I went there and I wasn't seen, nor did I see anyone. There's a better chance of being seen, I think, if we visit a prostitute instead.

Just my opinion.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Here's the thing. Several players I consider smart, at the moment path and cronin, but I think hoops has said the same thing, all can't figure out what good it is to keep the details secret when you have so obviously broadcast how important you are.

Much like mr. w couldnt answer the questions hoops wanted answered as it would have revealed my role, i cannot give you details of what i know as it would reveal at least 3 other roles. Im not willing to do that

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

If you want me to reveal, ill do it during day phase(if the circumstances dictate it)...were in a night phase and the bad guys can change their orders through tonight. I dont see a reason to give them more info...barkeep, you and cronin seem to be playing very similar games...maybe were looking in the wrong place for the masons

Right, except dubb has said I'm just a prostitute. The rules state that prostitutes are on the side of good, not masons. Are you suggesting I was converted? Or maybe, as I suggested in 1700, the reason we're playing a similar game at the moment is for other erasons?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Much like mr. w couldnt answer the questions hoops wanted answered as it would have revealed my role, i cannot give you details of what i know as it would reveal at least 3 other roles. Im not willing to do that

Give us your role at least. Telling that would shut me up as if you die that's all we learn anyway and would at least allow me to start to speculate about your reasons for playing the way you have.

[hoopsguy]

Are the remaining bad guys in such a good spot that they would give up night kills? The people with special roles would potentially be announcing themselves by not being in that district, but don't we feel good enough about our understandings of remaining people left in the game that we are going to be picking from a small pool already tomorrow?

If the bad guys forego kills tomorrow with the hope of having more targeted kills on Night 5 then we have bought ourselves a day, which is clearly good for London. My guess is that they won't be able to take Night 4 off without doing long-term damage to their chances of winning the game.

Heck, this plan may help keep you alive an extra day - something you seemed to think was impossible earlier.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Are the remaining bad guys in such a good spot that they would give up night kills? The people with special roles would potentially be announcing themselves by not being in that district, but don't we feel good enough about our understandings of remaining people left in the game that we are going to be picking from a small pool already tomorrow?

If the bad guys forego kills tomorrow with the hope of having more targeted kills on Night 5 then we have bought ourselves a day, which is clearly good for London. My guess is that they won't be able to take Night 4 off without doing long-term damage to their chances of winning the game.

Heck, this plan may help keep you alive an extra day - something you seemed to think was impossible earlier.

I agree with all these points. I think Whitechapel, despite having the opium den, is not a good place for this plan, as that's where Moriarty is most likely to be.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Right, except dubb has said I'm just a prostitute. The rules state that prostitutes are on the side of good, not masons. Are you suggesting I was converted? Or maybe, as I suggested in 1700, the reason we're playing a similar game at the moment is for other erasons?

And mr. w(who is actually a confirmed good guy unlike dubb) says my role is on the side of good. The rules state the role i have is good, not a prostitute. Hell, i know of at least 4, count it 4, players alive who know my role.

As for masons, i assumed the masons had normal roles on top of being a mason..so for purposes of being a mason i dont think any role is exempt, including myself under that reasoning

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Give us your role at least. Telling that would shut me up as if you die that's all we learn anyway and would at least allow me to start to speculate about your reasons for playing the way you have.

Not during the night phase, im sorry...i can deal with you and your doubts, but i refuse to help the bad guy selection process.

[Barkeep49]

Blade you're suggesting you are either Holmes or Chief of Inspectors as near as I can figure out. Most likely Holmes. I haven't paid too much attention to these sort of clues, but presumably Moriarty has. Now why you have to keep so mum on helping us narrow in on Moriarty, only makes sense if we can't vote to lynch him, which I see no reason to believe. I'm willing to go with the idea that revealing during the night isn't optimal, but would suggest, in case I'm dead, that circumstances would almost certainly dictate a reveal tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Blade you're suggesting you are either Holmes or Chief of Inspectors as near as I can figure out. Most likely Holmes. I haven't paid too much attention to these sort of clues, but presumably Moriarty has. Now why you have to keep so mum on helping us narrow in on Moriarty, only makes sense if we can't vote to lynch him, which I see no reason to believe. I'm willing to go with the idea that revealing during the night isn't optimal, but would suggest, in case I'm dead, that circumstances would almost certainly dictate a reveal tomorrow.

Ive given you all the info you need, up front or not. Buts its all out there is some form or another, its just a matter of sifting through the fluff to find it. And theres a lot of fluff

[st.cronin]

The fact that Blade is not willing to reveal during the night makes it clear that he's a mason. If he's a mason, then whatever info he might need to reveal won't die with him.

[st.cronin]

dola

Now we just have to figure out what he's up to, and whose side he's on.

[Blade6119]

You caught me cronin...how did you ever figure it out? Despite the trust of every major role the good side has/has had, im not on the side of good. GO MASONS!!! WOOHOO!!!

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You caught me cronin...how did you ever figure it out? Despite the trust of every major role the good side has/has had, im not on the side of good. GO MASONS!!! WOOHOO!!!

Yes every major role, all one of them.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yes every major role, all one of them.

You are mistaken, but i suppose i should expect thusly from you

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You caught me cronin...how did you ever figure it out? Despite the trust of every major role the good side has/has had, im not on the side of good. GO MASONS!!! WOOHOO!!!

What major roles? Ok, Mr. Wednesday. He wasn't a seer, he was a watchman. He could easily have been misled about your role.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ti know i cant visit a prostitute, so id imagine the other roled players cant. Do you want to really make it that easy on the bad guys?

If that's the case, let's just find the folks who haven't visited a prostitute yet and lynch them.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What major roles? Ok, Mr. Wednesday. He wasn't a seer, he was a watchman. He could easily have been misled about your role.

I will only go so far during the night...i will not reveal my own, and you ask me to reveal the role of others? Come on cronin...

[path12]

And now I'm really out. Amateur ballet, here I come!

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I will only go so far during the night...i will not reveal my own, and you ask me to reveal the role of others? Come on cronin...

I will agree it's entirely possible for a player to find out another's role in this game without having any sort of seer ability.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

If that's the case, let's just find the folks who haven't visited a prostitute yet and lynch them.

That would be a bad idea if good roles cant visit prostitutes...im stunned at how everyone seems to wish the good roles all exposed and subsequently picked off.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

That would be a bad idea if good roles cant visit prostitutes...im stunned at how everyone seems to wish the good roles all exposed and subsequently picked off.

Well, there's only about four or five who haven't yet, right? As you've said, sometimes you've gotta break a few eggs.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, there's only about four or five who haven't yet, right? As you've said, sometimes you've gotta break a few eggs.

Saldana could bid on urchins, yet you assume bad guys can visit prostitutes?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Saldana could bid on urchins, yet you assume bad guys can visit prostitutes?

Dude, I'm responding to your assertion that roled players couldn't visit prostitutes. If you don't think that's the case, don't say it is. But either way, don't turn it into an assertion on my part.

[path12]

GF's not ready yet, so I've got a couple more minutes.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Dude, I'm responding to your assertion that roled players couldn't visit prostitutes. If you don't think that's the case, don't say it is. But either way, don't turn it into an assertion on my part.

Then i shall end this conversation, have a good day

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Saldana could bid on urchins, yet you assume bad guys can visit prostitutes?

I think you're right that bad guys can visit us whores.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Then i shall end this conversation, have a good day

You too.

[hoopsguy]

Narcizo, I hope that we are providing an amusing read for you.

[Barkeep49]

Ok with that discussion over, let's go back to the first discussion.

hoopsguy: So you thinking we're on for the whore hoarding? If so, what do you think of my comments about Whitehouse?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

I swear guys, I'm not blonde. I forgot there wasn't a night write-up and when I read saldana getting killed, for some reason I thought it was the morning action... disregard this comment :o

I'm down with the plan but... well, I'm not sure I should even share this because I already submitted my PM, but, what the heck... doesn't seem like I'm very trusted anyway. I submitted my PM and asked for a random location (first time I've done this; the other times I actually chose my districts).

Can I resubmit my PM and chose a location? Maybe I should have asked this question in a PM, but, oh well

In case this hasn't been addressed yet, I always take corrections as long as it is before deadline (and have taken several so far in this game). So anyone who thinks better of their original instructions is free to PM with new ones. I always go with the most recent PMs, and only refer to the older ones if I need more information about what that person wants to do that night.

Hope that clears things up.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think you're right that bad guys can visit us whores.

The question is what is the result, assuming they can, when they do?

I'm assuming we won't learn information about their faction, but the lack of that information is valuable as well.

For example - Path has visited me and Barkeep and neither of us have learned his faction. What happens when he has a 3rd visit and we still have not learned his faction? Do we start making assumptions about him based on this information?

Regardless of the result, we gain a data point to evaluate. And, unlike the opium den, the information is passed to another person (the prostitute) to interpret rather than allowing a person to present their own story.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I'm not sure I understand the basis for Moriarity being in Whitechapel. Second, I am not sure we are looking to avoid him - ideally we are looking to have a lot of people in the region to stack the risk/reward ratio against him. I think that is equally likely in any district.

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with wherever we want to gather (assuming we decide to go that route) but don't necessarily understand the concern about Whitechapel.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Narcizo, I hope that we are providing an amusing read for you.

I love giving lurkers shout-outs especially on a fun day such as this.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm fine with wherever we want to gather (assuming we decide to go that route) but don't necessarily understand the concern about Whitechapel.

We know from the rules descriptions that Whitehouse is Moriarty's base and well I would guess that perhaps he has extra abilities in that district that he might not have in others. That was my thinking. I'd rather stay away from known evil.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

For example - Path has visited me and Barkeep and neither of us have learned his faction. What happens when he has a 3rd visit and we still have not learned his faction? Do we start making assumptions about him based on this information?

Path is the one telling us to focus only on those who have yet to visit prostitutes, even if it costs all the roles we have left...

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'll play along - pick the district. But lets nail this down early enough so people can choose whether or not to follow us there ...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

We know from the rules descriptions that Whitehouse is Moriarty's base and well I would guess that perhaps he has extra abilities in that district that he might not have in others. That was my thinking. I'd rather stay away from known evil.

By the same token, might that not make it more likely for somebody to id him?

[Lorena]

Sounds like we're gonna have a MAJOR orgie

[Lorena]

/ooc

I'm doing a major backup on my files... I'm really surprised my computer hasn't gone kaputz... it's been making funky noises now for weeks.

[Lorena]

Dang, don't everyone leave at once... jeez. I feel like I just killed a pretty rockin' party

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

By the same token, might that not make it more likely for somebody to id him?

Maybe I'm being selfish here, but I don't want to die, though I do see your point.

[Lorena]

I have tons of drivers to download, so I'll be on for a few more minutes and then I probably won't be on 'til tomorrow. If I'm really lucky, I'll be on later tonight. But Daddy, it seems like you and I right now.

[Raiders Army]

I trust Blade. Right now, I think he should be the only one we should trust at this point. He's helped nab Lathum and saldana (for some reason, since they're friends in real life, I would've never have guessed they would both be baddies). Actions speak louder than words.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so are we just going to move to separate districts if we are adopting a "trust Blade" strategy? If we do that, we can provide maximum coverage by coordinating our zones - one person post a district and then the next prostitute follows with a different district. This should accomplish our goal of potentially clearing people while also allowing the roled players to feel like they can freely move between districts as needed, right? It also may provide more incentive for the bad guys to strike (and potentially be observed/blocked/whatever) if we are more distributed, for better or worse.

I'll go ahead and head to Whitechapel as indicated earlier. If someone wants to look me up, that is where you can find me.

[Barkeep49]

Well then I'll stay with my original order to go to Commercial.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- Though I do feel this to be the inferior strategy.

[Lorena]

Alright, well I have downloaded all my drivers and now Antmeister had the fun job of fixing the mess I made.

Since everyone seems to be going their own direction, I'll leave my PM as is. Hopefully someone else can vouch for me.

Gluck all.

[Blade6119]

im sorry if some of you dont like how i played the game but i played it how i thought was best...if im to die tonight, i hope you know ive done my best to help my side